Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:35:20 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Slider" <daroy@(removethis)eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>news:5Y1mi.35274$Io4.1936@edtnps89...
>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>
>It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual. Answering
>questions about how to turn on the headlights can be a big drag on an auto
>forum. After determining you had read the manual we can try to provide the
>additional info and even learn about it ourselves.
>
>Personally, I avoid getting involved in questions from people who are short
>with others who try to help - I ditched the "kick me" sign long ago.
>
>Mike
>
>

Yeah, I even have a daughter that sometimes will ask me a question and
I give my best answer and then she argues with my answer. I finally
told her I hate people that do this.... sorta to me like she or
whoever is looking for an arguement to start. I get to the point
where I don't want to bother to answer.

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:35:20 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Slider" <daroy@(removethis)eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>news:5Y1mi.35274$Io4.1936@edtnps89...
>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>
>It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual. Answering
>questions about how to turn on the headlights can be a big drag on an auto
>forum. After determining you had read the manual we can try to provide the
>additional info and even learn about it ourselves.
>
>Personally, I avoid getting involved in questions from people who are short
>with others who try to help - I ditched the "kick me" sign long ago.
>
>Mike
>
>

Yeah, I even have a daughter that sometimes will ask me a question and
I give my best answer and then she argues with my answer. I finally
told her I hate people that do this.... sorta to me like she or
whoever is looking for an arguement to start. I get to the point
where I don't want to bother to answer.

Re: New Honda owner
 

On 7/13/07 10:05 PM, in article pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid,
"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered it
>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
>> of my cars.
>
> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
> not.

I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?

As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team to
have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

Re: New Honda owner
 

On 7/13/07 10:05 PM, in article pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid,
"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered it
>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
>> of my cars.
>
> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
> not.

I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?

As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team to
have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

Re: New Honda owner
 

On 7/13/07 10:05 PM, in article pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid,
"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered it
>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
>> of my cars.
>
> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
> not.

I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?

As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team to
have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Jul 13, 11:01 pm, Dan C <youmustbejok...@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies,..."
snip

No, these haven't been smart-ass replies.

"The auto lock feature is just about as useful as that expensive
warranty you bought that you'll never need. What a waste of money!"

That's more like it.

Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Jul 13, 11:01 pm, Dan C <youmustbejok...@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies,..."
snip

No, these haven't been smart-ass replies.

"The auto lock feature is just about as useful as that expensive
warranty you bought that you'll never need. What a waste of money!"

That's more like it.

Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Jul 13, 11:01 pm, Dan C <youmustbejok...@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies,..."
snip

No, these haven't been smart-ass replies.

"The auto lock feature is just about as useful as that expensive
warranty you bought that you'll never need. What a waste of money!"

That's more like it.

Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.

Re: New Honda owner
 

<honda owner> wrote in message
news:3rmh939j9ro9vvehpfpokofbl3bml1ua0p@4ax.com...
>
> I couldn't have said it better Brian and I tried earlier. Thanks.

No problem, I am happy to help. {;^)

Re: New Honda owner
 

<honda owner> wrote in message
news:3rmh939j9ro9vvehpfpokofbl3bml1ua0p@4ax.com...
>
> I couldn't have said it better Brian and I tried earlier. Thanks.

No problem, I am happy to help. {;^)

Re: New Honda owner
 

<honda owner> wrote in message
news:3rmh939j9ro9vvehpfpokofbl3bml1ua0p@4ax.com...
>
> I couldn't have said it better Brian and I tried earlier. Thanks.

No problem, I am happy to help. {;^)

Re: New Honda owner
 

On 7/14/2007 9:54 AM E Meyer spake these words of knowledge:

> On 7/13/07 10:05 PM, in article pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid,
> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered it
>>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
>>> of my cars.
>>
>> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
>> not.
>
> I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?
>
> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team to
> have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
when you did not intend it to.

This can be very useful in the event of a crash.

It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door
when you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
traffic in NYC.

As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in
it, with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt. If
it were automatically done, it would save me having to do it. I fail to
see why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always
avail themselves for their own purposes." –- Thomas Jefferson

Re: New Honda owner
 

On 7/14/2007 9:54 AM E Meyer spake these words of knowledge:

> On 7/13/07 10:05 PM, in article pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid,
> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered it
>>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
>>> of my cars.
>>
>> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
>> not.
>
> I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?
>
> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team to
> have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
when you did not intend it to.

This can be very useful in the event of a crash.

It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door
when you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
traffic in NYC.

