Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

In article <5lc6e21vpc81jbbel4fvdvg7ilr4adavp9@4ax.com>,
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:

> >> Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
> >> to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
> >> switch.
> >
> >Why?
> >
> >Do you even know what "bait and switch" is? Or are you just another
> >ignoramus who's not getting what he wants in the world, and has to have
> >someone to blame something horrific on?
>
> Wow, you're a pretty nasty guy. I'm glad that I don't actually have to
> deal with you in real life.

What do you suppose your colleagues think when you say things like "I
don't like it--therefore it must be bait and switch!"

So just go about your life, spouting crap like that without knowing what
you're talking about.

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

dgk wrote:
> I must change the timing belt (I'm
> now at 94,000)

Shoot for 100K on the belt. It will make it unless you race the car on
weekends.
Good luck on the Fit. I saw a white one up close last week and decided
not to buy one. Too small for me. bob

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

dgk wrote:
> I must change the timing belt (I'm
> now at 94,000)

Shoot for 100K on the belt. It will make it unless you race the car on
weekends.
Good luck on the Fit. I saw a white one up close last week and decided
not to buy one. Too small for me. bob

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

dgk wrote:
> I must change the timing belt (I'm
> now at 94,000)

Shoot for 100K on the belt. It will make it unless you race the car on
weekends.
Good luck on the Fit. I saw a white one up close last week and decided
not to buy one. Too small for me. bob

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

dgk wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:29:25 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <m846e2l9ensc0taubjgliiglmp1um6kra1@4ax.com>,
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
>>> to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
>>> switch.
>> Why?
>>
>> Do you even know what "bait and switch" is? Or are you just another
>> ignoramus who's not getting what he wants in the world, and has to have
>> someone to blame something horrific on?
>
> Wow, you're a pretty nasty guy. I'm glad that I don't actually have to
> deal with you in real life.
>
you need to learn how to understand what elmo's actually telling you.
otherwise you'll be the loser in virtually every negotiation you ever
have. read elmo's post again - what he's saying is:

1. it's not bait & switch
2. you're not a victim unless you want to be.

the likely scenario, and the logical one if you bother to think about
it, is that the dealer's having trouble sourcing what you ordered, but
because of the delay is offering you an alternative. therefore, you now
have two options:

i. keep on waiting, or
ii. settle for a different color.

if you somehow misinterpret that as "bait & switch", it's your
[in]ability to deal with the situation that's the problem and you're
going to end up feeling screwed whatever the outcome.

get real, pay attention, make a decision and stick to it. assert what
you want and keep on asserting it until you get it. bleating about
being a victim before anything actually happens means you already are one.

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

dgk wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:29:25 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <m846e2l9ensc0taubjgliiglmp1um6kra1@4ax.com>,
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
>>> to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
>>> switch.
>> Why?
>>
>> Do you even know what "bait and switch" is? Or are you just another
>> ignoramus who's not getting what he wants in the world, and has to have
>> someone to blame something horrific on?
>
> Wow, you're a pretty nasty guy. I'm glad that I don't actually have to
> deal with you in real life.
>
you need to learn how to understand what elmo's actually telling you.
otherwise you'll be the loser in virtually every negotiation you ever
have. read elmo's post again - what he's saying is:

1. it's not bait & switch
2. you're not a victim unless you want to be.

the likely scenario, and the logical one if you bother to think about
it, is that the dealer's having trouble sourcing what you ordered, but
because of the delay is offering you an alternative. therefore, you now
have two options:

i. keep on waiting, or
ii. settle for a different color.

if you somehow misinterpret that as "bait & switch", it's your
[in]ability to deal with the situation that's the problem and you're
going to end up feeling screwed whatever the outcome.

get real, pay attention, make a decision and stick to it. assert what
you want and keep on asserting it until you get it. bleating about
being a victim before anything actually happens means you already are one.

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

dgk wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:29:25 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <m846e2l9ensc0taubjgliiglmp1um6kra1@4ax.com>,
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
>>> to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
>>> switch.
>> Why?
>>
>> Do you even know what "bait and switch" is? Or are you just another
>> ignoramus who's not getting what he wants in the world, and has to have
>> someone to blame something horrific on?
>
> Wow, you're a pretty nasty guy. I'm glad that I don't actually have to
> deal with you in real life.
>
you need to learn how to understand what elmo's actually telling you.
otherwise you'll be the loser in virtually every negotiation you ever
have. read elmo's post again - what he's saying is:

1. it's not bait & switch
2. you're not a victim unless you want to be.

the likely scenario, and the logical one if you bother to think about
it, is that the dealer's having trouble sourcing what you ordered, but
because of the delay is offering you an alternative. therefore, you now
have two options:

i. keep on waiting, or
ii. settle for a different color.

if you somehow misinterpret that as "bait & switch", it's your
[in]ability to deal with the situation that's the problem and you're
going to end up feeling screwed whatever the outcome.

get real, pay attention, make a decision and stick to it. assert what
you want and keep on asserting it until you get it. bleating about
being a victim before anything actually happens means you already are one.

