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Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
Looks like a "mommy wagon" is in my future
ANy known weak points with the Odyssey wagons? Looking at something c 1995-1997 vintage, 2.2L. Possibly the 4WD version, which I think is based on the CRV running gear. Geoff |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up your tank,
gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out how much more is in your tank when it points to E. 2.\ Front door armrest squeaks 3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you slide them 4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could diagnose it right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear lower arm with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, only the whole lower arm assembly. 5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal fatigue. Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. Had it snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads at 120 KPH, you won't be able to read this post at all. 6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on a single lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well you could possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing while doing 90 KPH upwards is a breeze though. 7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city streets is worse than a 6 banger. <geoff_m@bigfoot.com.delete.thisbit.com> wrote in message news:1erkj0t3latbf6hpfbk8k09r8vfsta36h9@4ax.com... > Looks like a "mommy wagon" is in my future > ANy known weak points with the Odyssey wagons? Looking at something c > 1995-1997 vintage, 2.2L. Possibly the 4WD version, which I think is > based on the CRV running gear. > Geoff |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up your tank,
gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out how much more is in your tank when it points to E. 2.\ Front door armrest squeaks 3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you slide them 4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could diagnose it right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear lower arm with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, only the whole lower arm assembly. 5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal fatigue. Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. Had it snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads at 120 KPH, you won't be able to read this post at all. 6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on a single lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well you could possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing while doing 90 KPH upwards is a breeze though. 7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city streets is worse than a 6 banger. <geoff_m@bigfoot.com.delete.thisbit.com> wrote in message news:1erkj0t3latbf6hpfbk8k09r8vfsta36h9@4ax.com... > Looks like a "mommy wagon" is in my future > ANy known weak points with the Odyssey wagons? Looking at something c > 1995-1997 vintage, 2.2L. Possibly the 4WD version, which I think is > based on the CRV running gear. > Geoff |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 05:51:14 GMT, "nntp" <johndoe@large.com> wrote:
>1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up your tank, >gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out how much >more is in your tank when it points to E. >2.\ Front door armrest squeaks >3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you slide them >4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could diagnose it >right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear lower arm >with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, only the whole >lower arm assembly. >5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal fatigue. >Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. Had it >snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads at 120 KPH, >you won't be able to read this post at all. >6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on a single >lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well you could >possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing while doing 90 >KPH upwards is a breeze though. >7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city streets is worse >than a 6 banger. Thanks for that. The power seems to be a common complaint when loaded up. It is nothing that money (and the V6) won't fix, but unfortunatly that isn't an option... I have been driving a 2l diesel Nissan station wagon for the last few years, so the Odyssey would be a 30-50% increase in power! Geoff New Zealand |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 05:51:14 GMT, "nntp" <johndoe@large.com> wrote:
>1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up your tank, >gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out how much >more is in your tank when it points to E. >2.\ Front door armrest squeaks >3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you slide them >4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could diagnose it >right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear lower arm >with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, only the whole >lower arm assembly. >5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal fatigue. >Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. Had it >snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads at 120 KPH, >you won't be able to read this post at all. >6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on a single >lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well you could >possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing while doing 90 >KPH upwards is a breeze though. >7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city streets is worse >than a 6 banger. Thanks for that. The power seems to be a common complaint when loaded up. It is nothing that money (and the V6) won't fix, but unfortunatly that isn't an option... I have been driving a 2l diesel Nissan station wagon for the last few years, so the Odyssey would be a 30-50% increase in power! Geoff New Zealand |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
I don't know what models you have in your neck of the woods. But here in the
