Honda's new oil change interval
08-30-2008, 12:29 AM
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Honda's new oil change interval
Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
be good for the engine. While I do my own oil changes I thought I
would mention it to the group and find out from your repair shop the
next time you get it done.
aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
be good for the engine. While I do my own oil changes I thought I
would mention it to the group and find out from your repair shop the
next time you get it done.
08-30-2008, 08:36 AM
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Re: Honda's new oil change interval
In article <2sihb4hvudvobj7cbsim2if4pqsstd5817@4ax.com>,
nick@nowhere.com wrote:
> Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
> aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
> the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
> just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
I imagine the dealer is obligated--at the very least, happy--to do
whatever extra services you ask for.
That Honda doesn't specify the filter be changed is merely a checkmark
in the comparison charts that Honda uses for marketing purposes.
Under the maintenance minder, Honda doesn't specify a mileage for
changing your oil. But the dealer will be happy to do it ever 3000
miles for you if that's what you want.
> I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
> be good for the engine.
This is amusing. We've now moved the argument away from "it can't be
good to wait (insert miles here) to change the oil" and have moved on to
"it can't be good to wait (insert miles here) to change the filter".
Just as people have decided to ignore the maintenance minder for oil
changes and do it on their own schedule, they're free to do so for the
filter, too.
nick@nowhere.com wrote:
> Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
> aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
> the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
> just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
I imagine the dealer is obligated--at the very least, happy--to do
whatever extra services you ask for.
That Honda doesn't specify the filter be changed is merely a checkmark
in the comparison charts that Honda uses for marketing purposes.
Under the maintenance minder, Honda doesn't specify a mileage for
changing your oil. But the dealer will be happy to do it ever 3000
miles for you if that's what you want.
> I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
> be good for the engine.
This is amusing. We've now moved the argument away from "it can't be
good to wait (insert miles here) to change the oil" and have moved on to
"it can't be good to wait (insert miles here) to change the filter".
Just as people have decided to ignore the maintenance minder for oil
changes and do it on their own schedule, they're free to do so for the
filter, too.
08-30-2008, 08:40 AM
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Re: Honda's new oil change interval
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <2sihb4hvudvobj7cbsim2if4pqsstd5817@4ax.com>,
> nick@nowhere.com wrote:
>
>
>>Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
>>aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
>>the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
>>just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
>
>
> I imagine the dealer is obligated--at the very least, happy--to do
> whatever extra services you ask for.
>
> That Honda doesn't specify the filter be changed is merely a checkmark
> in the comparison charts that Honda uses for marketing purposes.
>
> Under the maintenance minder, Honda doesn't specify a mileage for
> changing your oil. But the dealer will be happy to do it ever 3000
> miles for you if that's what you want.
>
Most dealers will anything as frequently as you don't want, and have no
need for! They promote revenue maximization intervals.
08-30-2008, 08:51 AM
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Re: Honda's new oil change interval
<nick@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:2sihb4hvudvobj7cbsim2if4pqsstd5817@4ax.com...
> Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
> aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
> the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
> just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
>
> I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
> be good for the engine. While I do my own oil changes I thought I
> would mention it to the group and find out from your repair shop the
> next time you get it done.
>
As I recall, BMW calls for oil service at 15k on its cars.
08-30-2008, 11:50 AM
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Re: Honda's new oil change interval
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> Just as people have decided to ignore the maintenance minder for oil
> changes and do it on their own schedule, they're free to do so for the
> filter, too.
The fact is that the filter is just fine for two oil changes. This used
to be the norm back in the olden days of 3000 mile oil changes, when a
filter cost was much higher than the cost of the oil, and many more
people did their own oil changes. An older filter won't let any more
dirt through, but the flow rate will be very slightly reduced.
I think most people change the filter at every oil change just because
the cost of doing so is so low, but it's not necessary and provides no
benefit. There's also the issue that the filter is holding some dirty
oil, but it's a lot less these days with the small filters than it was
back in the days of the huge filters.
Just be sure to use genuine Honda filters, and not an after-market
filter, since the construction quality of most after-market filters is
abysmal (especially the orange ones, but I won't name names). My
mechanic keeps a stock of Honda filters even though he pays 3x the
price of the jobber filters ($3 versus $1).
