Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

I was reading the August 2004 of "MotorTrend" magazine and was shocked
when I read about the "Saturn Vu AWD Red Line". Is a SUV. The article (on
page 120-121) clearly says that it comes from the factory with a Honda V6
engine. The Displacement is 211.8 / 3471.
They compared it in their tests to three other SUVs. It was the fastest of
the group but came in third place in the tests.

The next time someone invades this group and says that American made cars
are better than cars designed in Japan--I plan to ask them:
If Japanese cars and engines are so bad then how come Suturn places a
Honda engine in their SUV?

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Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <Jason-0408041544310001@pm4-broad-39.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>I was reading the August 2004 of "MotorTrend" magazine and was shocked
>when I read about the "Saturn Vu AWD Red Line". Is a SUV. The article (on
>page 120-121) clearly says that it comes from the factory with a Honda V6
>engine. The Displacement is 211.8 / 3471.
>They compared it in their tests to three other SUVs. It was the fastest of
>the group but came in third place in the tests.
>
>The next time someone invades this group and says that American made cars
>are better than cars designed in Japan--I plan to ask them:
>If Japanese cars and engines are so bad then how come Suturn places a
>Honda engine in their SUV?

Because GM and Honda both own a piece of Isuzu. Honda buys Isuzu diesels
for some of their other markets. Seen some of those white diesel Isuzu
cargo trucks that look just like white diesel GM cargo trucks?

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <Jason-0408041544310001@pm4-broad-39.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>I was reading the August 2004 of "MotorTrend" magazine and was shocked
>when I read about the "Saturn Vu AWD Red Line". Is a SUV. The article (on
>page 120-121) clearly says that it comes from the factory with a Honda V6
>engine. The Displacement is 211.8 / 3471.
>They compared it in their tests to three other SUVs. It was the fastest of
>the group but came in third place in the tests.
>
>The next time someone invades this group and says that American made cars
>are better than cars designed in Japan--I plan to ask them:
>If Japanese cars and engines are so bad then how come Suturn places a
>Honda engine in their SUV?

Because GM and Honda both own a piece of Isuzu. Honda buys Isuzu diesels
for some of their other markets. Seen some of those white diesel Isuzu
cargo trucks that look just like white diesel GM cargo trucks?

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <bkapaun-0408041715020001@dialup-ras15-232.eug.or.uspops.net>,
bkapaun@coldmail.com (Bill) wrote:

> In article <Jason-0408041544310001@pm4-broad-39.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >I was reading the August 2004 of "MotorTrend" magazine and was shocked
> >when I read about the "Saturn Vu AWD Red Line". Is a SUV. The article (on
> >page 120-121) clearly says that it comes from the factory with a Honda V6
> >engine. The Displacement is 211.8 / 3471.
> >They compared it in their tests to three other SUVs. It was the fastest of
> >the group but came in third place in the tests.
> >
> >The next time someone invades this group and says that American made cars
> >are better than cars designed in Japan--I plan to ask them:
> >If Japanese cars and engines are so bad then how come Suturn places a
> >Honda engine in their SUV?
>
> Because GM and Honda both own a piece of Isuzu. Honda buys Isuzu diesels
> for some of their other markets. Seen some of those white diesel Isuzu
> cargo trucks that look just like white diesel GM cargo trucks?

You are correct but I believe the real reason is because the top staff at
Saturn including the CEO knows that Honda makes better engines than any
division of GM. Those top level staff members could have placed engines
made by various divisions of GM or Isuzu in their Saturn SUV but they
chose Honda engines because they are superior to any engines made by any
division of GM or Isuzu.