States the Odyssey was never based on CRV platform and never had 4 wheel drive. The Odyssey has always been based on the Accord platform. As an Accord platform variant they have been very reliable and practical. The gas mileage was never as good as an Accord because of the additional weight, but is quite respectable for a van. The problems mentioned by NNTP are mostly because of age and a little knowledge could have solved most of his problems. I'm willing to bet he never took it to a dealer who would know his vehicle and how to solve the problems they see day in and day out. Let's take a look at his problems one by one and see: 1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up your tank, gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out how much more is in your tank when it points to E. Remove the fuel pump/sensor from the tank and clean the buildup on it or replace it if it's a problem. "Sh-t happens" 2.\ Front door armrest squeaks How can an armrest squeak. Something in the door panel is loose, tighten it. No rocket science here! 3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you slide them Lube cable/linkage with silicone or replace cables. It's called MAINTENANCE! 4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could diagnose it right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear lower arm with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, only the whole lower arm assembly. The top of the shock mount has a rubber bushing that IS sold separately. It is a common item to wear after many a year, and had his tech been aware they could have fixed the problem easily. 5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal fatigue. Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. Had it snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads at 120 KPH, you won't be able to read this post at all. Parts do wear out. A GOOD technician would have spotted the worn out ball joint and warned the customer before it broke and not put him in danger. It's called PREVENTIVE maintenance. 6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on a single lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well you could possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing while doing 90 KPH upwards is a breeze though. 7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city streets is worse than a 6 banger. These last two items sound like this motor is either well worn (lots of miles) or has also received the lack of attention the rest of the vehicle received. The SOHC 2.2L non-Vtec motor is not a barnstormer, but is adequate. I would suggest that you look for a 1998 model Odyssey that has the V-tec motor (at least here in the States it does). The extra power is welcome and makes the vehicle much more compatible. Of course if your budget will alow, go for the later model with a V-6. There's very little diiference in gas mileage, but tons more room. And don't let anyone scare you about the transmission. Honda is taking care of their "problem" by replacing them at no cost to the customer. Do have a qualified technician (Honda experienced) check out any vehicle you are looking at. You'll know what to expect in it's future and be better prepared to make an offer to it's true value. Good luck! Howard <geoff_m@bigfoot.com.delete.thisbit.com> wrote in message news:1erkj0t3latbf6hpfbk8k09r8vfsta36h9@4ax.com... > Looks like a "mommy wagon" is in my future > ANy known weak points with the Odyssey wagons? Looking at something c > 1995-1997 vintage, 2.2L. Possibly the 4WD version, which I think is > based on the CRV running gear. > Geoff |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
I don't know what models you have in your neck of the woods. But here in the
States the Odyssey was never based on CRV platform and never had 4 wheel drive. The Odyssey has always been based on the Accord platform. As an Accord platform variant they have been very reliable and practical. The gas mileage was never as good as an Accord because of the additional weight, but is quite respectable for a van. The problems mentioned by NNTP are mostly because of age and a little knowledge could have solved most of his problems. I'm willing to bet he never took it to a dealer who would know his vehicle and how to solve the problems they see day in and day out. Let's take a look at his problems one by one and see: 1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up your tank, gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out how much more is in your tank when it points to E. Remove the fuel pump/sensor from the tank and clean the buildup on it or replace it if it's a problem. "Sh-t happens" 2.\ Front door armrest squeaks How can an armrest squeak. Something in the door panel is loose, tighten it. No rocket science here! 3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you slide them Lube cable/linkage with silicone or replace cables. It's called MAINTENANCE! 4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could diagnose it right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear lower arm with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, only the whole lower arm assembly. The top of the shock mount has a rubber bushing that IS sold separately. It is a common item to wear after many a year, and had his tech been aware they could have fixed the problem easily. 5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal fatigue. Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. Had it snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads at 120 KPH, you won't be able to read this post at all. Parts do wear out. A GOOD technician would have spotted the worn out ball joint and warned the customer before it broke and not put him in danger. It's called PREVENTIVE maintenance. 6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on a single lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well you could possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing while doing 90 KPH upwards is a breeze though. 7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city streets is worse than a 6 banger. These last two items sound like this motor is either well worn (lots of miles) or has also received the lack of attention the rest of the vehicle received. The SOHC 2.2L non-Vtec motor is not a barnstormer, but is adequate. I would suggest that you look for a 1998 model Odyssey that has the V-tec motor (at least here in the States it does). The extra power is welcome and makes the vehicle much more compatible. Of course if your budget will alow, go for the later model with a V-6. There's very little diiference in gas mileage, but tons more room. And don't let anyone scare you about the transmission. Honda is taking care of their "problem" by replacing them at no cost to the customer. Do have a qualified technician (Honda experienced) check out any vehicle you are looking at. You'll know what to expect in it's future and be better prepared to make an offer to it's true value. Good luck! Howard <geoff_m@bigfoot.com.delete.thisbit.com> wrote in message news:1erkj0t3latbf6hpfbk8k09r8vfsta36h9@4ax.com... > Looks like a "mommy wagon" is in my future > ANy known weak points with the Odyssey wagons? Looking at something c > 1995-1997 vintage, 2.2L. Possibly the 4WD version, which I think is > based on the CRV running gear. > Geoff |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
Additional info.
