Honda's hydrogen-fuel-cell FCX Clarity
"...this is a true zero-emission vehicle, yet it looks, operates and
drives like anything else on the road. There is simply no more realistic a peek into the possibly green future of the automobile, not the theoretical Chevrolet Volt from General Motors, nor the electric Tesla billionaire-toy, and not even the Holy Green Grail of the plug-in Prius..." Wall Street Journal: http://301url.com/f43 |
Re: Honda's hydrogen-fuel-cell FCX Clarity
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> "...this is a true zero-emission vehicle, yet it looks, operates and > drives like anything else on the road. There is simply no more > realistic a peek into the possibly green future of the automobile, not > the theoretical Chevrolet Volt from General Motors, nor the electric > Tesla billionaire-toy, and not even the Holy Green Grail of the plug-in > Prius..." > > Wall Street Journal: http://301url.com/f43 The downside, of course, is that PRODUCING hydrogen in quantity is not generally a zero-emission process (unless you have substantial hydro- or nuclear-generated electricity available). |
Re: Honda's hydrogen-fuel-cell FCX Clarity
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:18:03 GMT, Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com>
wrote: >The downside, of course, is that PRODUCING hydrogen in quantity is not >generally a zero-emission process (unless you have substantial hydro- or >nuclear-generated electricity available). If you mean someone is burning coal upstream, I suppose so, but the idea is that big centralized power generation is both cleaner and more efficient than most vehicles, so if the resulting consumption is clean, it's a net winner. Y'know, I don't get it, if you asked anybody five years ago what would make sense for vehicles when oil reached $100/barrel, they'd have said all sorts of alternatives could come online at those prices. Maybe even hydrogen. J. |
Re: Honda's hydrogen-fuel-cell FCX Clarity
JXStern wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:18:03 GMT, Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The downside, of course, is that PRODUCING hydrogen in quantity is not >> generally a zero-emission process (unless you have substantial hydro- or >> nuclear-generated electricity available). > > If you mean someone is burning coal upstream, I suppose so, but the > idea is that big centralized power generation is both cleaner and more > efficient than most vehicles, so if the resulting consumption is > clean, it's a net winner. NET winner, perhaps (IN THEORY)... still, the point is, it's not a "ZERO-emissions" solutions; it's a shifted-emissions setup. > Y'know, I don't get it, if you asked anybody five years ago what would > make sense for vehicles when oil reached $100/barrel, they'd have said > all sorts of alternatives could come online at those prices. Maybe > even hydrogen. Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great to see some VIABLE alternatives to this petroleum-fueled society... it just, I dunno, amuses me, I guess, to see people tripping over themselves to jump on various "clean energy" pie-in-the-sky bandwagons, only to ask a dozen years later, "What ever happened to that idea" because they didn't stop to think about ALL the implications, requirements, disadvantages, etc. |
Re: Honda's hydrogen-fuel-cell FCX Clarity
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:05:07 GMT, Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com>
wrote: >NET winner, perhaps (IN THEORY)... still, the point is, it's not a >"ZERO-emissions" solutions; it's a shifted-emissions setup. Nobody rides for free. >> Y'know, I don't get it, if you asked anybody five years ago what would >> make sense for vehicles when oil reached $100/barrel, they'd have said >> all sorts of alternatives could come online at those prices. Maybe >> even hydrogen. > >Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great to see some VIABLE >alternatives to this petroleum-fueled society... it just, I dunno, >amuses me, I guess, to see people tripping over themselves to jump on >various "clean energy" pie-in-the-sky bandwagons, only to ask a dozen >years later, "What ever happened to that idea" because they didn't stop >to think about ALL the implications, requirements, disadvantages, etc. How about horses? Or do you think a careful scientific study would find that they have emissions, too? /hah |
Re: Honda's hydrogen-fuel-cell FCX Clarity
JXStern wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:05:07 GMT, Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> NET winner, perhaps (IN THEORY)... still, the point is, it's not a >> "ZERO-emissions" solutions; it's a shifted-emissions setup. > > Nobody rides for free. That's my point. The original post *opened* with, "...this is a true zero-emission vehicle". TANSTAAFL. > How about horses? Or do you think a careful scientific study would > find that they have emissions, too? Well if you could collect and distill the methane, you could use that for powering your car... |
Re: Honda's hydrogen-fuel-cell FCX Clarity
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in
news:d69b081b368de7a9163f2304f0868b65@dizum.com: > "...this is a true zero-emission vehicle, yet it looks, operates and > drives like anything else on the road. There is simply no more > realistic a peek into the possibly green future of the automobile, not > the theoretical Chevrolet Volt from General Motors, nor the electric > Tesla billionaire-toy, and not even the Holy Green Grail of the plug-in > Prius..." > > Wall Street Journal: http://301url.com/f43 > Last I heard, a fuel cell car costs like $1 million. Is this more a public R&D phase (aka "beta test") more than anything else? After the lease is up, will they be crushed and buried with the EV1's? |
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