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Re: Modifications
On Apr 23, 5:32 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Jim Yanik wrote: > > Dano58 <dan.dibi...@gmail.com> wrote in > >news:1177345488.070621.174820@o5g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com: > > >> On Apr 22, 5:39 pm, "Ken" <ken.gip...@kraft.com> wrote: > >>> would a catback exhaust kit or an air intake modification kit void > >>> Honda's 3 year/36,000 mile warranty? Slso, how about a Spoiler add-on > >>> kit? > > >>> tia > >> Doesn't Honda make some of these items that you can add without > >> voiding the warranty? I know that Audi has a whole line of parts for > >> their cars. > > >> Dan D > >> '07 Ody EX > >> Central NJ USA > > > Same for Toyota. > > AFAIK,Honda doesn't do engine performance mods,but optional > > wheels,spoilers,yes. > > > I guess they figure,if you want "performance",you buy their CivicSI,an > > S2000,or void your warranty rolling your own. > > > I really miss the Prelude. Honda/Acura really does not make any cars that > > interest me anymore.They've gone bland. > > true. > > > IMO,they are missing the market by not making CRX and Prelude. > > indeed they are. a while back, i saw an article in the financial press > slamming honda for handing their cult following of the civic [and to a > lesser extent, prelude] to subaru on a plate. and they're right. honda i could not think of a single thing civic has in common with impreza of any kind. rex is essentially a muscle car that unlike mustang comes with the necessary hardware to put every bit of the power from the monster motor to the ground. civic si is a nicely balanced fun car with a carefully tuned suspension and communicative steering. something where impreza is greatly lacking. you'd drop the rex, put a stiff sway bar and retune the ecu and end up with a more expensive car that sucks in a similar way. you'd try to mod civic engine and end up detonating it or otherwise end up with an undrivable piece of with a fart can attached. i'm not sure what could you really tune about the car aside from the tire swap to improve performance on a rice racer budget. > don't make a single really tunable car these days. the civic [and crx > and integra and prelude] used to rock, but they day they abandoned > wishbones, they lost their market leadership. anyone seen an acura rsx > lately, or whatever the integra replacement was? what a flop.] they > were under challenge to some extent before as they were falling behind > in horsepower, but lower power /and/ macpherson struts? may as well buy > a subaru. or a toyota. the honda leadership that made that decision hmm, what subaru and toyota? I'm trying to think of a single fun car on a budget subayota makes. sti maybe? still more muscle and a front lsd to put even more prodigious amounds of power down. maybe if you want to(can) pay $33k and for some reason mitsubishi evo warranty stories don't impress you. > really had its head up its ass. i'm sure there were all kinds of > "financial" reasons for the decision, but the reality is, kids buy cars > they can tune, they become loyal, they grow up, have families, and buy > bigger more expensive cars of the same brand. no kids falling in love > with their first honda because it rocks, no brand loyalty. margins on ok the other way around: kids grow up become fat and complacent and want the cars with the family couch properties. or so the marketers think. if there was demand for celica toyolet would be still making that car don't you think? same with prelude and crx |
Re: Modifications
On Apr 23, 5:32 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Jim Yanik wrote: > > Dano58 <dan.dibi...@gmail.com> wrote in > >news:1177345488.070621.174820@o5g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com: > > >> On Apr 22, 5:39 pm, "Ken" <ken.gip...@kraft.com> wrote: > >>> would a catback exhaust kit or an air intake modification kit void > >>> Honda's 3 year/36,000 mile warranty? Slso, how about a Spoiler add-on > >>> kit? > > >>> tia > >> Doesn't Honda make some of these items that you can add without > >> voiding the warranty? I know that Audi has a whole line of parts for > >> their cars. > > >> Dan D > >> '07 Ody EX > >> Central NJ USA > > > Same for Toyota. > > AFAIK,Honda doesn't do engine performance mods,but optional > > wheels,spoilers,yes. > > > I guess they figure,if you want "performance",you buy their CivicSI,an > > S2000,or void your warranty rolling your own. > > > I really miss the Prelude. Honda/Acura really does not make any cars that > > interest me anymore.They've gone bland. > > true. > > > IMO,they are missing the market by not making CRX and Prelude. > > indeed they are. a while back, i saw an article in the financial press > slamming honda for handing their cult following of the civic [and to a > lesser extent, prelude] to subaru on a plate. and they're right. honda i could not think of a single thing civic has in common with impreza of any kind. rex is essentially a muscle car that unlike mustang comes with the necessary hardware to put every bit of the power from the monster motor to the ground. civic si is a nicely balanced fun car with a carefully tuned suspension and communicative steering. something where impreza is greatly lacking. you'd drop the rex, put a stiff sway bar and retune the ecu and end up with a more expensive car that sucks in a similar way. you'd try to mod civic engine and end up detonating it or otherwise end up with an undrivable piece of with a fart can attached. i'm not sure what could you really tune about the car aside from the tire swap to