Items #1 to #3 were covered by Honda "silent" recall. I bought my 95 Ody when it has already logged 92K kms. Had the previous owner brought it to the dealer before 60k, Honda would have fixed it for free. The float arm in the fuel sensing device is short which results in the wrong gauge reading. The arm rest squeaks because of wrong design, the plastic material easily breaks too. #4 It was not the bushing on top of the shock. It is the bushing on the lower control arm. You were right, those guys who checked it sucks. #5 The ball joint snapped at the "neck" part. It did not popped out of it's socket. I wonder if there is a way to eyeball check if a ball joint is cracked and about to fail. This is not to discourage people to buy used Odyssey. I actually like my 95 Ody lot better than my previous Caravan, Voyager and Nissan vans. Howard is right about proper maintenance and having the right mechanics. BTW, i have now logged 270k KMs and still going fine without any majors (except those mentioned). "Howard" <Howardh@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gtF_c.21261$Np2.14980@bignews4.bellsouth.net. .. > I don't know what models you have in your neck of the woods. But here in the > States the Odyssey was never based on CRV platform and never had 4 wheel > drive. > The Odyssey has always been based on the Accord platform. As an Accord > platform variant they have been very reliable and practical. The gas mileage > was never as good as an Accord because of the additional weight, but is > quite respectable for a van. > The problems mentioned by NNTP are mostly because of age and a little > knowledge could have solved most of his problems. I'm willing to bet he > never took it to a dealer who would know his vehicle and how to solve the > problems they see day in and day out. Let's take a look at his problems one > by one and see: > 1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up > your tank, > gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out > how much > more is in your tank when it points to E. > Remove the fuel pump/sensor from the tank and clean the buildup on it or > replace it if it's a problem. "Sh-t happens" > 2.\ Front door armrest squeaks > How can an armrest squeak. Something in the door panel is loose, tighten it. > No rocket science here! > 3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you > slide them > Lube cable/linkage with silicone or replace cables. It's called MAINTENANCE! > 4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could > diagnose it > right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear > lower arm > with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, only > the whole > lower arm assembly. > The top of the shock mount has a rubber bushing that IS sold separately. It > is a common item to wear after many a year, and had his tech been aware they > could have fixed the problem easily. > 5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal > fatigue. > Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. Had > it > snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads > at 120 KPH, > you won't be able to read this post at all. > Parts do wear out. A GOOD technician would have spotted the worn out ball > joint and warned the customer before it broke and not put him in danger. > It's called PREVENTIVE maintenance. > 6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on a > single > lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well you > could > possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing while > doing 90 > KPH upwards is a breeze though. > 7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city streets > is worse > than a 6 banger. > These last two items sound like this motor is either well worn (lots of > miles) or has also received the lack of attention the rest of the vehicle > received. The SOHC 2.2L non-Vtec motor is not a barnstormer, but is > adequate. I would suggest that you look for a 1998 model Odyssey that has > the V-tec motor (at least here in the States it does). The extra power is > welcome and makes the vehicle much more compatible. > Of course if your budget will alow, go for the later model with a V-6. > There's very little diiference in gas mileage, but tons more room. And don't > let anyone scare you about the transmission. Honda is taking care of their > "problem" by replacing them at no cost to the customer. > Do have a qualified technician (Honda experienced) check out any vehicle you > are looking at. You'll know what to expect in it's future and be better > prepared to make an offer to it's true value. Good luck! > Howard > <geoff_m@bigfoot.com.delete.thisbit.com> wrote in message > news:1erkj0t3latbf6hpfbk8k09r8vfsta36h9@4ax.com... > > Looks like a "mommy wagon" is in my future > > ANy known weak points with the Odyssey wagons? Looking at something c > > 1995-1997 vintage, 2.2L. Possibly the 4WD version, which I think is > > based on the CRV running gear. > > Geoff > > |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
Additional info.
