Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

like this Saturn rental:

http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-r...l-change-engin
e-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-9B04BE.10441201052009@mara100-84.onlink.net:

> like this Saturn rental:
>
> http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-r...l-change-engin
> e-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles
>



Let's fix that link up a bit...
<http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-rental-car-never-gets-oil-change-engine-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles>


My own site has a few interesting pics:
<http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/index.html>
and
<http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html>


--
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Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

Tegger wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-9B04BE.10441201052009@mara100-84.onlink.net:
>
>> like this Saturn rental:
>>
>> http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-r...l-change-engin
>> e-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles
>>
>
>
>
> Let's fix that link up a bit...
> <http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-rental-car-never-gets-oil-change-engine-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles>
>
>
> My own site has a few interesting pics:
> <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/index.html>
> and
> <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html>
>
>

the funny thing is though, neither of those two engines show signs of
extraordinary wear. sludge, yes. [typical of short trip stuff where
the motor doesn't warm up properly.] should they have changed their
oil, yes. but those cams are not distressed so no mechanical harm done.

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:JqqdnSr5u9qEzWHUnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Tegger wrote:
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
>> news:elmop-9B04BE.10441201052009@mara100-84.onlink.net:
>>
>>> like this Saturn rental:
>>>
>>> http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-r...s-oil-change-e
>>> ngin e-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Let's fix that link up a bit...
>> <http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-r...s-oil-change-e
>> ngine-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles>
>>
>>
>> My own site has a few interesting pics:
>> <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/index.html>
>> and
>> <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html>
>>
>>
>
> the funny thing is though, neither of those two engines show signs of
> extraordinary wear. sludge, yes. [typical of short trip stuff where
> the motor doesn't warm up properly.] should they have changed their
> oil, yes. but those cams are not distressed so no mechanical harm
> done.
>



I was told (by more than one mechanic) that so long as the oil pickup
screen isn't plugged, engines can survive a lot of sludge. What ultimately
kills them is blockage of the oil pickup screen.


--
Tegger

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Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:JqqdnSr5u9qEzWHUnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
>>>news:elmop-9B04BE.10441201052009@mara100-84.onlink.net:
>>>
>>>
>>>>like this Saturn rental:
>>>>
>>>>http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-r...s-oil-change-e
>>>>ngin e-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Let's fix that link up a bit...
>>><http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-r...s-oil-change-e
>>>ngine-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles>
>>>
>>>
>>>My own site has a few interesting pics:
>>><http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/index.html>
>>>and
>>><http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html>
>>>
>>>
>>the funny thing is though, neither of those two engines show signs of
>>extraordinary wear. sludge, yes. [typical of short trip stuff where
>>the motor doesn't warm up properly.] should they have changed their
>>oil, yes. but those cams are not distressed so no mechanical harm
>>done.
>>
>
>
>
>
> I was told (by more than one mechanic) that so long as the oil pickup
> screen isn't plugged, engines can survive a lot of sludge. What ultimately
> kills them is blockage of the oil pickup screen.


At which time all kinds of alarms should be going off such as low oil
pressure often accompanied by overheating etc.

OTOH, old worn out oil can be hard on bearing surfaces. I had a failure
on a V6 cam, (right after the second lobe), after a run of 10K between
oil changes including a few "check engine" lights. Car had 160K on it
and it failed suddenly and took about a month of tryin' this 'n that
before finally pulling the intake manifold which revealed the ugly truth.

Thankfully, the rearmost bearing was ok but the others not so good but
in a position to replace without pulling the engine.

Now, I'm pretty fastidious with regard to oil changes... Usually about
5K with dino oils.

JT

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:Au8Ll.22704$941.5888@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

>
>
> Tegger wrote:

>>
>> I was told (by more than one mechanic) that so long as the oil pickup
>> screen isn't plugged, engines can survive a lot of sludge. What
>> ultimately kills them is blockage of the oil pickup screen.
>
>
> At which time all kinds of alarms should be going off such as low oil
> pressure often accompanied by overheating etc.



People who let their oil go that long are not the sort to pay much
attention to how well the engine is running. Or else they studiously ignore
any evident problems, perhaps in the hopes that they will go away on their
own.



>
> OTOH, old worn out oil can be hard on bearing surfaces. I had a
> failure on a V6 cam, (right after the second lobe), after a run of 10K
> between oil changes including a few "check engine" lights. Car had
> 160K on it and it failed suddenly and took about a month of tryin'
> this 'n that before finally pulling the intake manifold which revealed
> the ugly truth.
>
> Thankfully, the rearmost bearing was ok but the others not so good but
> in a position to replace without pulling the engine.
>
> Now, I'm pretty fastidious with regard to oil changes... Usually about
> 5K with dino oils.
>


I'm 3K or less, with synthetic. Yeah, I know. It's "recreational" oil
changing. It makes me feel better.


