injectors cleaning
 

Hello,

I was chatting with a coworker who told me that all cars need cleaning
of the injectors every 30 to 60k. Heck, I have a 98 Civic and a 2000
Civic and, to me, they run perfectly well with about 100k miles on
them.

Isn't it that if anything goes wrong with the engine (including
clogged injectors), then the mileage will drop? Both cars exhibited a
mileage increase from day zero to up to about 3 years of use, then
stabilized to about 34-36mpg for 50/50 city/highway driving.

So, is it true that sooner or later the servicing will have to include
injector cleaning or is my mate bs-ing?

Thanks

Re: injectors cleaning
 

gigelus2k3 <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1183167387.084129.22560@m37g2000prh.googlegro ups.com:

> Hello,
>
> I was chatting with a coworker who told me that all cars need cleaning
> of the injectors every 30 to 60k.



no.



> Heck, I have a 98 Civic and a 2000
> Civic and, to me, they run perfectly well with about 100k miles on
> them.
>
> Isn't it that if anything goes wrong with the engine (including
> clogged injectors), then the mileage will drop?



Yes, that much is true.



> Both cars exhibited a
> mileage increase from day zero to up to about 3 years of use, then
> stabilized to about 34-36mpg for 50/50 city/highway driving.
>
> So, is it true that sooner or later the servicing will have to include
> injector cleaning or is my mate bs-ing?
>



He's BS'ing. Or just doesn't really know and is guessing.

Mileage drops, starting problems happen, *then* you do something with
the fuel. And even then most "fuel" problems are actually ignition
troubles...

Keep in mind you need to keep ACCURATE track of mileage over the course
of two years or so in order to see what your car is *really* like. Then
you see if that changes, which alerts you to problems. ACCURATE is the
keyword here! Don't just go by how many miles you get out of a "tank".

Modern fuels contain copious amounts of detergents. Injector problems
will arise if the car sits for extended periods, or is used almost
exclusively for short-hop city driving. Anything other than that and the
detergents will clear off the crud.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: injectors cleaning
 

gigelus2k3 <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1183167387.084129.22560@m37g2000prh.googlegro ups.com:

> Hello,
>
> I was chatting with a coworker who told me that all cars need cleaning
> of the injectors every 30 to 60k.



no.



> Heck, I have a 98 Civic and a 2000
> Civic and, to me, they run perfectly well with about 100k miles on
> them.
>
> Isn't it that if anything goes wrong with the engine (including
> clogged injectors), then the mileage will drop?



Yes, that much is true.



> Both cars exhibited a
> mileage increase from day zero to up to about 3 years of use, then
> stabilized to about 34-36mpg for 50/50 city/highway driving.
>
> So, is it true that sooner or later the servicing will have to include
> injector cleaning or is my mate bs-ing?
>



He's BS'ing. Or just doesn't really know and is guessing.

Mileage drops, starting problems happen, *then* you do something with
the fuel. And even then most "fuel" problems are actually ignition
troubles...

Keep in mind you need to keep ACCURATE track of mileage over the course
of two years or so in order to see what your car is *really* like. Then
you see if that changes, which alerts you to problems. ACCURATE is the
keyword here! Don't just go by how many miles you get out of a "tank".

Modern fuels contain copious amounts of detergents. Injector problems
will arise if the car sits for extended periods, or is used almost
exclusively for short-hop city driving. Anything other than that and the
detergents will clear off the crud.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: injectors cleaning
 

gigelus2k3 <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1183167387.084129.22560@m37g2000prh.googlegro ups.com:

> Hello,
>
> I was chatting with a coworker who told me that all cars need cleaning
> of the injectors every 30 to 60k.



no.



> Heck, I have a 98 Civic and a 2000
> Civic and, to me, they run perfectly well with about 100k miles on
> them.
>
> Isn't it that if anything goes wrong with the engine (including
> clogged injectors), then the mileage will drop?



Yes, that much is true.



> Both cars exhibited a
> mileage increase from day zero to up to about 3 years of use, then
> stabilized to about 34-36mpg for 50/50 city/highway driving.
>
> So, is it true that sooner or later the servicing will have to include
> injector cleaning or is my mate bs-ing?
>



He's BS'ing. Or just doesn't really know and is guessing.

Mileage drops, starting problems happen, *then* you do something with
the fuel. And even then most "fuel" problems are actually ignition
troubles...

Keep in mind you need to keep ACCURATE track of mileage over the course
of two years or so in order to see what your car is *really* like. Then
you see if that changes, which alerts you to problems. ACCURATE is the
keyword here! Don't just go by how many miles you get out of a "tank".