Items #1 to #3 were covered by Honda "silent" recall. I bought my 95 Ody when it has already logged 92K kms. Had the previous owner brought it to the dealer before 60k, Honda would have fixed it for free. The float arm in the fuel sensing device is short which results in the wrong gauge reading. The arm rest squeaks because of wrong design, the plastic material easily breaks too. #4 It was not the bushing on top of the shock. It is the bushing on the lower control arm. You were right, those guys who checked it sucks. #5 The ball joint snapped at the "neck" part. It did not popped out of it's socket. I wonder if there is a way to eyeball check if a ball joint is cracked and about to fail. This is not to discourage people to buy used Odyssey. I actually like my 95 Ody lot better than my previous Caravan, Voyager and Nissan vans. Howard is right about proper maintenance and having the right mechanics. BTW, i have now logged 270k KMs and still going fine without any majors (except those mentioned). "Howard" <Howardh@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gtF_c.21261$Np2.14980@bignews4.bellsouth.net. .. > I don't know what models you have in your neck of the woods. But here in the > States the Odyssey was never based on CRV platform and never had 4 wheel > drive. > The Odyssey has always been based on the Accord platform. As an Accord > platform variant they have been very reliable and practical. The gas mileage > was never as good as an Accord because of the additional weight, but is > quite respectable for a van. > The problems mentioned by NNTP are mostly because of age and a little > knowledge could have solved most of his problems. I'm willing to bet he > never took it to a dealer who would know his vehicle and how to solve the > problems they see day in and day out. Let's take a look at his problems one > by one and see: > 1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up > your tank, > gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out > how much > more is in your tank when it points to E. > Remove the fuel pump/sensor from the tank and clean the buildup on it or > replace it if it's a problem. "Sh-t happens" > 2.\ Front door armrest squeaks > How can an armrest squeak. Something in the door panel is loose, tighten it. > No rocket science here! > 3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you > slide them > Lube cable/linkage with silicone or replace cables. It's called MAINTENANCE! > 4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could > diagnose it > right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear > lower arm > with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, only > the whole > lower arm assembly. > The top of the shock mount has a rubber bushing that IS sold separately. It > is a common item to wear after many a year, and had his tech been aware they > could have fixed the problem easily. > 5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal > fatigue. > Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. Had > it > snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads > at 120 KPH, > you won't be able to read this post at all. > Parts do wear out. A GOOD technician would have spotted the worn out ball > joint and warned the customer before it broke and not put him in danger. > It's called PREVENTIVE maintenance. > 6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on a > single > lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well you > could > possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing while > doing 90 > KPH upwards is a breeze though. > 7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city streets > is worse > than a 6 banger. > These last two items sound like this motor is either well worn (lots of > miles) or has also received the lack of attention the rest of the vehicle > received. The SOHC 2.2L non-Vtec motor is not a barnstormer, but is > adequate. I would suggest that you look for a 1998 model Odyssey that has > the V-tec motor (at least here in the States it does). The extra power is > welcome and makes the vehicle much more compatible. > Of course if your budget will alow, go for the later model with a V-6. > There's very little diiference in gas mileage, but tons more room. And don't > let anyone scare you about the transmission. Honda is taking care of their > "problem" by replacing them at no cost to the customer. > Do have a qualified technician (Honda experienced) check out any vehicle you > are looking at. You'll know what to expect in it's future and be better > prepared to make an offer to it's true value. Good luck! > Howard > <geoff_m@bigfoot.com.delete.thisbit.com> wrote in message > news:1erkj0t3latbf6hpfbk8k09r8vfsta36h9@4ax.com... > > Looks like a "mommy wagon" is in my future > > ANy known weak points with the Odyssey wagons? Looking at something c > > 1995-1997 vintage, 2.2L. Possibly the 4WD version, which I think is > > based on the CRV running gear. > > Geoff > > |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:34:53 -0400, "Howard" <Howardh@hotmail.com>
