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TE Chea 06-06-2006 12:14 AM

Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm para 9
Toyota's newer engines are not * ( pistons cannot hit / break valves,
if timing belts break ).
In 10-05 my honda F20A's timing belt broke @ 79800 km ( owner's
manual says replace @100k km ), pistons then hit & broke valves. I
had to buy & fit a used F20A.
Worse still [i] honda's throttle angle sensor is overpriced ( >US$340
), [ii] too many brackets are used to hold hoses & pipes, a steel pipe
is used to pipe mere air from brake servo to create a vacuum, i.e.
useless weight [iii] short, inefficient, heavy & cheap 4into1pipe cast
iron exhaust manifold.for models <2.2 litre Looks like my next car
will not be a honda.



loewent via CarKB.com 06-06-2006 01:54 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
timing belt change interval is 100000kms or 60 months. how old was your belt?


TE Chea wrote:
>www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm para 9
>Toyota's newer engines are not * ( pistons cannot hit / break valves,
>if timing belts break ).
>In 10-05 my honda F20A's timing belt broke @ 79800 km ( owner's
>manual says replace @100k km ), pistons then hit & broke valves. I
>had to buy & fit a used F20A.
>Worse still [i] honda's throttle angle sensor is overpriced ( >US$340
>), [ii] too many brackets are used to hold hoses & pipes, a steel pipe
>is used to pipe mere air from brake servo to create a vacuum, i.e.
>useless weight [iii] short, inefficient, heavy & cheap 4into1pipe cast
>iron exhaust manifold.for models <2.2 litre Looks like my next car
>will not be a honda.


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loewent via CarKB.com 06-06-2006 01:54 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
timing belt change interval is 100000kms or 60 months. how old was your belt?


TE Chea wrote:
>www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm para 9
>Toyota's newer engines are not * ( pistons cannot hit / break valves,
>if timing belts break ).
>In 10-05 my honda F20A's timing belt broke @ 79800 km ( owner's
>manual says replace @100k km ), pistons then hit & broke valves. I
>had to buy & fit a used F20A.
>Worse still [i] honda's throttle angle sensor is overpriced ( >US$340
>), [ii] too many brackets are used to hold hoses & pipes, a steel pipe
>is used to pipe mere air from brake servo to create a vacuum, i.e.
>useless weight [iii] short, inefficient, heavy & cheap 4into1pipe cast
>iron exhaust manifold.for models <2.2 litre Looks like my next car
>will not be a honda.


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loewent via CarKB.com 06-06-2006 01:54 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
timing belt change interval is 100000kms or 60 months. how old was your belt?


TE Chea wrote:
>www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm para 9
>Toyota's newer engines are not * ( pistons cannot hit / break valves,
>if timing belts break ).
>In 10-05 my honda F20A's timing belt broke @ 79800 km ( owner's
>manual says replace @100k km ), pistons then hit & broke valves. I
>had to buy & fit a used F20A.
>Worse still [i] honda's throttle angle sensor is overpriced ( >US$340
>), [ii] too many brackets are used to hold hoses & pipes, a steel pipe
>is used to pipe mere air from brake servo to create a vacuum, i.e.
>useless weight [iii] short, inefficient, heavy & cheap 4into1pipe cast
>iron exhaust manifold.for models <2.2 litre Looks like my next car
>will not be a honda.


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loewent via CarKB.com 06-06-2006 01:54 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
timing belt change interval is 100000kms or 60 months. how old was your belt?


TE Chea wrote:
>www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm para 9
>Toyota's newer engines are not * ( pistons cannot hit / break valves,
>if timing belts break ).
>In 10-05 my honda F20A's timing belt broke @ 79800 km ( owner's
>manual says replace @100k km ), pistons then hit & broke valves. I
>had to buy & fit a used F20A.
>Worse still [i] honda's throttle angle sensor is overpriced ( >US$340
>), [ii] too many brackets are used to hold hoses & pipes, a steel pipe
>is used to pipe mere air from brake servo to create a vacuum, i.e.
>useless weight [iii] short, inefficient, heavy & cheap 4into1pipe cast
>iron exhaust manifold.for models <2.2 litre Looks like my next car
>will not be a honda.