--
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Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:Au8Ll.22704$941.5888@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>>
>> Tegger wrote:
>
>>> I was told (by more than one mechanic) that so long as the oil pickup
>>> screen isn't plugged, engines can survive a lot of sludge. What
>>> ultimately kills them is blockage of the oil pickup screen.
>>
>> At which time all kinds of alarms should be going off such as low oil
>> pressure often accompanied by overheating etc.
>
>
>
> People who let their oil go that long are not the sort to pay much
> attention to how well the engine is running. Or else they studiously ignore
> any evident problems, perhaps in the hopes that they will go away on their
> own.

i let my oil go long, but i pay studious attention to how well the
engine's running.


>
>
>
>> OTOH, old worn out oil can be hard on bearing surfaces. I had a
>> failure on a V6 cam, (right after the second lobe), after a run of 10K
>> between oil changes including a few "check engine" lights. Car had
>> 160K on it and it failed suddenly and took about a month of tryin'
>> this 'n that before finally pulling the intake manifold which revealed
>> the ugly truth.
>>
>> Thankfully, the rearmost bearing was ok but the others not so good but
>> in a position to replace without pulling the engine.
>>
>> Now, I'm pretty fastidious with regard to oil changes... Usually about
>> 5K with dino oils.
>>
>
>
> I'm 3K or less, with synthetic. Yeah, I know. It's "recreational" oil
> changing. It makes me feel better.

dude, with respect, that's crazy. a quality synthetic is formulated to
let you run long. the conditions to be met include:

1. base oil doesn't break down
2. additives don't break down
3. other additives cope with the chemistry

conventional oil bases do break down, their additives break down, and
because of the first two, they also have a correspondingly lowered
ability to cope with chemical load like acids. given that #'s 1 & 2 are
easy for synthetics to achieve, #3 is the one to look for, and it's
/loaded/ so it can go way beyond your 3k.

discoloration of the oil doesn't mean a damned thing since the filter
ensures particles are below the wear threshold. my buddy who works for
exxon-mobil has a chevy tahoe. the fall-back factory service interval
on that is 3k. using the analysis resources he has available, he has
the service interval pushed out to 25k. again, that's a 25,000 mile oil
change interval based on analysis.

conclusion: 3k on synthetic is crazy.

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9C005663F6B06tegger@208.90.168.18...
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:Au8Ll.22704$941.5888@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>>
>>
>> Tegger wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I was told (by more than one mechanic) that so long as the oil
>>> pickup
>>> screen isn't plugged, engines can survive a lot of sludge. What
>>> ultimately kills them is blockage of the oil pickup screen.
>>
>>
>> At which time all kinds of alarms should be going off such as low
>> oil
>> pressure often accompanied by overheating etc.
>
>
>
> People who let their oil go that long are not the sort to pay much
> attention to how well the engine is running. Or else they studiously
> ignore
> any evident problems, perhaps in the hopes that they will go away on
> their
> own.
>
>

When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much oil,
it was in a state of perpetual change.....

>
>>
>> OTOH, old worn out oil can be hard on bearing surfaces. I had a
>> failure on a V6 cam, (right after the second lobe), after a run of
>> 10K
>> between oil changes including a few "check engine" lights. Car had
>> 160K on it and it failed suddenly and took about a month of tryin'
>> this 'n that before finally pulling the intake manifold which
>> revealed
>> the ugly truth.
>>
>> Thankfully, the rearmost bearing was ok but the others not so good
>> but
>> in a position to replace without pulling the engine.
>>
>> Now, I'm pretty fastidious with regard to oil changes... Usually
>> about
>> 5K with dino oils.
>>
>
>
> I'm 3K or less, with synthetic. Yeah, I know. It's "recreational"
> oil
> changing. It makes me feel better.
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

In article <syhLl.17728$D32.10787@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>,
"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote:

> When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much oil,
> it was in a state of perpetual change.....

I had a 79 Civic, same thing. When the oil light flickered on a hard
right turn, it was time to add more.

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

In article <wv2dne7lMa_TAGDUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> conclusion: 3k on synthetic is crazy.

well, he DID say it was recreational.

I think fishing is crazy, but...

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
24A819.11363403052009@mara100-84.onlink.net:

> In article <wv2dne7lMa_TAGDUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> conclusion: 3k on synthetic is crazy.
>
> well, he DID say it was recreational.
>
> I think fishing is crazy,
>



So is skydiving.


--
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Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in news:syhLl.17728$D32.10787
@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com:

>
> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C005663F6B06tegger@208.90.168.18...