Modern fuels contain copious amounts of detergents. Injector problems
will arise if the car sits for extended periods, or is used almost
exclusively for short-hop city driving. Anything other than that and the
detergents will clear off the crud.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: injectors cleaning
 

On Jun 29, 6:55 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> Keep in mind you need to keep ACCURATE track of mileage over the course
> of two years or so in order to see what your car is *really* like. Then
> you see if that changes, which alerts you to problems. ACCURATE is the
> keyword here! Don't just go by how many miles you get out of a "tank".
>
> Modern fuels contain copious amounts of detergents. Injector problems
> will arise if the car sits for extended periods, or is used almost
> exclusively for short-hop city driving. Anything other than that and the
> detergents will clear off the crud.

Except unusual situations, I always fill the tank up after 320-350
miles and carefully mark the odometer, tripmeter and gas amount.
Therefore, I have the whole mileage picture starting back from when
the odometer was reading single digit figures :-)

Re: injectors cleaning
 

On Jun 29, 6:55 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> Keep in mind you need to keep ACCURATE track of mileage over the course
> of two years or so in order to see what your car is *really* like. Then
> you see if that changes, which alerts you to problems. ACCURATE is the
> keyword here! Don't just go by how many miles you get out of a "tank".
>
> Modern fuels contain copious amounts of detergents. Injector problems
> will arise if the car sits for extended periods, or is used almost
> exclusively for short-hop city driving. Anything other than that and the
> detergents will clear off the crud.

Except unusual situations, I always fill the tank up after 320-350
miles and carefully mark the odometer, tripmeter and gas amount.
Therefore, I have the whole mileage picture starting back from when
the odometer was reading single digit figures :-)

Re: injectors cleaning
 

On Jun 29, 6:55 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> Keep in mind you need to keep ACCURATE track of mileage over the course
> of two years or so in order to see what your car is *really* like. Then
> you see if that changes, which alerts you to problems. ACCURATE is the
> keyword here! Don't just go by how many miles you get out of a "tank".
>
> Modern fuels contain copious amounts of detergents. Injector problems
> will arise if the car sits for extended periods, or is used almost
> exclusively for short-hop city driving. Anything other than that and the
> detergents will clear off the crud.

Except unusual situations, I always fill the tank up after 320-350
miles and carefully mark the odometer, tripmeter and gas amount.
Therefore, I have the whole mileage picture starting back from when
the odometer was reading single digit figures :-)

Re: injectors cleaning
 

gigelus2k3 <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1183169042.853384.284140@i38g2000prf.googlegr oups.com:

> On Jun 29, 6:55 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> Keep in mind you need to keep ACCURATE track of mileage over the course
>> of two years or so in order to see what your car is *really* like. Then
>> you see if that changes, which alerts you to problems. ACCURATE is the
>> keyword here! Don't just go by how many miles you get out of a "tank".
>>
>> Modern fuels contain copious amounts of detergents. Injector problems
>> will arise if the car sits for extended periods, or is used almost
>> exclusively for short-hop city driving. Anything other than that and the
>> detergents will clear off the crud.
>
> Except unusual situations, I always fill the tank up after 320-350
> miles and carefully mark the odometer, tripmeter and gas amount.
> Therefore, I have the whole mileage picture starting back from when
> the odometer was reading single digit figures :-)
>
>


Then you should be able to tell very readily whether or not you need
janitorial service on your fuel system, no?

--

Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: injectors cleaning
 

gigelus2k3 <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1183169042.853384.284140@i38g2000prf.googlegr oups.com:

> On Jun 29, 6:55 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> Keep in mind you need to keep ACCURATE track of mileage over the course
>> of two years or so in order to see what your car is *really* like. Then
>> you see if that changes, which alerts you to problems. ACCURATE is the
>> keyword here! Don't just go by how many miles you get out of a "tank".
>>
>> Modern fuels contain copious amounts of detergents. Injector problems
>> will arise if the car sits for extended periods, or is used almost
>> exclusively for short-hop city driving. Anything other than that and the
>> detergents will clear off the crud.
>
> Except unusual situations, I always fill the tank up after 320-350
> miles and carefully mark the odometer, tripmeter and gas amount.
> Therefore, I have the whole mileage picture starting back from when
> the odometer was reading single digit figures :-)
>
>


Then you should be able to tell very readily whether or not you need
janitorial service on your fuel system, no?

--

Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: injectors cleaning
 

gigelus2k3 <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1183169042.853384.284140@i38g2000prf.googlegr oups.com:

> On Jun 29, 6:55 pm, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> Keep in mind you need to keep ACCURATE track of mileage over the course
>> of two years or so in order to see what your car is *really* like. Then
>> you see if that changes, which alerts you to problems. ACCURATE is the
>> keyword here! Don't just go by how many miles you get out of a "tank".
>>
>> Modern fuels contain copious amounts of detergents. Injector problems
>> will arise if the car sits for extended periods, or is used almost
>> exclusively for short-hop city driving. Anything other than that and the
>> detergents will clear off the crud.
>
> Except unusual situations, I always fill the tank up after 320-350
> miles and carefully mark the odometer, tripmeter and gas amount.
> Therefore, I have the whole mileage picture starting back from when
> the odometer was reading single digit figures :-)
>
>


Then you should be able to tell very readily whether or not you need
janitorial service on your fuel system, no?

