Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
In article <NEgZm.57280$ZF3.16311@newsfe13.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net>
wrote: > Keep in mind too that > the Prius isn't really a midsize car: it qualifies as one because they > managed to stretch the interior space out just enough to earn the > designation. So, keep in mind that the Prius isn't really a midsize car; it qualifies as one only because it fits the size criteria for a midsize car??? What are you smoking? It fits the criteria for a midsize car, therefore it's a midsize car. What you're saying is that YOU disagree on the criteria for midsize cars. What YOU think is midsize is way different than how the manufacturers and governing bodies define midsize. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
Economically, generally no.
I compute the number of years it would take to pay off the difference between hybrid and non-bybrid economy car. With my habits I'd save 150 gallons a year. Thats a payoff of $400 to $600 per year or 6-10 years for the price difference. The Prius III in two years is supposed have better economics. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
In article <isqZm.84450$Wd1.8248@newsfe15.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net>
wrote: > > What you're saying is that YOU disagree on the criteria for midsize > > cars. What YOU think is midsize is way different than how the > > manufacturers and governing bodies define midsize. > > > No, I'm saying that it's lighter than a typical midsize car. Weight is not a criterion for the definition, therefore you can't say "it doesn't fit the defintion". > Did you > know that the defining criterion is interior room and nothing else? It > just squeaks in with enough interior space to be defined as "midsize." So what if it "just squeaks in"? There have to be limits; either it fits within those limits, or it doesn't. You appear to be saying that "yeah, well, it's at the lower end of those size limits, plus it doesn't weigh as much as what a traditional midsize car always has, therefore it's not really midsize". In other words, you disagree with the criteria that define "midsize". |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <SGgZm.57281$ZF3.48390@newsfe13.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> > wrote: > >> Ok, I have a '95 Civic EX sedan that isn't as roomy as a Prius, but >> gets 55mpg on the highway. > > US miles per US gallon? > > I had a 92 Civic that got 35mpg on the highway; several years into > owning that, I discovered that the speedeometer was wrong, and as a > result the odometer was wrong. Yes, US MPG, and the speedometer is within 1.5MPH. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <NEgZm.57280$ZF3.16311@newsfe13.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> > wrote: > >> Keep in mind too that >> the Prius isn't really a midsize car: it qualifies as one because they >> managed to stretch the interior space out just enough to earn the >> designation. > > So, keep in mind that the Prius isn't really a midsize car; it qualifies > as one only because it fits the size criteria for a midsize car??? > > What are you smoking? It fits the criteria for a midsize car, therefore > it's a midsize car. > > What you're saying is that YOU disagree on the criteria for midsize > cars. What YOU think is midsize is way different than how the > manufacturers and governing bodies define midsize. No, I'm saying that it's lighter than a typical midsize car. Did you know that the defining criterion is interior room and nothing else? It just squeaks in with enough interior space to be defined as "midsize." IIRC, the old Volvo 240, with its larger size but smaller interior, was a "compact." |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
On 12/25/2009 09:53 PM, Leftie wrote:
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >> In article <dw4Zm.2757$pA1.482@newsfe17.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> >> wrote: >> >>>> There's more to the Prius than just managing kinetic energy. No car >>>> of similar size and feature set is capable of getting over 50mpg on >>>> the highway, or anywhere near 50mpg. >>> >>> No, but there are cars of similar size that will get 40mpg highway >>> and are substantially cheaper (like a Jetta diesel), so there is no >>> payback of the difference. >> >> Have you ever owned a VW? >> >> 'Nuff said. They're absolute pieces of junk. I wouldn't drive one if >> you gave it to me and paid for all gas, maintenance, insurance, and >> repairs. > > > Ok, I have a '95 Civic EX sedan that isn't as roomy as a Prius, but gets > 55mpg on the highway. i call bullshit. i keep fuel records of all my cars, and the best you'll get out of the ex is maybe 45, on a good day, flat road, following wind, skinny tires, 55mph. the hx can do that, if it's been well maintained, but not the ex. > It isn't rocket science: actually, it is. > cars got better fuel > economy in the '80's, yes, and economy has declined since then. > before they started to make them larger and faster > than necessary. no, heavier. remember your 95 ex? you check the weight of that and compare it to earlier generations. > The Prius is in some ways just a return to '80's design > philosophy: efficiency and quality over acceleration. more bullshit - you evidently haven't driven a prius. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
In article <VsidnfLbwa3RzqvWnZ2dnUVZ_vFi4p2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote: > > Ok, I have a '95 Civic EX sedan that isn't as roomy as a Prius, but gets > > 55mpg on the highway. > > i call bullshit. yeah, me too. On the internet, no one knows you're a dog. My '92 Civic couldn't get 55mpg going downhill with a tailwind unless the engine was off. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
On 12/26/2009 04:22 PM, Leftie wrote:
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >> In article <VsidnfLbwa3RzqvWnZ2dnUVZ_vFi4p2d@speakeasy.net> , >> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote: >> >>>> Ok, I have a '95 Civic EX sedan that isn't as roomy as a Prius, but >>>> gets >>>> 55mpg on the highway. >>> i call bullshit. >> >> yeah, me too. >> >> On the internet, no one knows you're a dog. >> >> My '92 Civic couldn't get 55mpg going downhill with a tailwind unless >> the engine was off. > > > Then believe I get 35mpg in the city if you like, because I average > 36-45mpg per tankful. Usually it's 37 in Winter and 41 in Summer. > Personally I think it's much more likely I get 55mpg highway, with a 1.6 > liter engine spinning at about 2200 RPM. Your reality may vary. you're still bullshitting dude. or you've made serial accidental typos. or you can't do math. take at least 10mpg off those numbers and you'll be closer to the truth. oh, and check your gear ratios for your 55mph speed - you're not pulling 2200rpm. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
In article <WLadnaN235RrAavWnZ2dnUVZ_rVi4p2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote: > > Then believe I get 35mpg in the city if you like, because I average > > 36-45mpg per tankful. Usually it's 37 in Winter and 41 in Summer. > > Personally I think it's much more likely I get 55mpg highway, with a 1.6 > > liter engine spinning at about 2200 RPM. Your reality may vary. > > you're still bullshitting dude. or you've made serial accidental typos. > or you can't do math. > > take at least 10mpg off those numbers and you'll be closer to the truth. > > oh, and check your gear ratios for your 55mph speed - you're not pulling > 2200rpm. he's GOT to understand he's talking to people who DRIVE these cars, and know what they do. 2200rpm in fifth on my 92 Si (same engine/trans as EX) was nowhere near highway speeds. In fifth gear I was (this is from memory) at least 3000rpm, maybe 3300rpm, on the highway--minimum. I got 35 on the highway without much trouble, but that was about it. I think one time, trying, I got to 41--in good weather, no AC, no hills, taking it very easy. 55? Not on your life. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <isqZm.84450$Wd1.8248@newsfe15.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> > wrote: > >>> What you're saying is that YOU disagree on the criteria for midsize >>> cars. What YOU think is midsize is way different than how the >>> manufacturers and governing bodies define midsize. >> >> No, I'm saying that it's lighter than a typical midsize car. > > Weight is not a criterion for the definition, therefore you can't say > "it doesn't fit the defintion". > > >> Did you >> know that the defining criterion is interior room and nothing else? It >> just squeaks in with enough interior space to be defined as "midsize." > > So what if it "just squeaks in"? There have to be limits; either it > fits within those limits, or it doesn't. > > You appear to be saying that "yeah, well, it's at the lower end of those > size limits, plus it doesn't weigh as much as what a traditional midsize > car always has, therefore it's not really midsize". > > In other words, you disagree with the criteria that define "midsize". In other words, I think that *most people* would disagree with the definition, so their perceptions of what is and isn't a "midsize" car matter. My whole point is that the Prius isn't a fantastically efficient middle-sized car; it's a very efficient compact car with lots of interior space. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <VsidnfLbwa3RzqvWnZ2dnUVZ_vFi4p2d@speakeasy.net> , > jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote: > >>> Ok, I have a '95 Civic EX sedan that isn't as roomy as a Prius, but gets >>> 55mpg on the highway. >> i call bullshit. > > yeah, me too. > > On the internet, no one knows you're a dog. > > My '92 Civic couldn't get 55mpg going downhill with a tailwind unless > the engine was off. Then believe I get 35mpg in the city if you like, because I average 36-45mpg per tankful. Usually it's 37 in Winter and 41 in Summer. Personally I think it's much more likely I get 55mpg highway, with a 1.6 liter engine spinning at about 2200 RPM. Your reality may vary. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <SGgZm.57281$ZF3.48390@newsfe13.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> > wrote: > >> Ok, I have a '95 Civic EX sedan that isn't as roomy as a Prius, but >> gets 55mpg on the highway. > > US miles per US gallon? > > I had a 92 Civic that got 35mpg on the highway; several years into > owning that, I discovered that the speedeometer was wrong, and as a > result the odometer was wrong. Yes, US miles per gallon. Difference between my Gen II and a '92 (Gen IV) is weight and horsepower. JT |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <WLadnaN235RrAavWnZ2dnUVZ_rVi4p2d@speakeasy.net> , > jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote: > >>> Then believe I get 35mpg in the city if you like, because I average >>> 36-45mpg per tankful. Usually it's 37 in Winter and 41 in Summer. >>> Personally I think it's much more likely I get 55mpg highway, with a 1.6 >>> liter engine spinning at about 2200 RPM. Your reality may vary. >> you're still bullshitting dude. or you've made serial accidental typos. >> or you can't do math. >> >> take at least 10mpg off those numbers and you'll be closer to the truth. >> >> oh, and check your gear ratios for your 55mph speed - you're not pulling >> 2200rpm. > > he's GOT to understand he's talking to people who DRIVE these cars, and > know what they do. > > 2200rpm in fifth on my 92 Si (same engine/trans as EX) was nowhere near > highway speeds. In fifth gear I was (this is from memory) at least > 3000rpm, maybe 3300rpm, on the highway--minimum. > > I got 35 on the highway without much trouble, but that was about it. I > think one time, trying, I got to 41--in good weather, no AC, no hills, > taking it very easy. > > 55? Not on your life. Man, you guys give shade tree mechanics a bad name. First, the Si and EX sedan for '95 aren't very bloody likely to have the exact same drivetrain: my Ca.-spec car can barely get out of its own way in third, and it *does* turn at 2200 RPM at 55mph in 5th. In fact, both 5th *and* 4th gears are overdrives. It's rated at about 126HP, IIRC, and that's only if you rev it near the redline. The Si has to be putting out more power, and certainly has lower gearing as well, or it too is a slow car. Second, reports of 37mpg per tankful with this generation Civic are very common, including the ones with automatics. You boys just don't know how to drive for economy. Your brains are concentrated in one foot. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
In article <FRFZm.4788$5i2.236@newsfe14.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net>
wrote: > First, the Si > and EX sedan for '95 aren't very bloody likely to have the exact same > drivetrain: Yes, they did. "Not likely to" means you don't know--but don't come in here and try to tell us that what you don't know must or must not be factual. |
Re: is hybrid better than normal car?
On 2009-12-27, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <FRFZm.4788$5i2.236@newsfe14.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> > wrote: > >> First, the Si >> and EX sedan for '95 aren't very bloody likely to have the exact same >> drivetrain: > > Yes, they did. > > "Not likely to" means you don't know--but don't come in here and try to > tell us that what you don't know must or must not be factual. From motortrend.com: 95 Civic Si: 1,590 cc 1.6 liters 4 in-line front transverse engine with 75 mm bore, 90 mm stroke, 9.2 compression ratio, overhead cam and four valves per cylinder Power: 93 kW , 125 HP @ 6,600 rpm; 106 ft lb @ 5,200 rpm 95 Civic EX Sedan: 1,590 cc 1.6 liters 4 in-line front transverse engine with 75 mm bore, 90 mm stroke, 9.2 compression ratio, overhead cam and four valves per cylinder Power: SAE and 93 kW , 125 HP @ 6,600 rpm; 106 ft lb , 144 Nm @ 5,200 rpm Looks pretty close to me... -- Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
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