>>
>>
>>
>> People who let their oil go that long are not the sort to pay much
>> attention to how well the engine is running. Or else they studiously
>> ignore
>> any evident problems, perhaps in the hopes that they will go away on
>> their
>> own.
>>
>>
>
> When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much oil,
> it was in a state of perpetual change.....




My old '76 Coronet burned a quart between gas fillups. I don't think I ever
"changed the oil" in the traditional way the whole time I had the car.



--
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Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-05AAF1.11354203052009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
> In article <syhLl.17728$D32.10787@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>,
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much
>> oil,
>> it was in a state of perpetual change.....
>
> I had a 79 Civic, same thing. When the oil light flickered on a
> hard
> right turn, it was time to add more.

Reminds me of another old bomb I had, an old '60 Valiant. Make a
hard right turn, and if you smelled gas, you had some left (never
could put in more then 5 or 6 gallons at a time)! Not sure what was
worse with that one, the hole in the tank, or the brakes that needed
to be pumped a dozen times before I could slow down......

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <wv2dne7lMa_TAGDUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>conclusion: 3k on synthetic is crazy.
>
>
> well, he DID say it was recreational.
>
> I think fishing is crazy, but...



Ahhhh, but fishing usually is therapy... For henpecked husbands!

Uddah din dat, I kompleatley agree.

<G>

JT

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

Tegger wrote:

> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in news:syhLl.17728$D32.10787
> @flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>
>>"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9C005663F6B06tegger@208.90.168.18...
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>People who let their oil go that long are not the sort to pay much
>>>attention to how well the engine is running. Or else they studiously
>>>ignore
>>>any evident problems, perhaps in the hopes that they will go away on
>>>their
>>>own.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much oil,
>>it was in a state of perpetual change.....
>
>
>
>
>
> My old '76 Coronet burned a quart between gas fillups. I don't think I ever
> "changed the oil" in the traditional way the whole time I had the car.


Worse car for oil consumption for me was a $50 Torino that achieved a
whoppin' 50 miles per quart. Then came a '76 Civic that average between
1-2K per quart. Of course, that car cost me $500!

JT

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:bhtLl.193104$4m1.95595@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in news:syhLl.17728$D32.10787
>> @flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com:

>>>
>>>When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much
>>>oil, it was in a state of perpetual change.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My old '76 Coronet burned a quart between gas fillups. I don't think
>> I ever "changed the oil" in the traditional way the whole time I had
>> the car.
>
>
> Worse car for oil consumption for me was a $50 Torino that achieved a
> whoppin' 50 miles per quart. Then came a '76 Civic that average
> between 1-2K per quart. Of course, that car cost me $500!
>



Well, you get what you pay for, as the saying goes...



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Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:bhtLl.193104$4m1.95595@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in
>> news:syhLl.17728$D32.10787
>> @flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>
>>>"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>>>news:Xns9C005663F6B06tegger@208.90.168.18...
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>People who let their oil go that long are not the sort to pay much
>>>>attention to how well the engine is running. Or else they
>>>>studiously ignore
>>>>any evident problems, perhaps in the hopes that they will go away
>>>>on their
>>>>own.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much
>>>oil, it was in a state of perpetual change.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My old '76 Coronet burned a quart between gas fillups. I don't
>> think I ever "changed the oil" in the traditional way the whole
>> time I had the car.
>
>
> Worse car for oil consumption for me was a $50 Torino that achieved
> a whoppin' 50 miles per quart. Then came a '76 Civic that average
> between 1-2K per quart. Of course, that car cost me $500!
>

The old Rambler I had I got for $75. It was a combination of puke
green and primer.
> JT

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:bhtLl.193104$4m1.95595@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>
>>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in news:syhLl.17728$D32.10787
>>>@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>
>>>>When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much
>>>>oil, it was in a state of perpetual change.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>My old '76 Coronet burned a quart between gas fillups. I don't think
>>>I ever "changed the oil" in the traditional way the whole time I had
>>>the car.
>>
>>
>>Worse car for oil consumption for me was a $50 Torino that achieved a
>>whoppin' 50 miles per quart. Then came a '76 Civic that average
>>between 1-2K per quart. Of course, that car cost me $500!
>>
>
>
>
>
> Well, you get what you pay for, as the saying goes...
>



....and the saga continues; One day I decided to manipulate the vacuum
lines and confident that I had improved things set off for work. On the
way, I noticed a nice plume of smoke in the rear view mirror.

Later that night, I fired it up for the return trip home and I had gone
no farther than a half mile or so when the oil light came on. I managed
to drive that turd all the way home with no apparant ill effect(s).

The next day, dipstick showed nothing/nada/zilch. Put some pit oil (from
changes in my Studebakers) in and brought it up to level and got another
month out of it when I sent it up to the local wrecking yard.

I only wish that I had tapped into my ample supply of pit oil much
earlier...