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Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <bkapaun-0408041715020001@dialup-ras15-232.eug.or.uspops.net>,
bkapaun@coldmail.com (Bill) wrote:

> In article <Jason-0408041544310001@pm4-broad-39.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >I was reading the August 2004 of "MotorTrend" magazine and was shocked
> >when I read about the "Saturn Vu AWD Red Line". Is a SUV. The article (on
> >page 120-121) clearly says that it comes from the factory with a Honda V6
> >engine. The Displacement is 211.8 / 3471.
> >They compared it in their tests to three other SUVs. It was the fastest of
> >the group but came in third place in the tests.
> >
> >The next time someone invades this group and says that American made cars
> >are better than cars designed in Japan--I plan to ask them:
> >If Japanese cars and engines are so bad then how come Suturn places a
> >Honda engine in their SUV?
>
> Because GM and Honda both own a piece of Isuzu. Honda buys Isuzu diesels
> for some of their other markets. Seen some of those white diesel Isuzu
> cargo trucks that look just like white diesel GM cargo trucks?

You are correct but I believe the real reason is because the top staff at
Saturn including the CEO knows that Honda makes better engines than any
division of GM. Those top level staff members could have placed engines
made by various divisions of GM or Isuzu in their Saturn SUV but they
chose Honda engines because they are superior to any engines made by any
division of GM or Isuzu.

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Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

I believe I heard that it was cheaper for Saturn (GM) to buy the Honda
engines. Those V6's are made in the US, and many of GM's engines are made
in mexico now.

>
> You are correct but I believe the real reason is because the top staff at
> Saturn including the CEO knows that Honda makes better engines than any
> division of GM. Those top level staff members could have placed engines
> made by various divisions of GM or Isuzu in their Saturn SUV but they
> chose Honda engines because they are superior to any engines made by any
> division of GM or Isuzu.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

I believe I heard that it was cheaper for Saturn (GM) to buy the Honda
engines. Those V6's are made in the US, and many of GM's engines are made
in mexico now.

>
> You are correct but I believe the real reason is because the top staff at
> Saturn including the CEO knows that Honda makes better engines than any
> division of GM. Those top level staff members could have placed engines
> made by various divisions of GM or Isuzu in their Saturn SUV but they
> chose Honda engines because they are superior to any engines made by any
> division of GM or Isuzu.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

The real shame is that GM fails to put the Honda 3.5l engine in the new
Equinox. They put the corporate 3.4l POS engine in it. Less power (185 HP
vs. 250 HP), less torque ( 210 lb-ft vs. 242 lb-ft) and poorer reliability.
With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner. Why only the
Saturn Vue? The Equinox is actually built on the Vue platfrom in believe.

IMHO

Larry B.

Jason wrote:
> In article
> <bkapaun-0408041715020001@dialup-ras15-232.eug.or.uspops.net>,
> bkapaun@coldmail.com (Bill) wrote:
>
>> In article <Jason-0408041544310001@pm4-broad-39.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>>> I was reading the August 2004 of "MotorTrend" magazine and was
>>> shocked when I read about the "Saturn Vu AWD Red Line". Is a SUV.
>>> The article (on page 120-121) clearly says that it comes from the
>>> factory with a Honda V6 engine. The Displacement is 211.8 / 3471.
>>> They compared it in their tests to three other SUVs. It was the
>>> fastest of the group but came in third place in the tests.
>>>
>>> The next time someone invades this group and says that American
>>> made cars are better than cars designed in Japan--I plan to ask
>>> them:
>>> If Japanese cars and engines are so bad then how come Suturn places
>>> a Honda engine in their SUV?
>>
>> Because GM and Honda both own a piece of Isuzu. Honda buys Isuzu
>> diesels for some of their other markets. Seen some of those white
>> diesel Isuzu cargo trucks that look just like white diesel GM cargo
>> trucks?
>
> You are correct but I believe the real reason is because the top
> staff at Saturn including the CEO knows that Honda makes better
> engines than any division of GM. Those top level staff members could
> have placed engines made by various divisions of GM or Isuzu in their
> Saturn SUV but they chose Honda engines because they are superior to
> any engines made by any division of GM or Isuzu.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

The real shame is that GM fails to put the Honda 3.5l engine in the new
Equinox. They put the corporate 3.4l POS engine in it. Less power (185 HP
vs. 250 HP), less torque ( 210 lb-ft vs. 242 lb-ft) and poorer reliability.
With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner. Why only the
Saturn Vue? The Equinox is actually built on the Vue platfrom in believe.