When Honda first started using 5W20 oil he couldn't get it from his oil
distributor so he was buying it from the dealer, which was very
expensive, even at the discounted price that they sell parts to
independent garages. The parts guy at the Honda dealer told him that the
dealer's service department didn't even use the 5W20, they used 5W30
because it was cheaper. The independent shops have to be careful about
not using the wrong oil since if there's an engine problem down the road
they could have customers blaming them based on using the wrong oil
> Just as people have decided to ignore the maintenance minder for oil
> changes and do it on their own schedule, they're free to do so for the
> filter, too.
The fact is that the filter is just fine for two oil changes. This used
to be the norm back in the olden days of 3000 mile oil changes, when a
filter cost was much higher than the cost of the oil, and many more
people did their own oil changes. An older filter won't let any more
dirt through, but the flow rate will be very slightly reduced.
I think most people change the filter at every oil change just because
the cost of doing so is so low, but it's not necessary and provides no
benefit. There's also the issue that the filter is holding some dirty
oil, but it's a lot less these days with the small filters than it was
back in the days of the huge filters.
Just be sure to use genuine Honda filters, and not an after-market
filter, since the construction quality of most after-market filters is
abysmal (especially the orange ones, but I won't name names). My
mechanic keeps a stock of Honda filters even though he pays 3x the
price of the jobber filters ($3 versus $1).
When Honda first started using 5W20 oil he couldn't get it from his oil
distributor so he was buying it from the dealer, which was very
expensive, even at the discounted price that they sell parts to
independent garages. The parts guy at the Honda dealer told him that the
dealer's service department didn't even use the 5W20, they used 5W30
because it was cheaper. The independent shops have to be careful about
not using the wrong oil since if there's an engine problem down the road
they could have customers blaming them based on using the wrong oil
09-01-2008, 01:13 PM
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Re: Honda's new oil change interval
nick@nowhere.com wrote:
> Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
> aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
> the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
> just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
>
> I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
> be good for the engine.
have you ever thought of having oil analysis done so that you don't
/have/ to think? that's what honda did afterall...
> While I do my own oil changes I thought I
> would mention it to the group and find out from your repair shop the
> next time you get it done.
>
> Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
> aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
> the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
> just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
>
> I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
> be good for the engine.
have you ever thought of having oil analysis done so that you don't
/have/ to think? that's what honda did afterall...
> While I do my own oil changes I thought I
> would mention it to the group and find out from your repair shop the
> next time you get it done.
>
09-01-2008, 01:23 PM
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Re: Honda's new oil change interval
SMS wrote:
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> Just as people have decided to ignore the maintenance minder for oil
>> changes and do it on their own schedule, they're free to do so for the
>> filter, too.
>
> The fact is that the filter is just fine for two oil changes. This used
> to be the norm back in the olden days of 3000 mile oil changes, when a
> filter cost was much higher than the cost of the oil, and many more
> people did their own oil changes. An older filter won't let any more
> dirt through, but the flow rate will be very slightly reduced.
>
> I think most people change the filter at every oil change just because
> the cost of doing so is so low, but it's not necessary and provides no
> benefit. There's also the issue that the filter is holding some dirty
> oil, but it's a lot less these days with the small filters than it was
> back in the days of the huge filters.
>
> Just be sure to use genuine Honda filters, and not an after-market
> filter, since the construction quality of most after-market filters is
> abysmal (especially the orange ones, but I won't name names).
thats not "most", that's "some". many oil filter brands are just great.
denso [who are an oem supplier], npn [who are an oem supplier],
champion labs [who do filters for mobil, bosch, and others.], etc. the
latter also make house brand filters for woolmort that sell for a
pittance. some of these after-market filters even have anti-drainback
valves that work, unlike some domestically sourced honda filters.
> My
> mechanic keeps a stock of Honda filters even though he pays 3x the
> price of the jobber filters ($3 versus $1).