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Gordon McGrew 06-06-2006 09:11 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:14:02 +0800, "TE Chea" <no@spam.biz> wrote:

>www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm para 9
>Toyota's newer engines are not * ( pistons cannot hit / break valves,
>if timing belts break ).
>In 10-05 my honda F20A's timing belt broke @ 79800 km ( owner's
>manual says replace @100k km ), pistons then hit & broke valves. I
>had to buy & fit a used F20A.
>Worse still [i] honda's throttle angle sensor is overpriced ( >US$340
>), [ii] too many brackets are used to hold hoses & pipes, a steel pipe
>is used to pipe mere air from brake servo to create a vacuum, i.e.
>useless weight [iii] short, inefficient, heavy & cheap 4into1pipe cast
>iron exhaust manifold.for models <2.2 litre Looks like my next car
>will not be a honda.


We will add these to TE Chea's list of Honda defects. Some quotes
from previous postings:

"Small & built-in induction coil cannot produce enough high
voltage @ >3000 rpm ( >100 sparks / second ) when output
voltage of any coil is just 90% of output @ 1000 rpm, older &
external ( bigger ) coils' output are more adequate. "

"I disable my 1990 accord's clock ; it drains battery, esp bad
when engine is cranked : clock's LEDs reduce the amperes &
voltage available to starter motor & spark plugs. This is 1 of
this car's ignition system's 6 minor design flaws, I think. "

TE Chea claims that there should be a solar cell to run the clock.

"You explain why a Mercedes C200 has leather seats, but ( wisely ) no
clock. Door bulbs should have photo-resistors to dim the bulbs during
daylight, to prevent wastage /drainage of battery during daylight at
least. C200 has this flaw too (proves I'm not a Mercedes salesman )."

How about this one:

"Remove door & boot bulbs, disconnect clock to maximise battery
charge i.e. spark size, & so torque / mpg too. "








Gordon McGrew 06-06-2006 09:11 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:14:02 +0800, "TE Chea" <no@spam.biz> wrote:

>www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm para 9
>Toyota's newer engines are not * ( pistons cannot hit / break valves,
>if timing belts break ).
>In 10-05 my honda F20A's timing belt broke @ 79800 km ( owner's
>manual says replace @100k km ), pistons then hit & broke valves. I
>had to buy & fit a used F20A.
>Worse still [i] honda's throttle angle sensor is overpriced ( >US$340
>), [ii] too many brackets are used to hold hoses & pipes, a steel pipe
>is used to pipe mere air from brake servo to create a vacuum, i.e.
>useless weight [iii] short, inefficient, heavy & cheap 4into1pipe cast
>iron exhaust manifold.for models <2.2 litre Looks like my next car
>will not be a honda.


We will add these to TE Chea's list of Honda defects. Some quotes
from previous postings:

"Small & built-in induction coil cannot produce enough high
voltage @ >3000 rpm ( >100 sparks / second ) when output
voltage of any coil is just 90% of output @ 1000 rpm, older &
external ( bigger ) coils' output are more adequate. "

"I disable my 1990 accord's clock ; it drains battery, esp bad
when engine is cranked : clock's LEDs reduce the amperes &
voltage available to starter motor & spark plugs. This is 1 of
this car's ignition system's 6 minor design flaws, I think. "

TE Chea claims that there should be a solar cell to run the clock.

"You explain why a Mercedes C200 has leather seats, but ( wisely ) no
clock. Door bulbs should have photo-resistors to dim the bulbs during
daylight, to prevent wastage /drainage of battery during daylight at
least. C200 has this flaw too (proves I'm not a Mercedes salesman )."

How about this one:

"Remove door & boot bulbs, disconnect clock to maximise battery
charge i.e. spark size, & so torque / mpg too. "








Gordon McGrew 06-06-2006 09:11 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:14:02 +0800, "TE Chea" <no@spam.biz> wrote:

>www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm para 9
>Toyota's newer engines are not * ( pistons cannot hit / break valves,
>if timing belts break ).
>In 10-05 my honda F20A's timing belt broke @ 79800 km ( owner's
>manual says replace @100k km ), pistons then hit & broke valves. I
>had to buy & fit a used F20A.
>Worse still [i] honda's throttle angle sensor is overpriced ( >US$340
>), [ii] too many brackets are used to hold hoses & pipes, a steel pipe
>is used to pipe mere air from brake servo to create a vacuum, i.e.
>useless weight [iii] short, inefficient, heavy & cheap 4into1pipe cast
>iron exhaust manifold.for models <2.2 litre Looks like my next car
>will not be a honda.