As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in
it, with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt. If
it were automatically done, it would save me having to do it. I fail to
see why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always
avail themselves for their own purposes." –- Thomas Jefferson

Re: New Honda owner
 

On 7/14/2007 9:54 AM E Meyer spake these words of knowledge:

> On 7/13/07 10:05 PM, in article pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid,
> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered it
>>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
>>> of my cars.
>>
>> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
>> not.
>
> I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?
>
> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team to
> have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
when you did not intend it to.

This can be very useful in the event of a crash.

It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door
when you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
traffic in NYC.

As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in
it, with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt. If
it were automatically done, it would save me having to do it. I fail to
see why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always
avail themselves for their own purposes." –- Thomas Jefferson

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:46992ab2$0$4923$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
> when you did not intend it to.
>
> This can be very useful in the event of a crash.
>

That advice is a generation or two out of date. Before the '60s there were
no significant standards for either door latches or door locks and door
locks could possibly improve door integrity in an accident. Since the
implementation of US NHTSA standards c. 1963 door locks were not relevant to
latch integrity. If you look at a lock in any car since the late 60s you
will see it only affects how the release levers actuate the latch and does
not affect the holding mechanism. In the NHTSA's study of Rollover
Mitigation http://tinyurl.com/2q9xc9 the report acknowledges the role of
door latches but not door locks in preventing partial ejection.

> It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door when
> you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
> traffic in NYC.
>

That is useful. You should always lock your doors when people present more
of a threat than traffic and terrain do. Otherwise, my take is that we are
somewhat safer with the doors unlocked. As a first-aider, I dread the
thought of coming across a car fire with entrapment and finding the doors
locked or jammed. I can deal with other problems better if I don't lose time
trying to establish an exit route. And it is important to remember that
central locking and unlocking depends on electricity. If anything has
happened in the accident to kill power (like the battery was destroyed on
impact) rear doors are going to stay closed until somebody can get to the
locks manually... and much longer than that if child locks are active.

> As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in it,
> with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt. If it
> were automatically done, it would save me having to do it. I fail to see
> why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.
>

You are entitled to your opinion. I'm just glad none of my cars have the
"feature." Doing it manually when you feel it is valuable makes sense,
having the car do it stupidly does not.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:46992ab2$0$4923$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
> when you did not intend it to.
>
> This can be very useful in the event of a crash.
>

That advice is a generation or two out of date. Before the '60s there were
no significant standards for either door latches or door locks and door
locks could possibly improve door integrity in an accident. Since the
implementation of US NHTSA standards c. 1963 door locks were not relevant to
latch integrity. If you look at a lock in any car since the late 60s you
will see it only affects how the release levers actuate the latch and does
not affect the holding mechanism. In the NHTSA's study of Rollover
Mitigation http://tinyurl.com/2q9xc9 the report acknowledges the role of
door latches but not door locks in preventing partial ejection.

> It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door when
> you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
> traffic in NYC.
>

That is useful. You should always lock your doors when people present more
of a threat than traffic and terrain do. Otherwise, my take is that we are
somewhat safer with the doors unlocked. As a first-aider, I dread the
thought of coming across a car fire with entrapment and finding the doors
locked or jammed. I can deal with other problems better if I don't lose time
trying to establish an exit route. And it is important to remember that
central locking and unlocking depends on electricity. If anything has
happened in the accident to kill power (like the battery was destroyed on
impact) rear doors are going to stay closed until somebody can get to the
locks manually... and much longer than that if child locks are active.

> As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in it,
> with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt. If it
> were automatically done, it would save me having to do it. I fail to see
> why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.
>

You are entitled to your opinion. I'm just glad none of my cars have the
"feature." Doing it manually when you feel it is valuable makes sense,
having the car do it stupidly does not.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:46992ab2$0$4923$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
> when you did not intend it to.
>
> This can be very useful in the event of a crash.
>

That advice is a generation or two out of date. Before the '60s there were
no significant standards for either door latches or door locks and door
locks could possibly improve door integrity in an accident. Since the
implementation of US NHTSA standards c. 1963 door locks were not relevant to
latch integrity. If you look at a lock in any car since the late 60s you
will see it only affects how the release levers actuate the latch and does
not affect the holding mechanism. In the NHTSA's study of Rollover
Mitigation http://tinyurl.com/2q9xc9 the report acknowledges the role of
door latches but not door locks in preventing partial ejection.

> It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door when
> you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
> traffic in NYC.
>

That is useful. You should always lock your doors when people present more
of a threat than traffic and terrain do. Otherwise, my take is that we are
somewhat safer with the doors unlocked. As a first-aider, I dread the
thought of coming across a car fire with entrapment and finding the doors
locked or jammed. I can deal with other problems better if I don't lose time
trying to establish an exit route. And it is important to remember that
central locking and unlocking depends on electricity. If anything has
happened in the accident to kill power (like the battery was destroyed on
impact) rear doors are going to stay closed until somebody can get to the
locks manually... and much longer than that if child locks are active.