wrote: >I don't know what models you have in your neck of the woods. But here in the >States the Odyssey was never based on CRV platform and never had 4 wheel >drive. >The Odyssey has always been based on the Accord platform. As an Accord >platform variant they have been very reliable and practical. The gas mileage >was never as good as an Accord because of the additional weight, but is >quite respectable for a van. Here in New Zealand, we get a lot of our cars as used imports from Japan, which means a wide range of models (and some really wierd ones). The 4WD (and standard) Ody is one of them. I don't knwo how much difference the 4WD will make - I mena it is a van after all. the used cost is much the same. They all seem to be around 100,000km (60k milies) so a cambelt would be needed pretty much as soon as you drive off the lot. I don't know how hard this will be to do. I plan on doing most of the maintenance myself, unless I can get a good price for one of the kids on Ebay :) NZ prices FYI 95-96 2.2l $NZ8-10k ($US5k-6300) 97-98 Vtec 2.3 $NZ13-14k ($US 8.2-8.8k) 98 V6 $NZ17-18k ($US10.7 - 12k) so you can see there is a fair bit of difference for the next step up. Geoff |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:34:53 -0400, "Howard" <Howardh@hotmail.com>
wrote: >I don't know what models you have in your neck of the woods. But here in the >States the Odyssey was never based on CRV platform and never had 4 wheel >drive. >The Odyssey has always been based on the Accord platform. As an Accord >platform variant they have been very reliable and practical. The gas mileage >was never as good as an Accord because of the additional weight, but is >quite respectable for a van. Here in New Zealand, we get a lot of our cars as used imports from Japan, which means a wide range of models (and some really wierd ones). The 4WD (and standard) Ody is one of them. I don't knwo how much difference the 4WD will make - I mena it is a van after all. the used cost is much the same. They all seem to be around 100,000km (60k milies) so a cambelt would be needed pretty much as soon as you drive off the lot. I don't know how hard this will be to do. I plan on doing most of the maintenance myself, unless I can get a good price for one of the kids on Ebay :) NZ prices FYI 95-96 2.2l $NZ8-10k ($US5k-6300) 97-98 Vtec 2.3 $NZ13-14k ($US 8.2-8.8k) 98 V6 $NZ17-18k ($US10.7 - 12k) so you can see there is a fair bit of difference for the next step up. Geoff |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
I appreciate your praise and honesty about the Odyssey.
I want add one thing to set the record straight. I've read a few posts in this newsgroups claiming the existence of "silent recalls" There is no such thing as a silent recall. The manufacturer may voluntarily issue a recall or the government, usually NHTSA, may announce and force a recall. Either one is announced to the public and letters of notification is mailed to registered owners. What some may have experienced is what is called "goodwill" from the dealer to the customer when an item has prematurely or unexpectedly failed in service even after the initial warranty expires. The dealer is reimbursed by the Mfr extending a policy of "goodwill" to the customer. The dealer is given discretion to this goodwill. Not all dealers are given this option, only the well performing (warranty handling, customer satisfaction) dealerships. This policy shows the care and concern of the manufacturer when something unexpected may occur. Mistakes do happen. And it's not necessarily always happening to major systems or safety items on the car. I've seen it on interior parts such as cupholders, ashtrays and glove boxes. But things do wear out and don't last forever. Catastrophe can be avoided with preventive maintenance. BTW, I am a consumer, a Honda owner and a 30 year veteran of Fixed Operations (Parts and Service) in Honda dealers. If there's anything I can answer for you, I'll try my best to answer for you. "nntp" <johndoe@large.com> wrote in message news:hzI_c.216159$UTP.212992@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com... > Additional info. > Items #1 to #3 were covered by Honda "silent" recall. I bought my 95 Ody > when it has already logged 92K kms. Had the previous owner brought it to the > dealer before 60k, Honda would have fixed it for free. The float arm in the > fuel sensing device is short which results in the wrong gauge reading. The > arm rest squeaks because of wrong design, the plastic material easily breaks > too. > > #4 It was not the bushing on top of the shock. It is the bushing on the > lower control arm. You were right, those guys who checked it sucks. > > #5 The ball joint snapped at the "neck" part. It did not popped out of it's > socket. I wonder if there is a way to eyeball check if a ball joint is > cracked and about to fail. > > This is not to discourage people to buy used Odyssey. I actually like my 95 > Ody lot better than my previous Caravan, Voyager and Nissan vans. Howard is > right about proper maintenance and having the right mechanics. BTW, i have > now logged 270k KMs and still going fine without any majors (except those > mentioned). > > > > > "Howard" <Howardh@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:gtF_c.21261$Np2.14980@bignews4.bellsouth.net. .. > > I don't know what models you have in your neck of the woods. But here in > the > > States the Odyssey was never based on CRV platform and never had 4 wheel > > drive. > > The Odyssey has always been based on the Accord platform. As an Accord > > platform variant they have been very reliable and practical. The gas > mileage > > was never as good as an Accord because of the additional weight, but is > > quite respectable for a van. > > The problems mentioned by NNTP are mostly because of age and a little > > knowledge could have solved most of his problems. I'm willing to bet he > > never took it to a dealer who would know his vehicle and how to solve the > > problems they see day in and day out. Let's take a look at his problems > one > > by one and see: > > 1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up > > your tank, > > gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out > > how much > > more is in your tank when it points to E. > > Remove the fuel pump/sensor from the tank and clean the buildup on it or > > replace it if it's a problem. "Sh-t happens" > > 2.