Ray

My brake pedal goes below the level of my accelerator at times.
Pumping doesn't seem to do anything. I've had it checked about three
times. There is some relief when they readjust the emergency brake,
but only for a couple of days. I was told this condition is ok, but
it's dangerous! When you move from the accelerator to the brake, it's
very easy to press both down at the same time. Additionally, I swear
it seems the brake is actually hitting the floor, on occasion. It
stops, but I really get worried it's not going to stop.

Anyone else had these experiences? If so, and it was corrected, I'd
sure appreciate your input. Heck, I'd appreciate anyone's input, if
they can help. Thanks

Brian Smith

"Ray" <stilllost@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> My brake pedal goes below the level of my accelerator at times.
> Pumping doesn't seem to do anything. I've had it checked about three
> times. There is some relief when they readjust the emergency brake,
> but only for a couple of days. I was told this condition is ok, but
> it's dangerous! When you move from the accelerator to the brake, it's
> very easy to press both down at the same time. Additionally, I swear
> it seems the brake is actually hitting the floor, on occasion. It
> stops, but I really get worried it's not going to stop.
>
> Anyone else had these experiences? If so, and it was corrected, I'd
> sure appreciate your input. Heck, I'd appreciate anyone's input, if
> they can help. Thanks

Have you checked the brake fluid level in the system?

Tegger

Ray <stilllost@comcast.net> wrote in
news:7bgdj39rm14f504e9b6svrd5t1qlpbvkpt@4ax.com:

> My brake pedal goes below the level of my accelerator at times.
> Pumping doesn't seem to do anything. I've had it checked about three
> times. There is some relief when they readjust the emergency brake,
> but only for a couple of days. I was told this condition is ok, but
> it's dangerous! When you move from the accelerator to the brake, it's
> very easy to press both down at the same time. Additionally, I swear
> it seems the brake is actually hitting the floor, on occasion. It
> stops, but I really get worried it's not going to stop.
>
> Anyone else had these experiences? If so, and it was corrected, I'd
> sure appreciate your input. Heck, I'd appreciate anyone's input, if
> they can help. Thanks



Your long pedal travel is a consequence of poor or inept
maintenance/servicing practices.

Have the fluid bled with new. You may have air in the system.

Do you have aftermarket pads? They can cause longer-than-normal pedal
travel due to poorly-formulated friction materials.


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TomP

Tegger wrote:

> Ray <stilllost@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:7bgdj39rm14f504e9b6svrd5t1qlpbvkpt@4ax.com:
>
> > My brake pedal goes below the level of my accelerator at times.
> > Pumping doesn't seem to do anything. I've had it checked about three
> > times. There is some relief when they readjust the emergency brake,
> > but only for a couple of days. I was told this condition is ok, but
> > it's dangerous! When you move from the accelerator to the brake, it's
> > very easy to press both down at the same time. Additionally, I swear
> > it seems the brake is actually hitting the floor, on occasion. It
> > stops, but I really get worried it's not going to stop.
> >
> > Anyone else had these experiences? If so, and it was corrected, I'd
> > sure appreciate your input. Heck, I'd appreciate anyone's input, if
> > they can help. Thanks
>
> Your long pedal travel is a consequence of poor or inept
> maintenance/servicing practices.
>
> Have the fluid bled with new. You may have air in the system.
>
> Do you have aftermarket pads? They can cause longer-than-normal pedal
> travel due to poorly-formulated friction materials.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/


This could also be the ABS modulator.
Does the pedal feel better after the ABS has activated?
If so, the ABS modulator is faulty.

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Tegger

TomP <---roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote in
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>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>

>>
>> Do you have aftermarket pads? They can cause longer-than-normal pedal
>> travel due to poorly-formulated friction materials.
>>
>>
>
>
> This could also be the ABS modulator.
> Does the pedal feel better after the ABS has activated?
> If so, the ABS modulator is faulty.
>


How do you figure that?


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jim beam

Tegger wrote:
> TomP <---roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote in
> news:47373330.DC17156B@socal.rr.com:
>
>>
>> Tegger wrote:
>>
>
>>> Do you have aftermarket pads? They can cause longer-than-normal pedal
>>> travel due to poorly-formulated friction materials.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This could also be the ABS modulator.
>> Does the pedal feel better after the ABS has activated?
>> If so, the ABS modulator is faulty.
>>
>
>
> How do you figure that?
>
>
he doesn't - it's just an uninformed guess.

jim beam

Ray wrote:
> My brake pedal goes below the level of my accelerator at times.
> Pumping doesn't seem to do anything. I've had it checked about three
> times. There is some relief when they readjust the emergency brake,
> but only for a couple of days.

if the self-adjusters are working properly, that wouldn't make any
difference.