> As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in it,
> with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt. If it
> were automatically done, it would save me having to do it. I fail to see
> why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.
>

You are entitled to your opinion. I'm just glad none of my cars have the
"feature." Doing it manually when you feel it is valuable makes sense,
having the car do it stupidly does not.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184429175.989260.149360@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
> too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
> because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.
>
>
>
Early Volvo 850s were Volvo's first attempt at totally computerizing a car.
One of the common complaints was that the door locks would become
demonically possessed, rapidly cycling, locking or unlocking at random, and
with a propensity to lock the doors when people got out to put gas in the
car! Buwahaahaahaa!

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184429175.989260.149360@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
> too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
> because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.
>
>
>
Early Volvo 850s were Volvo's first attempt at totally computerizing a car.
One of the common complaints was that the door locks would become
demonically possessed, rapidly cycling, locking or unlocking at random, and
with a propensity to lock the doors when people got out to put gas in the
car! Buwahaahaahaa!

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184429175.989260.149360@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
> too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
> because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.
>
>
>
Early Volvo 850s were Volvo's first attempt at totally computerizing a car.
One of the common complaints was that the door locks would become
demonically possessed, rapidly cycling, locking or unlocking at random, and
with a propensity to lock the doors when people got out to put gas in the
car! Buwahaahaahaa!

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:29:26 -0400, Joe LaVigne wrote:

>>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?

>> Yeah, I did.

>>> It is there, but you have to set it...

>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.
>> Thanks anyway.

> Hey, look, you're just as much of an here as you are in the Ubuntu
> group... If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up directly to that
> post, and was the only one here who tried to actually address your
> question.

Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first one.
As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with your
answer, so it doesn't count for much.

> What a douche...

Yeah. Namecalling. Who's the , again?


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:29:26 -0400, Joe LaVigne wrote:

>>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?

>> Yeah, I did.

>>> It is there, but you have to set it...

>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.
>> Thanks anyway.

> Hey, look, you're just as much of an here as you are in the Ubuntu
> group... If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up directly to that
> post, and was the only one here who tried to actually address your
> question.

Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first one.
As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with your
answer, so it doesn't count for much.

> What a douche...

Yeah. Namecalling. Who's the , again?


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:29:26 -0400, Joe LaVigne wrote:

>>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?

>> Yeah, I did.

>>> It is there, but you have to set it...

>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.
>> Thanks anyway.

> Hey, look, you're just as much of an here as you are in the Ubuntu
> group... If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up directly to that
> post, and was the only one here who tried to actually address your
> question.

Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first one.
As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with your
answer, so it doesn't count for much.

> What a douche...

Yeah. Namecalling. Who's the , again?


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:54:34 +0000, E Meyer wrote:

>> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
>> not.

> I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?

As some others have already explained some of the reasons, I'll just add
one more. I said in my original post that it was my daughter's car, she's
a college student, and it makes me feel safer knowing her doors are
locked, even if she doesn't always think to lock them (manually).

> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team
> to have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

I suppose that could happen, but thinking like that, you had better not
even go out the front door of the house. You might get hit by a bus.

As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:54:34 +0000, E Meyer wrote:

>> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
>> not.

> I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?

As some others have already explained some of the reasons, I'll just add
one more. I said in my original post that it was my daughter's car, she's
a college student, and it makes me feel safer knowing her doors are
locked, even if she doesn't always think to lock them (manually).

> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team
> to have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

I suppose that could happen, but thinking like that, you had better not
even go out the front door of the house. You might get hit by a bus.

As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:54:34 +0000, E Meyer wrote:

>> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
>> not.

> I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?

As some others have already explained some of the reasons, I'll just add
one more. I said in my original post that it was my daughter's car, she's
a college student, and it makes me feel safer knowing her doors are
locked, even if she doesn't always think to lock them (manually).

> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team
> to have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

I suppose that could happen, but thinking like that, you had better not
even go out the front door of the house. You might get hit by a bus.

As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:18:08 -0500, wrote:

> I love it... an owner with an attitude !! Dare anyone say something
> he doesn't like.

Whatever. It's notable that you snipped the entire post, and don't bother
actually addressing anything. Was there something inaccurate or wrong
about my points?

Didn't think so.

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:18:08 -0500, wrote:

> I love it... an owner with an attitude !! Dare anyone say something
> he doesn't like.

Whatever. It's notable that you snipped the entire post, and don't bother
actually addressing anything. Was there something inaccurate or wrong
about my points?

Didn't think so.

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:18:08 -0500, wrote:

> I love it... an owner with an attitude !! Dare anyone say something
> he doesn't like.