\ Front door armrest squeaks > > How can an armrest squeak. Something in the door panel is loose, tighten > it. > > No rocket science here! > > 3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you > > slide them > > Lube cable/linkage with silicone or replace cables. It's called > MAINTENANCE! > > 4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could > > diagnose it > > right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear > > lower arm > > with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, > only > > the whole > > lower arm assembly. > > The top of the shock mount has a rubber bushing that IS sold separately. > It > > is a common item to wear after many a year, and had his tech been aware > they > > could have fixed the problem easily. > > 5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal > > fatigue. > > Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. > Had > > it > > snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads > > at 120 KPH, > > you won't be able to read this post at all. > > Parts do wear out. A GOOD technician would have spotted the worn out ball > > joint and warned the customer before it broke and not put him in danger. > > It's called PREVENTIVE maintenance. > > 6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on > a > > single > > lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well > you > > could > > possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing > while > > doing 90 > > KPH upwards is a breeze though. > > 7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city > streets > > is worse > > than a 6 banger. > > These last two items sound like this motor is either well worn (lots of > > miles) or has also received the lack of attention the rest of the vehicle > > received. The SOHC 2.2L non-Vtec motor is not a barnstormer, but is > > adequate. I would suggest that you look for a 1998 model Odyssey that has > > the V-tec motor (at least here in the States it does). The extra power is > > welcome and makes the vehicle much more compatible. > > Of course if your budget will alow, go for the later model with a V-6. > > There's very little diiference in gas mileage, but tons more room. And > don't > > let anyone scare you about the transmission. Honda is taking care of their > > "problem" by replacing them at no cost to the customer. > > Do have a qualified technician (Honda experienced) check out any vehicle > you > > are looking at. You'll know what to expect in it's future and be better > > prepared to make an offer to it's true value. Good luck! > > Howard > > <geoff_m@bigfoot.com.delete.thisbit.com> wrote in message > > news:1erkj0t3latbf6hpfbk8k09r8vfsta36h9@4ax.com... > > > Looks like a "mommy wagon" is in my future > > > ANy known weak points with the Odyssey wagons? Looking at something c > > > 1995-1997 vintage, 2.2L. Possibly the 4WD version, which I think is > > > based on the CRV running gear. > > > Geoff > > > > > > |
Re: Honda Odyssey known faults (1995-97 2.2l 4wd)
I appreciate your praise and honesty about the Odyssey.
I want add one thing to set the record straight. I've read a few posts in this newsgroups claiming the existence of "silent recalls" There is no such thing as a silent recall. The manufacturer may voluntarily issue a recall or the government, usually NHTSA, may announce and force a recall. Either one is announced to the public and letters of notification is mailed to registered owners. What some may have experienced is what is called "goodwill" from the dealer to the customer when an item has prematurely or unexpectedly failed in service even after the initial warranty expires. The dealer is reimbursed by the Mfr extending a policy of "goodwill" to the customer. The dealer is given discretion to this goodwill. Not all dealers are given this option, only the well performing (warranty handling, customer satisfaction) dealerships. This policy shows the care and concern of the manufacturer when something unexpected may occur. Mistakes do happen. And it's not necessarily always happening to major systems or safety items on the car. I've seen it on interior parts such as cupholders, ashtrays and glove boxes. But things do wear out and don't last forever. Catastrophe can be avoided with preventive maintenance. BTW, I am a consumer, a Honda owner and a 30 year veteran of Fixed Operations (Parts and Service) in Honda dealers. If there's anything I can answer for you, I'll try my best to answer for you. "nntp" <johndoe@large.com> wrote in message news:hzI_c.216159$UTP.212992@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com... > Additional