improve performance on a rice racer budget. > don't make a single really tunable car these days. the civic [and crx > and integra and prelude] used to rock, but they day they abandoned > wishbones, they lost their market leadership. anyone seen an acura rsx > lately, or whatever the integra replacement was? what a flop.] they > were under challenge to some extent before as they were falling behind > in horsepower, but lower power /and/ macpherson struts? may as well buy > a subaru. or a toyota. the honda leadership that made that decision hmm, what subaru and toyota? I'm trying to think of a single fun car on a budget subayota makes. sti maybe? still more muscle and a front lsd to put even more prodigious amounds of power down. maybe if you want to(can) pay $33k and for some reason mitsubishi evo warranty stories don't impress you. > really had its head up its ass. i'm sure there were all kinds of > "financial" reasons for the decision, but the reality is, kids buy cars > they can tune, they become loyal, they grow up, have families, and buy > bigger more expensive cars of the same brand. no kids falling in love > with their first honda because it rocks, no brand loyalty. margins on ok the other way around: kids grow up become fat and complacent and want the cars with the family couch properties. or so the marketers think. if there was demand for celica toyolet would be still making that car don't you think? same with prelude and crx |
Re: Modifications
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:07:34 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
> Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote in > news:1177345488.070621.174820@o5g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com: > >> On Apr 22, 5:39 pm, "Ken" <ken.gip...@kraft.com> wrote: >>> would a catback exhaust kit or an air intake modification kit void >>> Honda's 3 year/36,000 mile warranty? Slso, how about a Spoiler add-on >>> kit? >>> >>> tia >> >> Doesn't Honda make some of these items that you can add without voiding >> the warranty? I know that Audi has a whole line of parts for their cars. >> >> Dan D >> '07 Ody EX >> Central NJ USA >> >> >> > Same for Toyota. > AFAIK,Honda doesn't do engine performance mods,but optional > wheels,spoilers,yes. > > I guess they figure,if you want "performance",you buy their CivicSI,an > S2000,or void your warranty rolling your own. > > I really miss the Prelude. Honda/Acura really does not make any cars that > interest me anymore.They've gone bland. IMO,they are missing the market by > not making CRX and Prelude. Same with Toyota. They have dropped all the exciting cars for "Bread and Butter". But, all the people that were looking at the peppier Toyotas are now driving either Civics or Scions. As far as the parts problem, what about Mugen? They were Honda's in-house performance parts division. |
Re: Modifications
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:07:34 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
> Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote in > news:1177345488.070621.174820@o5g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com: > >> On Apr 22, 5:39 pm, "Ken" <ken.gip...@kraft.com> wrote: >>> would a catback exhaust kit or an air intake modification kit void >>> Honda's 3 year/36,000 mile warranty? Slso, how about a Spoiler add-on >>> kit? >>> >>> tia >> >> Doesn't Honda make some of these items that you can add without voiding >> the warranty? I know that Audi has a whole line of parts for their cars. >> >> Dan D >> '07 Ody EX >> Central NJ USA >> >> >> > Same for Toyota. > AFAIK,Honda doesn't do engine performance mods,but optional > wheels,spoilers,yes. > > I guess they figure,if you want "performance",you buy their CivicSI,an > S2000,or void your warranty rolling your own. > > I really miss the Prelude. Honda/Acura really does not make any cars that > interest me anymore.They've gone bland. IMO,they are missing the market by > not making CRX and Prelude. Same with Toyota. They have dropped all the exciting cars for "Bread and Butter". But, all the people that were looking at the peppier Toyotas are now driving either Civics or Scions. As far as the parts problem, what about Mugen? They were Honda's in-house performance parts division. |
Re: Modifications
The Current Si is nice. Buts its still just too cutsey for me. But that
is the formula thats kept the civic going strong all these years. Any Mugen style honda would most likely be overpriced IMO. If Honda had lets say a 2008 Civic Si Type Mugen. It would probably be in the $30 K range. Albeit would be a nice car. But I just like goal of the SRT program, low cost, high value for the dollar with good numbers. You get a true track ready budget racer that is faster than cars costing 2-3 times as much. And it boasts a 13.5-14 second 1/4 mile bone Stock w/stock tires. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_SRT-4 |
Re: Modifications
The Current Si is nice. Buts its still just too cutsey for me. But that
is the formula thats kept the civic going strong all these years. Any Mugen style honda would most likely be overpriced IMO. If Honda had lets say a 2008 Civic Si Type Mugen. It would probably be in the $30 K range. Albeit would be a nice car. But I just like goal of the SRT program, low cost, high value for the dollar with good numbers. You get a true track ready budget racer that is faster than cars costing 2-3 times as much. And it boasts a 13.5-14 second 1/4 mile bone Stock w/stock tires. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_SRT-4 |
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