IMHO

Larry B.

Jason wrote:
> In article
> <bkapaun-0408041715020001@dialup-ras15-232.eug.or.uspops.net>,
> bkapaun@coldmail.com (Bill) wrote:
>
>> In article <Jason-0408041544310001@pm4-broad-39.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
>> Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>>> I was reading the August 2004 of "MotorTrend" magazine and was
>>> shocked when I read about the "Saturn Vu AWD Red Line". Is a SUV.
>>> The article (on page 120-121) clearly says that it comes from the
>>> factory with a Honda V6 engine. The Displacement is 211.8 / 3471.
>>> They compared it in their tests to three other SUVs. It was the
>>> fastest of the group but came in third place in the tests.
>>>
>>> The next time someone invades this group and says that American
>>> made cars are better than cars designed in Japan--I plan to ask
>>> them:
>>> If Japanese cars and engines are so bad then how come Suturn places
>>> a Honda engine in their SUV?
>>
>> Because GM and Honda both own a piece of Isuzu. Honda buys Isuzu
>> diesels for some of their other markets. Seen some of those white
>> diesel Isuzu cargo trucks that look just like white diesel GM cargo
>> trucks?
>
> You are correct but I believe the real reason is because the top
> staff at Saturn including the CEO knows that Honda makes better
> engines than any division of GM. Those top level staff members could
> have placed engines made by various divisions of GM or Isuzu in their
> Saturn SUV but they chose Honda engines because they are superior to
> any engines made by any division of GM or Isuzu.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

"Larry B." wrote:
>
> With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.

Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5? After all, they'd probably not
want GM to have a Pilot competitor with a great engine in it...

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

"Larry B." wrote:
>
> With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.

Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5? After all, they'd probably not
want GM to have a Pilot competitor with a great engine in it...

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

Honda put up the lowest bid when Saturn went looking for a motor.

Money talks, ,and when someone can cut corners (ie not build thier own
motors) and profit from it, it was a better business decision.

Eightupman


"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> I was reading the August 2004 of "MotorTrend" magazine and was shocked
> when I read about the "Saturn Vu AWD Red Line". Is a SUV. The article (on
> page 120-121) clearly says that it comes from the factory with a Honda V6
> engine. The Displacement is 211.8 / 3471.
> They compared it in their tests to three other SUVs. It was the fastest of
> the group but came in third place in the tests.
>
> The next time someone invades this group and says that American made cars
> are better than cars designed in Japan--I plan to ask them:
> If Japanese cars and engines are so bad then how come Suturn places a
> Honda engine in their SUV?
>
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Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

Honda put up the lowest bid when Saturn went looking for a motor.

Money talks, ,and when someone can cut corners (ie not build thier own
motors) and profit from it, it was a better business decision.

Eightupman


"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> I was reading the August 2004 of "MotorTrend" magazine and was shocked
> when I read about the "Saturn Vu AWD Red Line". Is a SUV. The article (on
> page 120-121) clearly says that it comes from the factory with a Honda V6
> engine. The Displacement is 211.8 / 3471.
> They compared it in their tests to three other SUVs. It was the fastest of
> the group but came in third place in the tests.
>
> The next time someone invades this group and says that American made cars
> are better than cars designed in Japan--I plan to ask them:
> If Japanese cars and engines are so bad then how come Suturn places a
> Honda engine in their SUV?
>
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Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <4112C543.46C5BC59@junkmail.com>,
Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:

> > With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.
>
> Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?

They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.

(Interestingly enough, due to contractual obligations you won't find any
references to Honda or its engine anywhere in Saturn's promotional
material or documentation...)