> I was told this condition is ok, but
> it's dangerous! When you move from the accelerator to the brake, it's
> very easy to press both down at the same time. Additionally, I swear
> it seems the brake is actually hitting the floor, on occasion. It
> stops, but I really get worried it's not going to stop.
>
> Anyone else had these experiences? If so, and it was corrected, I'd
> sure appreciate your input. Heck, I'd appreciate anyone's input, if
> they can help. Thanks

you either have air in the system, or your master cylinder is leaking.
either way, take it to a repair shop that knows what they're doing and
get this fixed asap. your current shop obviously doesn't. this is a
safety issue - pay the extra money if that's what it takes to have it
done right.

Tegger

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:8OOdnbrs163h3qranZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Tegger wrote:
>> TomP <---roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote in
>> news:47373330.DC17156B@socal.rr.com:
>>
>>>
>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> Do you have aftermarket pads? They can cause longer-than-normal pedal
>>>> travel due to poorly-formulated friction materials.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> This could also be the ABS modulator.
>>> Does the pedal feel better after the ABS has activated?
>>> If so, the ABS modulator is faulty.
>>>
>>
>>
>> How do you figure that?
>>
>>
> he doesn't - it's just an uninformed guess.
>


Considering the ABS is just a pass-through until activated, that's why I
asked.

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Ray

I've had it checked, bled, brakes adjusted and changed in a very
reputable shop. Also had it checked by local Honda dealer. All act
like it is normal. Maybe it is, but I've owned many cars in the last
51 years. It wasn't normal in any of the other cars I've owned.

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:05:46 -0800, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

>Ray wrote:
>> My brake pedal goes below the level of my accelerator at times.
>> Pumping doesn't seem to do anything. I've had it checked about three
>> times. There is some relief when they readjust the emergency brake,
>> but only for a couple of days.
>
>if the self-adjusters are working properly, that wouldn't make any
>difference.
>
>> I was told this condition is ok, but
>> it's dangerous! When you move from the accelerator to the brake, it's
>> very easy to press both down at the same time. Additionally, I swear
>> it seems the brake is actually hitting the floor, on occasion. It
>> stops, but I really get worried it's not going to stop.
>>
>> Anyone else had these experiences? If so, and it was corrected, I'd
>> sure appreciate your input. Heck, I'd appreciate anyone's input, if
>> they can help. Thanks
>
>you either have air in the system, or your master cylinder is leaking.
>either way, take it to a repair shop that knows what they're doing and
>get this fixed asap. your current shop obviously doesn't. this is a
>safety issue - pay the extra money if that's what it takes to have it
>done right.

jim beam

Ray wrote:
> I've had it checked, bled, brakes adjusted and changed in a very
> reputable shop. Also had it checked by local Honda dealer. All act
> like it is normal. Maybe it is, but I've owned many cars in the last
> 51 years. It wasn't normal in any of the other cars I've owned.

ok. let's be more specific about the symptoms then. if you have a slow
leak, light pedal pressure can indeed cause the pedal to sink to the
floor. the reason is that the seal isn't forced to conform to the
cylinder wall and thus fluid can squeeze on by. but when stomped on, it
seals just fine because the higher initial pressure forces the rubber to
conform, thus it seals, thus it doesn't leak. and this is what happens
with an inexperienced tech - they sit down, stomp on the pedal, "there's
no problem", you get charged, and nothing is fixed.

is that your experience?

>
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:05:46 -0800, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Ray wrote:
>>> My brake pedal goes below the level of my accelerator at times.
>>> Pumping doesn't seem to do anything. I've had it checked about three
>>> times. There is some relief when they readjust the emergency brake,
>>> but only for a couple of days.
>> if the self-adjusters are working properly, that wouldn't make any
>> difference.
>>
>>> I was told this condition is ok, but
>>> it's dangerous! When you move from the accelerator to the brake, it's
>>> very easy to press both down at the same time. Additionally, I swear
>>> it seems the brake is actually hitting the floor, on occasion. It
>>> stops, but I really get worried it's not going to stop.
>>>
>>> Anyone else had these experiences? If so, and it was corrected, I'd
>>> sure appreciate your input. Heck, I'd appreciate anyone's input, if
>>> they can help. Thanks
>> you either have air in the system, or your master cylinder is leaking.
>> either way, take it to a repair shop that knows what they're doing and
>> get this fixed asap. your current shop obviously doesn't. this is a
>> safety issue - pay the extra money if that's what it takes to have it
>> done right.

Ray

I've had them test drive it and I suspected they might not be checking
it correctly. I then took the technician out and showed him what was
happening.....I don't know. Maybe I'm just over reacting to this, but
I am very worried I'm going to lose those brakes, at any time.