--

Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: injectors cleaning
 

gigelus2k3 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was chatting with a coworker who told me that all cars need cleaning
> of the injectors every 30 to 60k. Heck, I have a 98 Civic and a 2000
> Civic and, to me, they run perfectly well with about 100k miles on
> them.
>
> Isn't it that if anything goes wrong with the engine (including
> clogged injectors), then the mileage will drop? Both cars exhibited a
> mileage increase from day zero to up to about 3 years of use, then
> stabilized to about 34-36mpg for 50/50 city/highway driving.
>
> So, is it true that sooner or later the servicing will have to include
> injector cleaning or is my mate bs-ing?
>
> Thanks
>
not b.s. yes, cleaning can help problems like leaky injectors and to
some degree, excess carbon in egr systems.

detergent content varies by gasoline brand. stick to good brands,
preferably "tier one".

you can also run cleaner through the system yourself for minimal cost.
avoid the "flush" service sold by places like monkey lube.

Re: injectors cleaning
 

gigelus2k3 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was chatting with a coworker who told me that all cars need cleaning
> of the injectors every 30 to 60k. Heck, I have a 98 Civic and a 2000
> Civic and, to me, they run perfectly well with about 100k miles on
> them.
>
> Isn't it that if anything goes wrong with the engine (including
> clogged injectors), then the mileage will drop? Both cars exhibited a
> mileage increase from day zero to up to about 3 years of use, then
> stabilized to about 34-36mpg for 50/50 city/highway driving.
>
> So, is it true that sooner or later the servicing will have to include
> injector cleaning or is my mate bs-ing?
>
> Thanks
>
not b.s. yes, cleaning can help problems like leaky injectors and to
some degree, excess carbon in egr systems.

detergent content varies by gasoline brand. stick to good brands,
preferably "tier one".

you can also run cleaner through the system yourself for minimal cost.
avoid the "flush" service sold by places like monkey lube.

Re: injectors cleaning
 

gigelus2k3 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was chatting with a coworker who told me that all cars need cleaning
> of the injectors every 30 to 60k. Heck, I have a 98 Civic and a 2000
> Civic and, to me, they run perfectly well with about 100k miles on
> them.
>
> Isn't it that if anything goes wrong with the engine (including
> clogged injectors), then the mileage will drop? Both cars exhibited a
> mileage increase from day zero to up to about 3 years of use, then
> stabilized to about 34-36mpg for 50/50 city/highway driving.
>
> So, is it true that sooner or later the servicing will have to include
> injector cleaning or is my mate bs-ing?
>
> Thanks
>
not b.s. yes, cleaning can help problems like leaky injectors and to
some degree, excess carbon in egr systems.

detergent content varies by gasoline brand. stick to good brands,
preferably "tier one".

you can also run cleaner through the system yourself for minimal cost.
avoid the "flush" service sold by places like monkey lube.

Re: injectors cleaning
 

Run some FI cleaner through that baby once in a while. I prefer the Chevron
stuff available at Costco for about $120 for a case of 4. Buy it at the
station and its about $8 a bottle!

G-Man


"gigelus2k3" <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183167387.084129.22560@m37g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
> Hello,
>
> I was chatting with a coworker who told me that all cars need cleaning
> of the injectors every 30 to 60k. Heck, I have a 98 Civic and a 2000
> Civic and, to me, they run perfectly well with about 100k miles on
> them.
>
> Isn't it that if anything goes wrong with the engine (including
> clogged injectors), then the mileage will drop? Both cars exhibited a
> mileage increase from day zero to up to about 3 years of use, then
> stabilized to about 34-36mpg for 50/50 city/highway driving.
>
> So, is it true that sooner or later the servicing will have to include
> injector cleaning or is my mate bs-ing?
>
> Thanks
>

Re: injectors cleaning
 

Run some FI cleaner through that baby once in a while. I prefer the Chevron
stuff available at Costco for about $120 for a case of 4. Buy it at the
station and its about $8 a bottle!

G-Man


"gigelus2k3" <popescu.serban@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183167387.084129.22560@m37g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
> Hello,
>
> I was chatting with a coworker who told me that all cars need cleaning
> of the injectors every 30 to 60k. Heck, I have a 98 Civic and a 2000
> Civic and, to me, they run perfectly well with about 100k miles on
> them.
>
> Isn't it that if anything goes wrong with the engine (including
> clogged injectors), then the mileage will drop? Both cars exhibited a
> mileage increase from day zero to up to about 3 years of use, then
> stabilized to about 34-36mpg for 50/50 city/highway driving.
>
> So, is it true that sooner or later the servicing will have to include
> injector cleaning or is my mate bs-ing?
>
> Thanks
>