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <4112C543.46C5BC59@junkmail.com>,
Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:

> > With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.
>
> Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?

They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.

(Interestingly enough, due to contractual obligations you won't find any
references to Honda or its engine anywhere in Saturn's promotional
material or documentation...)

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
> > Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?
>
> They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.

Right you are, didn't have my facts together.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
> > Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?
>
> They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.

Right you are, didn't have my facts together.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

Saw billboards in town, (Madison, WI) referring to the Saturn with the Honda
engine.

Hugh
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-ECDB78.23120005082004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4112C543.46C5BC59@junkmail.com>,
> Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.
> >
> > Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?
>
> They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.
>
> (Interestingly enough, due to contractual obligations you won't find any
> references to Honda or its engine anywhere in Saturn's promotional
> material or documentation...)
>

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

Saw billboards in town, (Madison, WI) referring to the Saturn with the Honda
engine.

Hugh
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-ECDB78.23120005082004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4112C543.46C5BC59@junkmail.com>,
> Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.
> >
> > Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?
>
> They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.
>
> (Interestingly enough, due to contractual obligations you won't find any
> references to Honda or its engine anywhere in Saturn's promotional
> material or documentation...)
>

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <10h67s4o8akaa2f@corp.supernews.com>,
"Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Saw billboards in town, (Madison, WI) referring to the Saturn with the Honda
> engine.
>
> Hugh
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-ECDB78.23120005082004@text.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <4112C543.46C5BC59@junkmail.com>,
> > Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.
> > >
> > > Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?
> >
> > They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.
> >
> > (Interestingly enough, due to contractual obligations you won't find any
> > references to Honda or its engine anywhere in Saturn's promotional
> > material or documentation...)
> >

GM can't say anything. Dealers, however, are independent businessmen.
They have no ties to GM corporate or Honda in that regard. They can say
whatever they want.

Smart dealer, frankly...

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <10h67s4o8akaa2f@corp.supernews.com>,
"Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Saw billboards in town, (Madison, WI) referring to the Saturn with the Honda
> engine.
>
> Hugh
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-ECDB78.23120005082004@text.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <4112C543.46C5BC59@junkmail.com>,
> > Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.
> > >
> > > Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?
> >
> > They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.
> >
> > (Interestingly enough, due to contractual obligations you won't find any
> > references to Honda or its engine anywhere in Saturn's promotional
> > material or documentation...)
> >

GM can't say anything. Dealers, however, are independent businessmen.
They have no ties to GM corporate or Honda in that regard. They can say
whatever they want.

Smart dealer, frankly...

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <npAQc.165793$wH4.9932584@twister.southeast.rr.com >,
"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:

> Honda put up the lowest bid when Saturn went looking for a motor.
>
> Money talks, ,and when someone can cut corners (ie not build thier own
> motors) and profit from it, it was a better business decision.
>
> Eightupman

Interesting post. What is the source of your information? The issue you
raised was not mentioned in the article that appeared in "Motor Trend"
magazine. It's hard to believe that Honda engines were cheaper to buy than
engines made by GM divisions. Certainly, GM would have given Saturn a
price cut since Saturn is actually owned by GM.

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Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <npAQc.165793$wH4.9932584@twister.southeast.rr.com >,
"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:

> Honda put up the lowest bid when Saturn went looking for a motor.
>
> Money talks, ,and when someone can cut corners (ie not build thier own
> motors) and profit from it, it was a better business decision.
>
> Eightupman

Interesting post. What is the source of your information? The issue you
raised was not mentioned in the article that appeared in "Motor Trend"
magazine. It's hard to believe that Honda engines were cheaper to buy than
engines made by GM divisions. Certainly, GM would have given Saturn a
price cut since Saturn is actually owned by GM.

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Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

I'm waiting to see a VUE with a "Powered by Honda" windshield banner.