Are there any 2000 Ody owners that can let me know how far down their
brake pedal goes, in relation to the accelerator?

stilllost

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:38:58 -0800, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

>Ray wrote:
>> I've had it checked, bled, brakes adjusted and changed in a very
>> reputable shop. Also had it checked by local Honda dealer. All act
>> like it is normal. Maybe it is, but I've owned many cars in the last
>> 51 years. It wasn't normal in any of the other cars I've owned.
>
>ok. let's be more specific about the symptoms then. if you have a slow
>leak, light pedal pressure can indeed cause the pedal to sink to the
>floor. the reason is that the seal isn't forced to conform to the
>cylinder wall and thus fluid can squeeze on by. but when stomped on, it
>seals just fine because the higher initial pressure forces the rubber to
>conform, thus it seals, thus it doesn't leak. and this is what happens
>with an inexperienced tech - they sit down, stomp on the pedal, "there's
>no problem", you get charged, and nothing is fixed.
>
>is that your experience?
>
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:05:46 -0800, jim beam
>> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ray wrote:
>>>> My brake pedal goes below the level of my accelerator at times.
>>>> Pumping doesn't seem to do anything. I've had it checked about three
>>>> times. There is some relief when they readjust the emergency brake,
>>>> but only for a couple of days.
>>> if the self-adjusters are working properly, that wouldn't make any
>>> difference.
>>>
>>>> I was told this condition is ok, but
>>>> it's dangerous! When you move from the accelerator to the brake, it's
>>>> very easy to press both down at the same time. Additionally, I swear
>>>> it seems the brake is actually hitting the floor, on occasion. It
>>>> stops, but I really get worried it's not going to stop.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else had these experiences? If so, and it was corrected, I'd
>>>> sure appreciate your input. Heck, I'd appreciate anyone's input, if
>>>> they can help. Thanks
>>> you either have air in the system, or your master cylinder is leaking.
>>> either way, take it to a repair shop that knows what they're doing and
>>> get this fixed asap. your current shop obviously doesn't. this is a
>>> safety issue - pay the extra money if that's what it takes to have it
>>> done right.

jim beam

Ray wrote:
> I've had them test drive it and I suspected they might not be checking
> it correctly. I then took the technician out and showed him what was
> happening.....I don't know. Maybe I'm just over reacting to this, but
> I am very worried I'm going to lose those brakes, at any time.

i told you what the problem is - get it fixed. and if your "reputable"
technician thinks they can fix a problem like this on a honda by
adjusting the parking brakes, they're worse then useless. never ever
use them again.

to repeat, get this fixed. pony up, take it to the dealer, and tell
them to replace the master cylinder.



>
> Are there any 2000 Ody owners that can let me know how far down their
> brake pedal goes, in relation to the accelerator?
>
> stilllost
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:38:58 -0800, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Ray wrote:
>>> I've had it checked, bled, brakes adjusted and changed in a very
>>> reputable shop. Also had it checked by local Honda dealer. All act
>>> like it is normal. Maybe it is, but I've owned many cars in the last
>>> 51 years. It wasn't normal in any of the other cars I've owned.
>> ok. let's be more specific about the symptoms then. if you have a slow
>> leak, light pedal pressure can indeed cause the pedal to sink to the
>> floor. the reason is that the seal isn't forced to conform to the
>> cylinder wall and thus fluid can squeeze on by. but when stomped on, it
>> seals just fine because the higher initial pressure forces the rubber to
>> conform, thus it seals, thus it doesn't leak. and this is what happens
>> with an inexperienced tech - they sit down, stomp on the pedal, "there's
>> no problem", you get charged, and nothing is fixed.
>>
>> is that your experience?
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:05:46 -0800, jim beam
>>> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ray wrote:
>>>>> My brake pedal goes below the level of my accelerator at times.
>>>>> Pumping doesn't seem to do anything. I've had it checked about three
>>>>> times. There is some relief when they readjust the emergency brake,
>>>>> but only for a couple of days.
>>>> if the self-adjusters are working properly, that wouldn't make any
>>>> difference.
>>>>
>>>>> I was told this condition is ok, but
>>>>> it's dangerous! When you move from the accelerator to the brake, it's
>>>>> very easy to press both down at the same time. Additionally, I swear
>>>>> it seems the brake is actually hitting the floor, on occasion. It
>>>>> stops, but I really get worried it's not going to stop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else had these experiences? If so, and it was corrected, I'd
>>>>> sure appreciate your input. Heck, I'd appreciate anyone's input, if
>>>>> they can help. Thanks
>>>> you either have air in the system, or your master cylinder is leaking.
>>>> either way, take it to a repair shop that knows what they're doing and
>>>> get this fixed asap. your current shop obviously doesn't. this is a
>>>> safety issue - pay the extra money if that's what it takes to have it
>>>> done right.