>
> When Honda first started using 5W20 oil he couldn't get it from his oil
> distributor so he was buying it from the dealer, which was very
> expensive, even at the discounted price that they sell parts to
> independent garages. The parts guy at the Honda dealer told him that the
> dealer's service department didn't even use the 5W20, they used 5W30
> because it was cheaper. The independent shops have to be careful about
> not using the wrong oil since if there's an engine problem down the road
> they could have customers blaming them based on using the wrong oil
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> Just as people have decided to ignore the maintenance minder for oil
>> changes and do it on their own schedule, they're free to do so for the
>> filter, too.
>
> The fact is that the filter is just fine for two oil changes. This used
> to be the norm back in the olden days of 3000 mile oil changes, when a
> filter cost was much higher than the cost of the oil, and many more
> people did their own oil changes. An older filter won't let any more
> dirt through, but the flow rate will be very slightly reduced.
>
> I think most people change the filter at every oil change just because
> the cost of doing so is so low, but it's not necessary and provides no
> benefit. There's also the issue that the filter is holding some dirty
> oil, but it's a lot less these days with the small filters than it was
> back in the days of the huge filters.
>
> Just be sure to use genuine Honda filters, and not an after-market
> filter, since the construction quality of most after-market filters is
> abysmal (especially the orange ones, but I won't name names).
thats not "most", that's "some". many oil filter brands are just great.
denso [who are an oem supplier], npn [who are an oem supplier],
champion labs [who do filters for mobil, bosch, and others.], etc. the
latter also make house brand filters for woolmort that sell for a
pittance. some of these after-market filters even have anti-drainback
valves that work, unlike some domestically sourced honda filters.
> My
> mechanic keeps a stock of Honda filters even though he pays 3x the
> price of the jobber filters ($3 versus $1).
>
> When Honda first started using 5W20 oil he couldn't get it from his oil
> distributor so he was buying it from the dealer, which was very
> expensive, even at the discounted price that they sell parts to
> independent garages. The parts guy at the Honda dealer told him that the
> dealer's service department didn't even use the 5W20, they used 5W30
> because it was cheaper. The independent shops have to be careful about
> not using the wrong oil since if there's an engine problem down the road
> they could have customers blaming them based on using the wrong oil
09-01-2008, 11:21 PM
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Re: Honda's new oil change interval
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:13:14 -0700, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>nick@nowhere.com wrote:
>> Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
>> aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
>> the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
>> just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
>>
>> I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
>> be good for the engine.
>
>have you ever thought of having oil analysis done so that you don't
>/have/ to think? that's what honda did afterall...
>
>
>
>> While I do my own oil changes I thought I
>> would mention it to the group and find out from your repair shop the
>> next time you get it done.
>>
So Jim you are telling me that you personally would follow changing it
every other change? I for one rather spend the extra $5 for a filter
than $5k for a new engine. Honda just started this back in 2006 for
their MM cars. Time will tell just how well this recommendation is.
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>nick@nowhere.com wrote:
>> Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
>> aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
>> the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
>> just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
>>
>> I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
>> be good for the engine.
>
>have you ever thought of having oil analysis done so that you don't
>/have/ to think? that's what honda did afterall...
>
>
>
>> While I do my own oil changes I thought I
>> would mention it to the group and find out from your repair shop the
>> next time you get it done.
>>
So Jim you are telling me that you personally would follow changing it
every other change? I for one rather spend the extra $5 for a filter
than $5k for a new engine. Honda just started this back in 2006 for
their MM cars. Time will tell just how well this recommendation is.
09-01-2008, 11:45 PM
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Re: Honda's new oil change interval
nick@nowhere.com wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:13:14 -0700, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> nick@nowhere.com wrote:
>>> Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
>>> aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
>>> the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
>>> just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
>>>
>>> I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
>>> be good for the engine.
>> have you ever thought of having oil analysis done so that you don't
>> /have/ to think? that's what honda did afterall...
>>
>>
>>
>>> While I do my own oil changes I thought I
>>> would mention it to the group and find out from your repair shop the
>>> next time you get it done.
>>>
>
> So Jim you are telling me that you personally would follow changing it
> every other change?
effectively, yes. i'm on a 15+k mile service interval, based on oil
analysis, and i leave the same oil filter on for all that time.
> I for one rather spend the extra $5 for a filter
> than $5k for a new engine. Honda just started this back in 2006 for
> their MM cars. Time will tell just how well this recommendation is.
modern engine management and modern higher quality oils mean combustion
product load is less and the oil degrades less quickly, so the longer
intervals are entirely appropriate.
> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:13:14 -0700, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> nick@nowhere.com wrote:
>>> Not sure if anyone has posted this but I just wanted to make the group
>>> aware that with the new MM system, if you take your car to the dealer,
>>> the dealer is not obligated to replace the filter on the A1 changes,
>>> just the B1 changes. It's part of Honda's ecco-friendly image.
>>>
>>> I can't think that going 15k miles without changing the oil filter can
>>> be good for the engine.
>> have you ever thought of having oil analysis done so that you don't
>> /have/ to think? that's what honda did afterall...
>>
>>
>>
>>> While I do my own oil changes I thought I
>>> would mention it to the group and find out from your repair shop the
>>> next time you get it done.
>>>
>
> So Jim you are telling me that you personally would follow changing it
> every other change?
effectively, yes. i'm on a 15+k mile service interval, based on oil
analysis, and i leave the same oil filter on for all that time.
> I for one rather spend the extra $5 for a filter
> than $5k for a new engine. Honda just started this back in 2006 for
> their MM cars. Time will tell just how well this recommendation is.
modern engine management and modern higher quality oils mean combustion
product load is less and the oil degrades less quickly, so the longer
intervals are entirely appropriate.
09-07-2008, 01:00 AM
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In the old days it used to a filter every other oil change. So looks
like we're heading back again. No problems with that except filter
particle loading. It might have been better if Honda went with
cartridge style elements like on European cars -- less landfill
materials.
Mercedes, using oil monitor info, goes up to 20K miles, nominal 18K
miles; BMW up to 15K miles; VW/Audi up to 10K miles. Honda/GM up to
12K miles (w/ monitor). All Toyota/Lexus up to 5000 miles (!).
On Aug 30, 5:51 am, "tww1491" <twau...@***.net> wrote:
>
> As I recall, BMW calls for oil service at 15k on its cars.
like we're heading back again. No problems with that except filter
particle loading. It might have been better if Honda went with
cartridge style elements like on European cars -- less landfill
materials.
Mercedes, using oil monitor info, goes up to 20K miles, nominal 18K
miles; BMW up to 15K miles; VW/Audi up to 10K miles. Honda/GM up to
12K miles (w/ monitor). All Toyota/Lexus up to 5000 miles (!).
On Aug 30, 5:51 am, "tww1491" <twau...@***.net> wrote:
>
> As I recall, BMW calls for oil service at 15k on its cars.
09-09-2008, 02:59 PM
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On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:00:54 -0700 (PDT), johngdole@hotmail.com wrote:
>In the old days it used to a filter every other oil change. So looks
>like we're heading back again. No problems with that except filter
>particle loading. It might have been better if Honda went with
>cartridge style elements like on European cars -- less landfill
>materials.
>
>Mercedes, using oil monitor info, goes up to 20K miles, nominal 18K
>miles; BMW up to 15K miles; VW/Audi up to 10K miles. Honda/GM up to
>12K miles (w/ monitor). All Toyota/Lexus up to 5000 miles (!).
My local dealer likes to sell you a "minor service $150" for at least
every other A1 oil-change visit, but at least that includes the
filter!
>
>
>On Aug 30, 5:51 am, "tww1491" <twau...@***.net> wrote:
>>
>> As I recall, BMW calls for oil service at 15k on its cars.
>In the old days it used to a filter every other oil change. So looks
>like we're heading back again. No problems with that except filter
>particle loading. It might have been better if Honda went with
>cartridge style elements like on European cars -- less landfill
>materials.
>
>Mercedes, using oil monitor info, goes up to 20K miles, nominal 18K
>miles; BMW up to 15K miles; VW/Audi up to 10K miles. Honda/GM up to
>12K miles (w/ monitor). All Toyota/Lexus up to 5000 miles (!).
My local dealer likes to sell you a "minor service $150" for at least
every other A1 oil-change visit, but at least that includes the
filter!
>
>
>On Aug 30, 5:51 am, "tww1491" <twau...@***.net> wrote:
>>
>> As I recall, BMW calls for oil service at 15k on its cars.
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