Whatever. It's notable that you snipped the entire post, and don't bother
actually addressing anything. Was there something inaccurate or wrong
about my points?

Didn't think so.

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:11:49 +0000, Brian Smith wrote:

>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.

> You're doing a fine job of coming off as a class "A" fool, yourself.

Why do you think that? Seriously.

Do you think his smart-ass answer to me was entirely OK?


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:11:49 +0000, Brian Smith wrote:

>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.

> You're doing a fine job of coming off as a class "A" fool, yourself.

Why do you think that? Seriously.

Do you think his smart-ass answer to me was entirely OK?


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:11:49 +0000, Brian Smith wrote:

>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.

> You're doing a fine job of coming off as a class "A" fool, yourself.

Why do you think that? Seriously.

Do you think his smart-ass answer to me was entirely OK?


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.07.14.22.07.28.495892@lan.invalid...
>
> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.
>

I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
such things. I am aware that I rarely carry anything that can break a car
window, although if I have no alternative I have a small pocketknife that
would have an outside chance if I hit hard enough near an edge. Tempered
glass is amazingly tough.

It is really only an issue in fires and potential fires, since the other
crisis - submersion - requires a window to be opened before a door can be
opened anyway. For other accidents it is almost always better to leave
everybody where they are and protect the scene until the pros get there.
Moving accident victims gives me the shivers.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.07.14.22.07.28.495892@lan.invalid...
>
> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.
>

I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
such things. I am aware that I rarely carry anything that can break a car
window, although if I have no alternative I have a small pocketknife that
would have an outside chance if I hit hard enough near an edge. Tempered
glass is amazingly tough.

It is really only an issue in fires and potential fires, since the other
crisis - submersion - requires a window to be opened before a door can be
opened anyway. For other accidents it is almost always better to leave
everybody where they are and protect the scene until the pros get there.
Moving accident victims gives me the shivers.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.07.14.22.07.28.495892@lan.invalid...
>
> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.
>

I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
such things. I am aware that I rarely carry anything that can break a car
window, although if I have no alternative I have a small pocketknife that
would have an outside chance if I hit hard enough near an edge. Tempered
glass is amazingly tough.

It is really only an issue in fires and potential fires, since the other
crisis - submersion - requires a window to be opened before a door can be
opened anyway. For other accidents it is almost always better to leave
everybody where they are and protect the scene until the pros get there.
Moving accident victims gives me the shivers.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

Dan C wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:29:26 -0400, Joe LaVigne wrote:
>
>>>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?
>
>>> Yeah, I did.
>
>>>> It is there, but you have to set it...
>
>>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.
>>> Thanks anyway.
>
>> Hey, look, you're just as much of an here as you are in the
>> Ubuntu
>> group... If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up directly to that
>> post, and was the only one here who tried to actually address your
>> question.
>
> Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first one.
> As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with your
> answer, so it doesn't count for much.
>
>> What a douche...
>
> Yeah. Namecalling. Who's the , again?

Past experience is clear on this, you are a clear winner here, Danny Boy...

Re: New Honda owner
 

Dan C wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:29:26 -0400, Joe LaVigne wrote:
>
>>>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?
>
>>> Yeah, I did.
>
>>>> It is there, but you have to set it...
>
>>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.
>>> Thanks anyway.
>
>> Hey, look, you're just as much of an here as you are in the
>> Ubuntu
>> group... If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up directly to that
>> post, and was the only one here who tried to actually address your
>> question.
>
> Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first one.
> As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with your
> answer, so it doesn't count for much.
>
>> What a douche...
>
> Yeah. Namecalling. Who's the , again?

Past experience is clear on this, you are a clear winner here, Danny Boy...

Re: New Honda owner
 

Dan C wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:29:26 -0400, Joe LaVigne wrote:
>
>>>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?
>
>>> Yeah, I did.
>
>>>> It is there, but you have to set it...
>
>>> It's not there. If you're gonna make smart-ass replies, be sure you're
>>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.
>>> Thanks anyway.
>
>> Hey, look, you're just as much of an here as you are in the
>> Ubuntu
>> group... If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up directly to that
>> post, and was the only one here who tried to actually address your
>> question.
>
> Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first one.
> As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with your
> answer, so it doesn't count for much.
>
>> What a douche...
>
> Yeah. Namecalling. Who's the , again?

Past experience is clear on this, you are a clear winner here, Danny Boy...

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered
>> it
>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on
>> any
>> of my cars.
>
> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
> not.
>
> --
> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
>
=================
I test drove a Honda CRV 7-14-07 and it had that feature.
Bill

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered
>> it
>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on
>> any
>> of my cars.
>
> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
> not.
>
> --
> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
>
=================
I test drove a Honda CRV 7-14-07 and it had that feature.
Bill