JT

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

L Alpert wrote:

> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:bhtLl.193104$4m1.95595@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:syhLl.17728$D32.10787
>>>@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>>>>news:Xns9C005663F6B06tegger@208.90.168.18...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>People who let their oil go that long are not the sort to pay much
>>>>>attention to how well the engine is running. Or else they
>>>>>studiously ignore
>>>>>any evident problems, perhaps in the hopes that they will go away
>>>>>on their
>>>>>own.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much
>>>>oil, it was in a state of perpetual change.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>My old '76 Coronet burned a quart between gas fillups. I don't
>>>think I ever "changed the oil" in the traditional way the whole
>>>time I had the car.
>>
>>
>>Worse car for oil consumption for me was a $50 Torino that achieved
>>a whoppin' 50 miles per quart. Then came a '76 Civic that average
>>between 1-2K per quart. Of course, that car cost me $500!
>>
>
>
> The old Rambler I had I got for $75. It was a combination of puke
> green and primer.
>


I replaced the turdbox Torino with a $300 Gremlin which actually wasn't
a bad car. Had the 258 six cylinder with two barrel and it went down
the road nicely. Rest was the main issue with that car..

JT

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:q_OLl.26280$941.25922@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> L Alpert wrote:
>
>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
>> news:bhtLl.193104$4m1.95595@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>>
>>>Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:syhLl.17728$D32.10787
>>>>@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Xns9C005663F6B06tegger@208.90.168.18.. .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>People who let their oil go that long are not the sort to pay
>>>>>>much
>>>>>>attention to how well the engine is running. Or else they
>>>>>>studiously ignore
>>>>>>any evident problems, perhaps in the hopes that they will go
>>>>>>away on their
>>>>>>own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>When I was a kid, I had an old Rambler that leaked/burned so much
>>>>>oil, it was in a state of perpetual change.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My old '76 Coronet burned a quart between gas fillups. I don't
>>>>think I ever "changed the oil" in the traditional way the whole
>>>>time I had the car.
>>>
>>>
>>>Worse car for oil consumption for me was a $50 Torino that achieved
>>>a whoppin' 50 miles per quart. Then came a '76 Civic that average
>>>between 1-2K per quart. Of course, that car cost me $500!
>>>
>>
>>
>> The old Rambler I had I got for $75. It was a combination of puke
>> green and primer.
>>
>
>
> I replaced the turdbox Torino with a $300 Gremlin which actually
> wasn't a bad car. Had the 258 six cylinder with two barrel and it
> went down the road nicely. Rest was the main issue with that car..
>
> JT
>

A regular Wayne's World, eh....at least the Gremlin was ugly enough to
be cooler than the AMC Hornet.

My brother has a cache of older cars. Last I recall, he has a '60
Rambler (flat head 6) American, 65 Marlin, 73 Ambassador (327 ragtop)
an American Eagle 4 wheel drive wagon of early 70's vintage and 2
Subaru 360cc 2 cycle mini's from I believe a late 60's or early 70's
vintage. All of them are well kept......

Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in news:OC8Ml.21786$as4.7845
@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:

>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>
>>
>> I replaced the turdbox Torino with a $300 Gremlin which actually
>> wasn't a bad car. Had the 258 six cylinder with two barrel and it
>> went down the road nicely. Rest was the main issue with that car..
>>
>> JT
>>
>
> A regular Wayne's World, eh....



Wayne's World had the Pacer, not the Gremlin, no?



> at least the Gremlin was ugly enough to
> be cooler than the AMC Hornet.



The Hornet might have been your dad's car, but the back seat was actually
usable, and it was better looking than the Gremlin. IMHO, of course.



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Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in news:OC8Ml.21786$as4.7845
> @nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:
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>>
>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
>> news:q_OLl.26280$941.25922@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I replaced the turdbox Torino with a $300 Gremlin which actually
>>> wasn't a bad car. Had the 258 six cylinder with two barrel and it
>>> went down the road nicely. Rest was the main issue with that car..
>>>
>>> JT
>>>
>>
>> A regular Wayne's World, eh....
>
>
>
> Wayne's World had the Pacer, not the Gremlin, no?
>

You may be right on that.

>
>
>> at least the Gremlin was ugly enough to
>> be cooler than the AMC Hornet.
>
>
>
> The Hornet might have been your dad's car, but the back seat was
> actually
> usable, and it was better looking than the Gremlin. IMHO, of course.

My favorite was the old Ramblers. The front seats folded down to the
back to make one big, flat cushion.

>
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
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Re: Never change your oil? You get what you deserve
 

On Fri, 01 May 2009 10:44:12 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> like this Saturn rental:
>
> http://jalopnik.com/5235675/saturn-r...l-change-engin
> e-carnage-ensues-after-30000-miles\

Get back to the Toyota group where you belong!