Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

I believe the hybrids are still only made in Japan so they probably don't
make much money on them even at extra high price. Also gas mileage rating
went down this year.


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>
> I just heard a news report on the radio indicating that Honda Inc.
> indicated that they are not selling as many Hybrid Accords as
> they expected to sell. As a result, they will cut back on their
> production of Hybrid Accords.
>
> I believe there are two reasons:
>
> 1. Most people did not want to pay the extra costs related
> to buying a Hybrid Accord.
>
> 2. The Hybrid Accord does NOT look like a Hybrid car.
> Those people that want to impress their friends and Co-workers
> with a Hybrid vehicle would prefer the Toyota Prius since
> it looks like a Hybrid. I already know that there are other
> reasons that people prefer the Prius--such as the design
> of the car.
>
> What's your opinion on this subject?
> Jason
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Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

My wife gets around 28 mpg crawling in stop and go traffic to work. Without
the electric motor and battery you could not have autostop with ac running
so it is a hybrid.


"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:32:33 -0500, "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> I just heard a news report on the radio indicating that Honda Inc.
>>> indicated that they are not selling as many Hybrid Accords as
>>> they expected to sell. As a result, they will cut back on their
>>> production of Hybrid Accords.
>>
>>The Accord Hybrid is not a real hybrid. It is a V6 with a small
>>electric assist motor that can add 2 or 3 mpg at most. And
>>that is probably on a good day.
>>
>>Honda should have built this vehicle with the I4 motor and just
>>made it a bigger version of the Civic Hybrid. Instead, they
>>made an expensive hotrod (0 to 60 mph in 6 sec!).
>>
>>Real hybrids have electric motors that can drive the vehicles
>>by themselves and electric A/C, electric power steering.
>>
>>Lynn
>
> I agree that Honda missed the mark on the Accord Hybrid. It made for
> a fun car but not attractive to the mainstream Accord shopper. I
> think the 4 cyl outsells the V6 by 4 to 1 already. If they wanted to
> go the hybrid hotrod route, they should have done the RSX or Civic Si.
>
> I don't agree that a "real hybrid" has to be able to run off
> electricity alone. The Civic nearly matches the Prius in mpg even
> though it was not purpose built as a hybrid and it uses much less
> expensive batteries and motor. I know a woman who owns an Accord
> Hybrid and claims it gets about 38 mpg on the highway.
>
>

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

My wife gets around 28 mpg crawling in stop and go traffic to work. Without
the electric motor and battery you could not have autostop with ac running
so it is a hybrid.


"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:32:33 -0500, "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> I just heard a news report on the radio indicating that Honda Inc.
>>> indicated that they are not selling as many Hybrid Accords as
>>> they expected to sell. As a result, they will cut back on their
>>> production of Hybrid Accords.
>>
>>The Accord Hybrid is not a real hybrid. It is a V6 with a small
>>electric assist motor that can add 2 or 3 mpg at most. And
>>that is probably on a good day.
>>
>>Honda should have built this vehicle with the I4 motor and just
>>made it a bigger version of the Civic Hybrid. Instead, they
>>made an expensive hotrod (0 to 60 mph in 6 sec!).
>>
>>Real hybrids have electric motors that can drive the vehicles
>>by themselves and electric A/C, electric power steering.
>>
>>Lynn
>
> I agree that Honda missed the mark on the Accord Hybrid. It made for
> a fun car but not attractive to the mainstream Accord shopper. I
> think the 4 cyl outsells the V6 by 4 to 1 already. If they wanted to
> go the hybrid hotrod route, they should have done the RSX or Civic Si.
>
> I don't agree that a "real hybrid" has to be able to run off
> electricity alone. The Civic nearly matches the Prius in mpg even
> though it was not purpose built as a hybrid and it uses much less
> expensive batteries and motor. I know a woman who owns an Accord
> Hybrid and claims it gets about 38 mpg on the highway.
>
>

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

IMO Honda completely missed the boat on this one by going for a
"performance hybrid". Nobody needs even higher performance than the V-6
Accord already offers, and the price of the Hybrid Accord is a show
stopper. Why pay the price on an Acura TL to get a Honda sedan?

Hybrids should be about great fuel economy, and the Accord hybrid real
world economy is little better than the 4 cylinder Accord.