"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <10h67s4o8akaa2f@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Saw billboards in town, (Madison, WI) referring to the Saturn with the Honda
>> engine.
>>
>> Hugh
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-ECDB78.23120005082004@text.usenetserver.com...
>> > In article <4112C543.46C5BC59@junkmail.com>,
>> > Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.
>> > >
>> > > Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?
>> >
>> > They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.
>> >
>> > (Interestingly enough, due to contractual obligations you won't find any
>> > references to Honda or its engine anywhere in Saturn's promotional
>> > material or documentation...)
>> >
>
>GM can't say anything. Dealers, however, are independent businessmen.
>They have no ties to GM corporate or Honda in that regard. They can say
>whatever they want.
>
>Smart dealer, frankly...

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

I'm waiting to see a VUE with a "Powered by Honda" windshield banner.


"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <10h67s4o8akaa2f@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Saw billboards in town, (Madison, WI) referring to the Saturn with the Honda
>> engine.
>>
>> Hugh
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-ECDB78.23120005082004@text.usenetserver.com...
>> > In article <4112C543.46C5BC59@junkmail.com>,
>> > Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > With the Honda engine, the Equinox would be a real winner.
>> > >
>> > > Perhaps Honda won't sell GM the 3.5?
>> >
>> > They already have. It's in the Saturn VUE.
>> >
>> > (Interestingly enough, due to contractual obligations you won't find any
>> > references to Honda or its engine anywhere in Saturn's promotional
>> > material or documentation...)
>> >
>
>GM can't say anything. Dealers, however, are independent businessmen.
>They have no ties to GM corporate or Honda in that regard. They can say
>whatever they want.
>
>Smart dealer, frankly...

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and as much
as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US jobmarket/economy.
Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the globe it
was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for the
engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity being
that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial owner
is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile) and probably is getting to the point
of selling off Saturn to Honda. Then Honda will have a much stronger
automotive force in the US. And then we can see Honda start to produce a
V-8 vehicle so it to can compete in NASCAR just like Toyota

But of course I am a conspriacy theorist and this is all pure
speculation....but what if??


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> In article <npAQc.165793$wH4.9932584@twister.southeast.rr.com >,
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Honda put up the lowest bid when Saturn went looking for a motor.
> >
> > Money talks, ,and when someone can cut corners (ie not build thier own
> > motors) and profit from it, it was a better business decision.
> >
> > Eightupman
>
> Interesting post. What is the source of your information? The issue you
> raised was not mentioned in the article that appeared in "Motor Trend"
> magazine. It's hard to believe that Honda engines were cheaper to buy than
> engines made by GM divisions. Certainly, GM would have given Saturn a
> price cut since Saturn is actually owned by GM.
>
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Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and as much
as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US jobmarket/economy.
Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the globe it
was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for the
engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity being
that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial owner
is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile) and probably is getting to the point
of selling off Saturn to Honda. Then Honda will have a much stronger
automotive force in the US. And then we can see Honda start to produce a
V-8 vehicle so it to can compete in NASCAR just like Toyota

But of course I am a conspriacy theorist and this is all pure
speculation....but what if??


"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Jason-0608041524500001@pm1-broad-118.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> In article <npAQc.165793$wH4.9932584@twister.southeast.rr.com >,
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Honda put up the lowest bid when Saturn went looking for a motor.
> >
> > Money talks, ,and when someone can cut corners (ie not build thier own
> > motors) and profit from it, it was a better business decision.
> >
> > Eightupman
>
> Interesting post. What is the source of your information? The issue you
> raised was not mentioned in the article that appeared in "Motor Trend"
> magazine. It's hard to believe that Honda engines were cheaper to buy than
> engines made by GM divisions. Certainly, GM would have given Saturn a
> price cut since Saturn is actually owned by GM.
>
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Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
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> Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and as
much
> as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US jobmarket/economy.
> Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the globe
it
> was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for the
> engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity
being
> that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial
owner
> is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile)

Lol....struggling?
Is *that* what you deduced from them finally getting rid of the Olds
division?