info. > Items #1 to #3 were covered by Honda "silent" recall. I bought my 95 Ody > when it has already logged 92K kms. Had the previous owner brought it to the > dealer before 60k, Honda would have fixed it for free. The float arm in the > fuel sensing device is short which results in the wrong gauge reading. The > arm rest squeaks because of wrong design, the plastic material easily breaks > too. > > #4 It was not the bushing on top of the shock. It is the bushing on the > lower control arm. You were right, those guys who checked it sucks. > > #5 The ball joint snapped at the "neck" part. It did not popped out of it's > socket. I wonder if there is a way to eyeball check if a ball joint is > cracked and about to fail. > > This is not to discourage people to buy used Odyssey. I actually like my 95 > Ody lot better than my previous Caravan, Voyager and Nissan vans. Howard is > right about proper maintenance and having the right mechanics. BTW, i have > now logged 270k KMs and still going fine without any majors (except those > mentioned). > > > > > "Howard" <Howardh@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:gtF_c.21261$Np2.14980@bignews4.bellsouth.net. .. > > I don't know what models you have in your neck of the woods. But here in > the > > States the Odyssey was never based on CRV platform and never had 4 wheel > > drive. > > The Odyssey has always been based on the Accord platform. As an Accord > > platform variant they have been very reliable and practical. The gas > mileage > > was never as good as an Accord because of the additional weight, but is > > quite respectable for a van. > > The problems mentioned by NNTP are mostly because of age and a little > > knowledge could have solved most of his problems. I'm willing to bet he > > never took it to a dealer who would know his vehicle and how to solve the > > problems they see day in and day out. Let's take a look at his problems > one > > by one and see: > > 1.\ Fuel gauge is off by a quarter tank. So even if you fill-up > > your tank, > > gauge shows 75% full. Of course you won't be able to figure out > > how much > > more is in your tank when it points to E. > > Remove the fuel pump/sensor from the tank and clean the buildup on it or > > replace it if it's a problem. "Sh-t happens" > > 2.\ Front door armrest squeaks > > How can an armrest squeak. Something in the door panel is loose, tighten > it. > > No rocket science here! > > 3.\ Ventilation levers too tight, as if they will break if you > > slide them > > Lube cable/linkage with silicone or replace cables. It's called > MAINTENANCE! > > 4.\ My rear suspension thumps and squeaks and nobody could > > diagnose it > > right. I finally decided to do it myself by replacing the rear > > lower arm > > with a used one from a wrecker. Honda doesn't sell bushings, > only > > the whole > > lower arm assembly. > > The top of the shock mount has a rubber bushing that IS sold separately. > It > > is a common item to wear after many a year, and had his tech been aware > they > > could have fixed the problem easily. > > 5.\ My driver side ball joint snapped possibly due to metal > > fatigue. > > Luckily, I was doing only 20 KPH in Vancouver when it snapped. > Had > > it > > snapped when I was traversing the winding British Columbia roads > > at 120 KPH, > > you won't be able to read this post at all. > > Parts do wear out. A GOOD technician would have spotted the worn out ball > > joint and warned the customer before it broke and not put him in danger. > > It's called PREVENTIVE maintenance. > > 6.\ Low-end torque is pathetic. Do not try to pass a 53 footer on > a > > single > > lane road if you are not confident of what you are doing. Well > you > > could > > possibly do it at around 6000RPM on the second gear. Passing > while > > doing 90 > > KPH upwards is a breeze though. > > 7.\ Fuel consumption with airconditioning on while on city > streets > > is worse > > than a 6 banger. > > These last two items sound like this motor is either well worn (lots of > > miles) or has also received the lack of attention the rest of the vehicle > > received. The SOHC 2.2L non-Vtec motor is not a barnstormer, but is > > adequate. I would suggest that you look for a 1998 model Odyssey that has > > the V-tec motor (at least here in the States it does). The extra power is > > welcome and makes the vehicle much more compatible. > > Of course if your budget will alow, go for the later model with a V-6. > > There's very little diiference in gas mileage, but tons more room. And > don't > > let anyone scare you about the transmission. Honda is taking care of their > > "problem" by replacing them at no cost to the customer. > > Do have a qualified technician (Honda experienced) check out any vehicle > you > > are looking at. You'll know what to expect in it's future and be better > > prepared to make an offer to it's true value. Good luck! > > Howard > > <geoff_m@bigfoot.com.delete.thisbit.com> wrote in message > > news:1erkj0t3latbf6hpfbk8k09r8vfsta36h9@4ax.com... > > > Looks like a "mommy wagon" is in my future > > > ANy known weak points with the Odyssey wagons? Looking at something c > > > 1995-1997 vintage, 2.2L. Possibly the 4WD version, which I think is > > > based on the CRV running gear. > > > Geoff > > > > > > |
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