IMO Honda would do much better selling a high economy 1.8 L turbocharged
version of the Accord instead of the silly V-6 hybrid. With the new
focus on fuel economy we are going to see more use of smaller engines
with turbochargers. Even Honda is about to get into the turbo act with
the new Acura RDX.

John

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

IMO Honda completely missed the boat on this one by going for a
"performance hybrid". Nobody needs even higher performance than the V-6
Accord already offers, and the price of the Hybrid Accord is a show
stopper. Why pay the price on an Acura TL to get a Honda sedan?

Hybrids should be about great fuel economy, and the Accord hybrid real
world economy is little better than the 4 cylinder Accord.

IMO Honda would do much better selling a high economy 1.8 L turbocharged
version of the Accord instead of the silly V-6 hybrid. With the new
focus on fuel economy we are going to see more use of smaller engines
with turbochargers. Even Honda is about to get into the turbo act with
the new Acura RDX.

John

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

Michael Pardee wrote:

>
> Toyota is selling all they can make, with most areas still putting buyers
> on waiting lists.
>
> The problem is that no car has ever gotten the advertised mileage.

Total BS. I consistently get fuel economy results with our conventional
engine cars which are well within the bounds of the EPA test results.
Our V-6 Accord fuel economy ranges from 24-30 mpg depending on the
highway/local mix. Our Acura TSX is getting 25-32 mpg in our use. EPA
test numbers on those cars are 21/30 for the Accord and 22/32 for the
TSX. In my case, the correlation between EPS test and real world use
is right on the money.

Something is screwy with hybrids in particular in that their real world
mileage is so different from the EPA test numbers.

JOhn

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

Michael Pardee wrote:

>
> Toyota is selling all they can make, with most areas still putting buyers
> on waiting lists.
>
> The problem is that no car has ever gotten the advertised mileage.

Total BS. I consistently get fuel economy results with our conventional
engine cars which are well within the bounds of the EPA test results.
Our V-6 Accord fuel economy ranges from 24-30 mpg depending on the
highway/local mix. Our Acura TSX is getting 25-32 mpg in our use. EPA
test numbers on those cars are 21/30 for the Accord and 22/32 for the
TSX. In my case, the correlation between EPS test and real world use
is right on the money.

Something is screwy with hybrids in particular in that their real world
mileage is so different from the EPA test numbers.

JOhn

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

In article <k571g.7291$JY5.5544@trnddc01>, John Horner
<jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:

> IMO Honda completely missed the boat on this one by going for a
> "performance hybrid". Nobody needs even higher performance than the V-6
> Accord already offers, and the price of the Hybrid Accord is a show
> stopper. Why pay the price on an Acura TL to get a Honda sedan?
>
> Hybrids should be about great fuel economy, and the Accord hybrid real
> world economy is little better than the 4 cylinder Accord.
>
> IMO Honda would do much better selling a high economy 1.8 L turbocharged
> version of the Accord instead of the silly V-6 hybrid. With the new
> focus on fuel economy we are going to see more use of smaller engines
> with turbochargers. Even Honda is about to get into the turbo act with
> the new Acura RDX.
>
> John

John,
I agree with you. The new Honda Fit will get 33 mpg in the city and 38
miles on the highway. It's my opinion that lots of people will buy the
Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris (for about $15,000 per car) instead of
overpriced Hybrids. The cost of a Toyata Prius is about $23,000 per car.
Do you agree?
Jason

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Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

In article <k571g.7291$JY5.5544@trnddc01>, John Horner
<jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:

> IMO Honda completely missed the boat on this one by going for a
> "performance hybrid". Nobody needs even higher performance than the V-6
> Accord already offers, and the price of the Hybrid Accord is a show
> stopper. Why pay the price on an Acura TL to get a Honda sedan?
>
> Hybrids should be about great fuel economy, and the Accord hybrid real
> world economy is little better than the 4 cylinder Accord.
>
> IMO Honda would do much better selling a high economy 1.8 L turbocharged
> version of the Accord instead of the silly V-6 hybrid. With the new
> focus on fuel economy we are going to see more use of smaller engines
> with turbochargers. Even Honda is about to get into the turbo act with
> the new Acura RDX.
>
> John

John,
I agree with you. The new Honda Fit will get 33 mpg in the city and 38
miles on the highway. It's my opinion that lots of people will buy the
Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris (for about $15,000 per car) instead of
overpriced Hybrids. The cost of a Toyata Prius is about $23,000 per car.
Do you agree?
Jason

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Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

> I agree with you. The new Honda Fit will get 33 mpg in the city and 38
> miles on the highway. It's my opinion that lots of people will buy the
> Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris (for about $15,000 per car) instead of
> overpriced Hybrids. The cost of a Toyata Prius is about $23,000 per car.