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
news:vQVQc.165965$wH4.10034766@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and as
much
> as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US jobmarket/economy.
> Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the globe
it
> was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for the
> engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity
being
> that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial
owner
> is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile)

Lol....struggling?
Is *that* what you deduced from them finally getting rid of the Olds
division?

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have preferred
them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three have
thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
countries. The other countries are smart and use the US immigrant laws
against us to our own demise. AND compared to where they come from, they
would LOVE to pump your gas, wash your windshied or otherwise get dirty to
provide us our creature comforts. Mexicans are taking over the skilled
trade jobs, electricians, builders etc becaue they will work for pennies an
hour and be happy to live in US squalor. You have Pakistanis taking over
every 7-11 and gas station in New Jersey, then the Japanese are taking over
industry. Do you realize that all a foriegn business owners have to do is
sign the company over back and forth to any of his kin to avoid some US
taxes?? (at least thats the way it is in NJ.) Tell me they are not playing
it smart.....they got our number and taking advantage and I wish I had it
figured out so I can take advantage of the American populous also.

So yes, "struggling" was a gross understatement.



"Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:wiYQc.88$NXg1.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
>
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> news:vQVQc.165965$wH4.10034766@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> > Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and as
> much
> > as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US
jobmarket/economy.
> > Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the globe
> it
> > was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for the
> > engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity
> being
> > that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial
> owner
> > is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile)
>
> Lol....struggling?
> Is *that* what you deduced from them finally getting rid of the Olds
> division?
>
>

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have preferred
them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three have
thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
countries. The other countries are smart and use the US immigrant laws
against us to our own demise. AND compared to where they come from, they
would LOVE to pump your gas, wash your windshied or otherwise get dirty to
provide us our creature comforts. Mexicans are taking over the skilled
trade jobs, electricians, builders etc becaue they will work for pennies an
hour and be happy to live in US squalor. You have Pakistanis taking over
every 7-11 and gas station in New Jersey, then the Japanese are taking over
industry. Do you realize that all a foriegn business owners have to do is
sign the company over back and forth to any of his kin to avoid some US
taxes?? (at least thats the way it is in NJ.) Tell me they are not playing
it smart.....they got our number and taking advantage and I wish I had it
figured out so I can take advantage of the American populous also.

So yes, "struggling" was a gross understatement.



"Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:wiYQc.88$NXg1.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
>
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> news:vQVQc.165965$wH4.10034766@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> > Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and as
> much
> > as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US
jobmarket/economy.
> > Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the globe
> it
> > was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for the
> > engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity
> being
> > that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial
> owner
> > is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile)
>
> Lol....struggling?
> Is *that* what you deduced from them finally getting rid of the Olds
> division?
>
>

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
news:L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have
preferred
> them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three
have
> thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
> are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
> countries. The other countries are smart and use the US immigrant laws
> against us to our own demise. AND compared to where they come from, they
> would LOVE to pump your gas, wash your windshied or otherwise get dirty to
> provide us our creature comforts. Mexicans are taking over the skilled
> trade jobs, electricians, builders etc becaue they will work for pennies
an
> hour and be happy to live in US squalor. You have Pakistanis taking over
> every 7-11 and gas station in New Jersey, then the Japanese are taking
over
> industry. Do you realize that all a foriegn business owners have to do is
> sign the company over back and forth to any of his kin to avoid some US
> taxes?? (at least thats the way it is in NJ.) Tell me they are not
playing
> it smart.....they got our number and taking advantage and I wish I had it
> figured out so I can take advantage of the American populous also.
>
> So yes, "struggling" was a gross understatement.


Uh-huh.

Let me know if you get around to discussing cars.