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

John Horner wrote:
>
> dgk wrote:
> > Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
> > to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
> > switch. I don't think that they sell Fits at MSRP. I could try the
> > Storm Silver Metallic which looks pretty good.
> >
> > I have to make a decision pretty quickly since I'm going to need to
> > put money into my 91 Accord soon. I must change the timing belt (I'm
> > now at 94,000) and it needs so much other stuff. I'd do it if the rust
> > around the wheel wells wasn't so bad, but it is bad.
>
> It seems like Honda sometimes tells dealers what they will get rather
> than dealers or customers getting to order what they want. A strange
> way to do business, but with a sold-out hit like the Fit I guess they
> can get away with it.
>
> John



IIRC, VW back in the late 1950's was in the same position. Often, one
had to wait for the car of their choice or settle for what might be
available. I had a six week wait for my new (the only new car I ever
bought) '61 sunroof.

JT

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

John Horner wrote:
>
> dgk wrote:
> > Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
> > to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
> > switch. I don't think that they sell Fits at MSRP. I could try the
> > Storm Silver Metallic which looks pretty good.
> >
> > I have to make a decision pretty quickly since I'm going to need to
> > put money into my 91 Accord soon. I must change the timing belt (I'm
> > now at 94,000) and it needs so much other stuff. I'd do it if the rust
> > around the wheel wells wasn't so bad, but it is bad.
>
> It seems like Honda sometimes tells dealers what they will get rather
> than dealers or customers getting to order what they want. A strange
> way to do business, but with a sold-out hit like the Fit I guess they
> can get away with it.
>
> John



IIRC, VW back in the late 1950's was in the same position. Often, one
had to wait for the car of their choice or settle for what might be
available. I had a six week wait for my new (the only new car I ever
bought) '61 sunroof.

JT

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

John Horner wrote:
>
> dgk wrote:
> > Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
> > to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
> > switch. I don't think that they sell Fits at MSRP. I could try the
> > Storm Silver Metallic which looks pretty good.
> >
> > I have to make a decision pretty quickly since I'm going to need to
> > put money into my 91 Accord soon. I must change the timing belt (I'm
> > now at 94,000) and it needs so much other stuff. I'd do it if the rust
> > around the wheel wells wasn't so bad, but it is bad.
>
> It seems like Honda sometimes tells dealers what they will get rather
> than dealers or customers getting to order what they want. A strange
> way to do business, but with a sold-out hit like the Fit I guess they
> can get away with it.
>
> John



IIRC, VW back in the late 1950's was in the same position. Often, one
had to wait for the car of their choice or settle for what might be
available. I had a six week wait for my new (the only new car I ever
bought) '61 sunroof.

JT

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:27:31 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:29:25 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <m846e2l9ensc0taubjgliiglmp1um6kra1@4ax.com>,
>>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
>>>> to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
>>>> switch.
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Do you even know what "bait and switch" is? Or are you just another
>>> ignoramus who's not getting what he wants in the world, and has to have
>>> someone to blame something horrific on?
>>
>> Wow, you're a pretty nasty guy. I'm glad that I don't actually have to
>> deal with you in real life.
>>
>you need to learn how to understand what elmo's actually telling you.
>otherwise you'll be the loser in virtually every negotiation you ever
>have. read elmo's post again - what he's saying is:
>
>1. it's not bait & switch
>2. you're not a victim unless you want to be.
>
>the likely scenario, and the logical one if you bother to think about
>it, is that the dealer's having trouble sourcing what you ordered, but
>because of the delay is offering you an alternative. therefore, you now
>have two options:
>
>i. keep on waiting, or
>ii. settle for a different color.
>
>if you somehow misinterpret that as "bait & switch", it's your
>[in]ability to deal with the situation that's the problem and you're
>going to end up feeling screwed whatever the outcome.
>
>get real, pay attention, make a decision and stick to it. assert what
>you want and keep on asserting it until you get it. bleating about
>being a victim before anything actually happens means you already are one.

More information needed. Bait and switch literally means just drawing
you in to shop but not having what was advertised. However, allowing a
customer to order something knowing that it isn't going to come in is
even worse.

I went to another Honda dealer before using this one, and the first
dealer came up with a price of $19,000 before tax. I said that I
wouldn't pay over MSRP and she said that other dealers can't get the
car but they can. I didn't really believe her but now I do. I think my
current dealer did know that it was unlikely that I would get what I
ordered.

I can't prove it, and I could certainly be wrong but there really
isn't anything to do about it but try for another color and give them
another week or two. Then I just cancel the deal and spend some money
fixing up the Accord.