My wife's 97 and 2005 Civic EX coupes with 5 speeds were advertised
to get 33 / 38 mpg. They both get about 25 / 35 mpg. But, she drives
with that right pedal flat on the floor.

Lynn

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

> I agree with you. The new Honda Fit will get 33 mpg in the city and 38
> miles on the highway. It's my opinion that lots of people will buy the
> Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris (for about $15,000 per car) instead of
> overpriced Hybrids. The cost of a Toyata Prius is about $23,000 per car.

My wife's 97 and 2005 Civic EX coupes with 5 speeds were advertised
to get 33 / 38 mpg. They both get about 25 / 35 mpg. But, she drives
with that right pedal flat on the floor.

Lynn

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:02:43 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Michael Pardee wrote:
>
>>
>> Toyota is selling all they can make, with most areas still putting buyers
>> on waiting lists.
>>
>> The problem is that no car has ever gotten the advertised mileage.
>
>Total BS. I consistently get fuel economy results with our conventional
>engine cars which are well within the bounds of the EPA test results.
>Our V-6 Accord fuel economy ranges from 24-30 mpg depending on the
>highway/local mix. Our Acura TSX is getting 25-32 mpg in our use. EPA
>test numbers on those cars are 21/30 for the Accord and 22/32 for the
>TSX. In my case, the correlation between EPS test and real world use
>is right on the money.

gotta agree. I have a 97 t+C as well as my 89 civic. Its a lot easier
to track milage with the van, since its got the display right there,
so there goes. Its the 3.8, and the sheet in the glove box (yep, still
there, pristine) shows 18/24 EPa. It was a work vehicle for 3 months,
carrying crates of merchendise up and down georgia for merchendise
racks. Even loadd down most of the time, it was averaging 26mpg.
Around town, if I put the front and rear AC on, and drive 'spiritidly'
I'll maybe get 16. I did a trip from atlanta to talahassee, and was
back in georgia before having to fill up, something like 32mpg
overall. The trick is how you drive. Be smooth, look ahead and
anticipate, and you'll get much better figures. If you see a red light
ahead, slow gently from a long way, odds are then that it'll change
before you get there and you don't have to stop. WE've debated
coasting endlessly, and down hills, the maths disproved the myth about
it making your brakes fail. of course, conversely, if you're comming
to a stop, leave it in gear, you'll use less fuel then.

There are slightly smaller things too to boost your milage, like
refuel at the coldest time possible, or get a diesel (and not a nasty
smokey old engine as is available in trucks, but nice modern ones such
as in the VW golf/jetta or the dodge [mercedies] sprinter for
commercial vehicles) I again repeat the feat of the BBC driver who got
over 40mpg from a 4l twin turbo Audi A8 diesel (which also has a
6second 0-60 time if you need it)

>
>Something is screwy with hybrids in particular in that their real world
>mileage is so different from the EPA test numbers.

Such as the highly specialised control systems possibly sensing the
conditions of an EPA test, and reacting accordingly?

>
>JOhn

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:02:43 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Michael Pardee wrote:
>
>>
>> Toyota is selling all they can make, with most areas still putting buyers
>> on waiting lists.
>>
>> The problem is that no car has ever gotten the advertised mileage.
>
>Total BS. I consistently get fuel economy results with our conventional
>engine cars which are well within the bounds of the EPA test results.
>Our V-6 Accord fuel economy ranges from 24-30 mpg depending on the
>highway/local mix. Our Acura TSX is getting 25-32 mpg in our use. EPA
>test numbers on those cars are 21/30 for the Accord and 22/32 for the
>TSX. In my case, the correlation between EPS test and real world use
>is right on the money.