We will add these to TE Chea's list of Honda defects. Some quotes
from previous postings:

"Small & built-in induction coil cannot produce enough high
voltage @ >3000 rpm ( >100 sparks / second ) when output
voltage of any coil is just 90% of output @ 1000 rpm, older &
external ( bigger ) coils' output are more adequate. "

"I disable my 1990 accord's clock ; it drains battery, esp bad
when engine is cranked : clock's LEDs reduce the amperes &
voltage available to starter motor & spark plugs. This is 1 of
this car's ignition system's 6 minor design flaws, I think. "

TE Chea claims that there should be a solar cell to run the clock.

"You explain why a Mercedes C200 has leather seats, but ( wisely ) no
clock. Door bulbs should have photo-resistors to dim the bulbs during
daylight, to prevent wastage /drainage of battery during daylight at
least. C200 has this flaw too (proves I'm not a Mercedes salesman )."

How about this one:

"Remove door & boot bulbs, disconnect clock to maximise battery
charge i.e. spark size, & so torque / mpg too. "








Gordon McGrew 06-06-2006 09:11 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:14:02 +0800, "TE Chea" <no@spam.biz> wrote:

>www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us70343.htm para 9
>Toyota's newer engines are not * ( pistons cannot hit / break valves,
>if timing belts break ).
>In 10-05 my honda F20A's timing belt broke @ 79800 km ( owner's
>manual says replace @100k km ), pistons then hit & broke valves. I
>had to buy & fit a used F20A.
>Worse still [i] honda's throttle angle sensor is overpriced ( >US$340
>), [ii] too many brackets are used to hold hoses & pipes, a steel pipe
>is used to pipe mere air from brake servo to create a vacuum, i.e.
>useless weight [iii] short, inefficient, heavy & cheap 4into1pipe cast
>iron exhaust manifold.for models <2.2 litre Looks like my next car
>will not be a honda.


We will add these to TE Chea's list of Honda defects. Some quotes
from previous postings:

"Small & built-in induction coil cannot produce enough high
voltage @ >3000 rpm ( >100 sparks / second ) when output
voltage of any coil is just 90% of output @ 1000 rpm, older &
external ( bigger ) coils' output are more adequate. "

"I disable my 1990 accord's clock ; it drains battery, esp bad
when engine is cranked : clock's LEDs reduce the amperes &
voltage available to starter motor & spark plugs. This is 1 of
this car's ignition system's 6 minor design flaws, I think. "

TE Chea claims that there should be a solar cell to run the clock.

"You explain why a Mercedes C200 has leather seats, but ( wisely ) no
clock. Door bulbs should have photo-resistors to dim the bulbs during
daylight, to prevent wastage /drainage of battery during daylight at
least. C200 has this flaw too (proves I'm not a Mercedes salesman )."

How about this one:

"Remove door & boot bulbs, disconnect clock to maximise battery
charge i.e. spark size, & so torque / mpg too. "








TeGGeR® 06-06-2006 09:38 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:uv8c825pj3sjhp7gfk5iq87eg4ak28onng@4ax.com:


>
> We will add these to TE Chea's list of Honda defects. Some quotes
> from previous postings:



*Cheah* is defective. He's either lonely, stupid, or a troll.

I notice he's removed the "h" from his nym, too. Probably to escape
killfiles.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR® 06-06-2006 09:38 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:uv8c825pj3sjhp7gfk5iq87eg4ak28onng@4ax.com:


>
> We will add these to TE Chea's list of Honda defects. Some quotes
> from previous postings:



*Cheah* is defective. He's either lonely, stupid, or a troll.

I notice he's removed the "h" from his nym, too. Probably to escape
killfiles.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR® 06-06-2006 09:38 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:uv8c825pj3sjhp7gfk5iq87eg4ak28onng@4ax.com:


>
> We will add these to TE Chea's list of Honda defects. Some quotes
> from previous postings:



*Cheah* is defective. He's either lonely, stupid, or a troll.

I notice he's removed the "h" from his nym, too. Probably to escape
killfiles.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR® 06-06-2006 09:38 PM

Re: Honda engines <3.2 litre are all inteference*designs
 
Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:uv8c825pj3sjhp7gfk5iq87eg4ak28onng@4ax.com:


>
> We will add these to TE Chea's list of Honda defects. Some quotes
> from previous postings:



*Cheah* is defective. He's either lonely, stupid, or a troll.

I notice he's removed the "h" from his nym, too. Probably to escape
killfiles.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/


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