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:27:31 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:29:25 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <m846e2l9ensc0taubjgliiglmp1um6kra1@4ax.com>,
>>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
>>>> to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
>>>> switch.
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Do you even know what "bait and switch" is? Or are you just another
>>> ignoramus who's not getting what he wants in the world, and has to have
>>> someone to blame something horrific on?
>>
>> Wow, you're a pretty nasty guy. I'm glad that I don't actually have to
>> deal with you in real life.
>>
>you need to learn how to understand what elmo's actually telling you.
>otherwise you'll be the loser in virtually every negotiation you ever
>have. read elmo's post again - what he's saying is:
>
>1. it's not bait & switch
>2. you're not a victim unless you want to be.
>
>the likely scenario, and the logical one if you bother to think about
>it, is that the dealer's having trouble sourcing what you ordered, but
>because of the delay is offering you an alternative. therefore, you now
>have two options:
>
>i. keep on waiting, or
>ii. settle for a different color.
>
>if you somehow misinterpret that as "bait & switch", it's your
>[in]ability to deal with the situation that's the problem and you're
>going to end up feeling screwed whatever the outcome.
>
>get real, pay attention, make a decision and stick to it. assert what
>you want and keep on asserting it until you get it. bleating about
>being a victim before anything actually happens means you already are one.

More information needed. Bait and switch literally means just drawing
you in to shop but not having what was advertised. However, allowing a
customer to order something knowing that it isn't going to come in is
even worse.

I went to another Honda dealer before using this one, and the first
dealer came up with a price of $19,000 before tax. I said that I
wouldn't pay over MSRP and she said that other dealers can't get the
car but they can. I didn't really believe her but now I do. I think my
current dealer did know that it was unlikely that I would get what I
ordered.

I can't prove it, and I could certainly be wrong but there really
isn't anything to do about it but try for another color and give them
another week or two. Then I just cancel the deal and spend some money
fixing up the Accord.

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:27:31 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:29:25 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <m846e2l9ensc0taubjgliiglmp1um6kra1@4ax.com>,
>>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bad news from the dealer. It's been a month since ordering and he says
>>>> to try another color (I wanted the orange). I think that it's bait and
>>>> switch.
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Do you even know what "bait and switch" is? Or are you just another
>>> ignoramus who's not getting what he wants in the world, and has to have
>>> someone to blame something horrific on?
>>
>> Wow, you're a pretty nasty guy. I'm glad that I don't actually have to
>> deal with you in real life.
>>
>you need to learn how to understand what elmo's actually telling you.
>otherwise you'll be the loser in virtually every negotiation you ever
>have. read elmo's post again - what he's saying is:
>
>1. it's not bait & switch
>2. you're not a victim unless you want to be.
>
>the likely scenario, and the logical one if you bother to think about
>it, is that the dealer's having trouble sourcing what you ordered, but
>because of the delay is offering you an alternative. therefore, you now
>have two options:
>
>i. keep on waiting, or
>ii. settle for a different color.
>
>if you somehow misinterpret that as "bait & switch", it's your
>[in]ability to deal with the situation that's the problem and you're
>going to end up feeling screwed whatever the outcome.
>
>get real, pay attention, make a decision and stick to it. assert what
>you want and keep on asserting it until you get it. bleating about
>being a victim before anything actually happens means you already are one.

More information needed. Bait and switch literally means just drawing
you in to shop but not having what was advertised. However, allowing a
customer to order something knowing that it isn't going to come in is
even worse.

I went to another Honda dealer before using this one, and the first
dealer came up with a price of $19,000 before tax. I said that I
wouldn't pay over MSRP and she said that other dealers can't get the
car but they can. I didn't really believe her but now I do. I think my
current dealer did know that it was unlikely that I would get what I
ordered.

I can't prove it, and I could certainly be wrong but there really
isn't anything to do about it but try for another color and give them
another week or two. Then I just cancel the deal and spend some money
fixing up the Accord.

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:18:29 GMT, "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com>
wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>> I must change the timing belt (I'm
>> now at 94,000)
>
> Shoot for 100K on the belt. It will make it unless you race the car on
>weekends.
> Good luck on the Fit. I saw a white one up close last week and decided
>not to buy one. Too small for me. bob

It isn't only the mileage though, I think it's also age. But when it
goes it messes up the valves and such which would be a bad thing
indeed. I thought I had the belt done when I bought the car but the
dealer doesn't have a record of that so I guess not.

The Fit is indeed small and is not for everyone. But it is a lot of
fun to drive which counts for a lot to me, and I don't have need for a
big car. I do need to get a new TV soon, and it would fit the Fit
better than my Accord.

Re: My Fit NOT arriving
 

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:18:29 GMT, "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com>
wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>> I must change the timing belt (I'm
>> now at 94,000)
>
> Shoot for 100K on the belt. It will make it unless you race the car on
>weekends.
> Good luck on the Fit. I saw a white one up close last week and decided
>not to buy one. Too small for me. bob

It isn't only the mileage though, I think it's also age. But when it
goes it messes up the valves and such which would be a bad thing
indeed. I thought I had the belt done when I bought the car but the
dealer doesn't have a record of that so I guess not.

The Fit is indeed small and is not for everyone. But it is a lot of
fun to drive which counts for a lot to me, and I don't have need for a
big car. I do need to get a new TV soon, and it would fit the Fit
better than my Accord.