gotta agree. I have a 97 t+C as well as my 89 civic. Its a lot easier
to track milage with the van, since its got the display right there,
so there goes. Its the 3.8, and the sheet in the glove box (yep, still
there, pristine) shows 18/24 EPa. It was a work vehicle for 3 months,
carrying crates of merchendise up and down georgia for merchendise
racks. Even loadd down most of the time, it was averaging 26mpg.
Around town, if I put the front and rear AC on, and drive 'spiritidly'
I'll maybe get 16. I did a trip from atlanta to talahassee, and was
back in georgia before having to fill up, something like 32mpg
overall. The trick is how you drive. Be smooth, look ahead and
anticipate, and you'll get much better figures. If you see a red light
ahead, slow gently from a long way, odds are then that it'll change
before you get there and you don't have to stop. WE've debated
coasting endlessly, and down hills, the maths disproved the myth about
it making your brakes fail. of course, conversely, if you're comming
to a stop, leave it in gear, you'll use less fuel then.

There are slightly smaller things too to boost your milage, like
refuel at the coldest time possible, or get a diesel (and not a nasty
smokey old engine as is available in trucks, but nice modern ones such
as in the VW golf/jetta or the dodge [mercedies] sprinter for
commercial vehicles) I again repeat the feat of the BBC driver who got
over 40mpg from a 4l twin turbo Audi A8 diesel (which also has a
6second 0-60 time if you need it)

>
>Something is screwy with hybrids in particular in that their real world
>mileage is so different from the EPA test numbers.

Such as the highly specialised control systems possibly sensing the
conditions of an EPA test, and reacting accordingly?

>
>JOhn

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:00:07 GMT, Larry the Free
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:

>Waiving the right to remain silent, jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
>
>> Those people that want to impress their friends and Co-workers
>> with a Hybrid vehicle would prefer the Toyota Prius since
>> it looks like a Hybrid.
>
>What does a Hybrid "look like"..? Why should it look any different than
>an ordinary car..?

Because how else will the poseurs driving them convay to everyone how
'enviromentally hip' they are (omitting that it'll take some 100,000
miles to offset the pollution caused by the battery production,
however many miles the disposal of the batteries will take, and how
they could probably get similar performance and economy if the heavy
electrical system was taken out anyway (acceleration = force/mass,
reduce the mass, you need less force - same as a car with 4 boss
hawg's in will have to work much harder than if there were 4 japanese
schoolgirls, all in very light clothes in there)

>
>Honda's original Hybrid looked so odd, it's no wonder they couldn't sell
>them.

not so much spin on it, and no celbrity endorsements. Cars sell on
coolness, nothing else. If its not cool, it won't sell. Thats why
motorsports are so important to manufacturers. Rallying, touring cars,
movies etc. all help sell the cars by making them cool. look at wht
the Italian job did for the mini's. I get in one, I sure want to race
around Turin. gone n 60 seconds helped make the mustang iconic. Jackie
chan and mitsubishi... the list is endless.

Re: News Report re: Hybrid Accords
 

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:00:07 GMT, Larry the Free
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:

>Waiving the right to remain silent, jason@nospam.com (Jason) said:
>
>> Those people that want to impress their friends and Co-workers
>> with a Hybrid vehicle would prefer the Toyota Prius since
>> it looks like a Hybrid.
>
>What does a Hybrid "look like"..? Why should it look any different than
>an ordinary car..?

Because how else will the poseurs driving them convay to everyone how
'enviromentally hip' they are (omitting that it'll take some 100,000
miles to offset the pollution caused by the battery production,
however many miles the disposal of the batteries will take, and how
they could probably get similar performance and economy if the heavy
electrical system was taken out anyway (acceleration = force/mass,
reduce the mass, you need less force - same as a car with 4 boss
hawg's in will have to work much harder than if there were 4 japanese
schoolgirls, all in very light clothes in there)

>
>Honda's original Hybrid looked so odd, it's no wonder they couldn't sell
>them.

not so much spin on it, and no celbrity endorsements. Cars sell on
coolness, nothing else. If its not cool, it won't sell. Thats why
motorsports are so important to manufacturers. Rallying, touring cars,
movies etc. all help sell the cars by making them cool. look at wht
the Italian job did for the mini's. I get in one, I sure want to race
around Turin. gone n 60 seconds helped make the mustang iconic. Jackie
chan and mitsubishi... the list is endless.