> "Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:wiYQc.88$NXg1.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> >
> > "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vQVQc.165965$wH4.10034766@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> > > Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and
as
> > much
> > > as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US
> jobmarket/economy.
> > > Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the
globe
> > it
> > > was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for
the
> > > engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity
> > being
> > > that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial
> > owner
> > > is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile)
> >
> > Lol....struggling?
> > Is *that* what you deduced from them finally getting rid of the Olds
> > division?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
news:L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have
preferred
> them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three
have
> thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
> are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
> countries. The other countries are smart and use the US immigrant laws
> against us to our own demise. AND compared to where they come from, they
> would LOVE to pump your gas, wash your windshied or otherwise get dirty to
> provide us our creature comforts. Mexicans are taking over the skilled
> trade jobs, electricians, builders etc becaue they will work for pennies
an
> hour and be happy to live in US squalor. You have Pakistanis taking over
> every 7-11 and gas station in New Jersey, then the Japanese are taking
over
> industry. Do you realize that all a foriegn business owners have to do is
> sign the company over back and forth to any of his kin to avoid some US
> taxes?? (at least thats the way it is in NJ.) Tell me they are not
playing
> it smart.....they got our number and taking advantage and I wish I had it
> figured out so I can take advantage of the American populous also.
>
> So yes, "struggling" was a gross understatement.


Uh-huh.

Let me know if you get around to discussing cars.



> "Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:wiYQc.88$NXg1.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> >
> > "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vQVQc.165965$wH4.10034766@twister.southeast.r r.com...
> > > Pure speculation based on business dealings. Believe it or not (and
as
> > much
> > > as I hate to admit) Honda is a growing force in the US
> jobmarket/economy.
> > > Based on the sheer numbers that Honda produces vehicles around the
globe
> > it
> > > was probably very easy for Honda to underbid GM for the contract for
the
> > > engines. OR GM is just not willing to support Saturn in that capacity
> > being
> > > that Saturn was making thier own motors...not GM. GM being a partial
> > owner
> > > is struggling (ie demise of Oldsmobile)
> >
> > Lol....struggling?
> > Is *that* what you deduced from them finally getting rid of the Olds
> > division?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

>
> Uh-huh.
>
> Let me know if you get around to discussing cars.
>


Nah......you'll figure it out all on your own.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

>
> Uh-huh.
>
> Let me know if you get around to discussing cars.
>


Nah......you'll figure it out all on your own.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.rr.co m>,
"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:

> Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have preferred
> them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three have
> thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
> are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
> countries.

That's not *exactly* it; it's the dumb Americans who can't see past
tomorrow, next week, or next quarter who are ruining business and the
economy.

Japan takes a long term view, very long term, and they have it right.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

In article <L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.rr.co m>,
"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:

> Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have preferred
> them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three have
> thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own wallets
> are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to other
> countries.

That's not *exactly* it; it's the dumb Americans who can't see past
tomorrow, next week, or next quarter who are ruining business and the
economy.

Japan takes a long term view, very long term, and they have it right.

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

I agree with you 100% Better put than I did.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-27C1B6.16414607082004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.rr.co m>,
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have
preferred
> > them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three
have
> > thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own
wallets
> > are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to
other
> > countries.
>
> That's not *exactly* it; it's the dumb Americans who can't see past
> tomorrow, next week, or next quarter who are ruining business and the
> economy.
>
> Japan takes a long term view, very long term, and they have it right.
>

Re: Honda Engine in a Saturn
 

I agree with you 100% Better put than I did.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-27C1B6.16414607082004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <L3ZQc.165993$wH4.10059099@twister.southeast.rr.co m>,
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Being an Olds fan from birth I was sorry to see it go. Would have
preferred
> > them to sell Saturn to Honda, or kill Buick. But all of the Big three
have
> > thier issues, and us dumb Americans who are looking to pad our own
wallets
> > are ruining the true American economy buy selling land/businesses to
other
> > countries.
>
> That's not *exactly* it; it's the dumb Americans who can't see past
> tomorrow, next week, or next quarter who are ruining business and the
> economy.
>
> Japan takes a long term view, very long term, and they have it right.
>