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Is the Odyssey done?
Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at
the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as he swerved to avoid the rabbit. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
Waiving the right to remain silent, Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> said:
> Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at > the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey > is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? That would be odd. They seem to sell a lot of them. -- Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
Waiving the right to remain silent, Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> said:
> Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at > the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey > is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? That would be odd. They seem to sell a lot of them. -- Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:54:51 GMT, Larry in AZ
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote: >Waiving the right to remain silent, Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> said: > >> Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at >> the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey >> is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? > >That would be odd. They seem to sell a lot of them. The magazines say the 2008 has been at auto shows, will be at the dealers next week. And a redesign is planned for the 2010 model year. That doesn't sound "done" to me. M.J. in Beverly Hills 2006 Honda Odyssey 1968 Mercedes 280SEL |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:54:51 GMT, Larry in AZ
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote: >Waiving the right to remain silent, Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> said: > >> Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at >> the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey >> is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? > >That would be odd. They seem to sell a lot of them. The magazines say the 2008 has been at auto shows, will be at the dealers next week. And a redesign is planned for the 2010 model year. That doesn't sound "done" to me. M.J. in Beverly Hills 2006 Honda Odyssey 1968 Mercedes 280SEL |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
They seem to sell a zillion of them in Cary, NC. No, I doubt they are done.
"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message news:pan.2007.10.15.03.18.22.944801@lan.invalid... > Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at > the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey > is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? > > > -- > "Bother!" said Pooh, as he swerved to avoid the rabbit. > |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
They seem to sell a zillion of them in Cary, NC. No, I doubt they are done.
"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message news:pan.2007.10.15.03.18.22.944801@lan.invalid... > Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at > the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey > is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? > > > -- > "Bother!" said Pooh, as he swerved to avoid the rabbit. > |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
In article <pan.2007.10.15.03.18.22.944801@lan.invalid>,
Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote: > Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at > the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey > is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? Where did you "hear" that? There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. And the Touring model will no longer *force* the buyer into those stupid PAX run-flat tires. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
In article <pan.2007.10.15.03.18.22.944801@lan.invalid>,
Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote: > Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at > the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey > is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? Where did you "hear" that? There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. And the Touring model will no longer *force* the buyer into those stupid PAX run-flat tires. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:41:20 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at >> the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey >> is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? > Where did you "hear" that? From some other auto dealers, who wouldn't have any real reason to lie about it, since they don't make a competing vehicle. They could have been wrong, of course. > There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. Why isn't it shown on the website? The Odyssey is the *only* model to still show only a 2007 model there. Where did Honda "announce" this? -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:41:20 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at >> the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey >> is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? > Where did you "hear" that? From some other auto dealers, who wouldn't have any real reason to lie about it, since they don't make a competing vehicle. They could have been wrong, of course. > There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. Why isn't it shown on the website? The Odyssey is the *only* model to still show only a 2007 model there. Where did Honda "announce" this? -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:58:50 +0000, M.J.Grove wrote:
> The magazines say the 2008 has been at auto shows, will be at the > dealers next week. And a redesign is planned for the 2010 model year. > That doesn't sound "done" to me. Well, that's right, if it's true. Do you have any idea why the Odyssey (and only the Odyssey) still only shows a 2007 model on the Honda website? -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:58:50 +0000, M.J.Grove wrote:
> The magazines say the 2008 has been at auto shows, will be at the > dealers next week. And a redesign is planned for the 2010 model year. > That doesn't sound "done" to me. Well, that's right, if it's true. Do you have any idea why the Odyssey (and only the Odyssey) still only shows a 2007 model on the Honda website? -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.10.15.13.01.23.307157@lan.invalid... > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:58:50 +0000, M.J.Grove wrote: > >> The magazines say the 2008 has been at auto shows, will be at the >> dealers next week. And a redesign is planned for the 2010 model year. >> That doesn't sound "done" to me. > > Well, that's right, if it's true. Do you have any idea why the Odyssey > (and only the Odyssey) still only shows a 2007 model on the Honda website? Why so impatient? It is still 2007 you know... |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.10.15.13.01.23.307157@lan.invalid... > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:58:50 +0000, M.J.Grove wrote: > >> The magazines say the 2008 has been at auto shows, will be at the >> dealers next week. And a redesign is planned for the 2010 model year. >> That doesn't sound "done" to me. > > Well, that's right, if it's true. Do you have any idea why the Odyssey > (and only the Odyssey) still only shows a 2007 model on the Honda website? Why so impatient? It is still 2007 you know... |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
The 2008 Odyssey will be released in just a few weeks. It will have a mild
facelift in the front grill area and slight change in the rear taillights. Howard "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message news:pan.2007.10.15.03.18.22.944801@lan.invalid... > Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at > the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey > is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? > > > -- > "Bother!" said Pooh, as he swerved to avoid the rabbit. > |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
The 2008 Odyssey will be released in just a few weeks. It will have a mild
facelift in the front grill area and slight change in the rear taillights. Howard "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message news:pan.2007.10.15.03.18.22.944801@lan.invalid... > Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking at > the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the Odyssey > is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. What gives? > > > -- > "Bother!" said Pooh, as he swerved to avoid the rabbit. > |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:34:38 -0400, Seth wrote:
>> Well, that's right, if it's true. Do you have any idea why the Odyssey >> (and only the Odyssey) still only shows a 2007 model on the Honda website? > Why so impatient? It is still 2007 you know... Perhaps I want to buy a 2008. This is the time of year when people do that kind of thing. It's just quite strange that *ALL* the other models are available as 2008's, but the Odyssey doesn't even show that on the website, much less on the dealer's lot. -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:34:38 -0400, Seth wrote:
>> Well, that's right, if it's true. Do you have any idea why the Odyssey >> (and only the Odyssey) still only shows a 2007 model on the Honda website? > Why so impatient? It is still 2007 you know... Perhaps I want to buy a 2008. This is the time of year when people do that kind of thing. It's just quite strange that *ALL* the other models are available as 2008's, but the Odyssey doesn't even show that on the website, much less on the dealer's lot. -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
IIRC, the new Accord wasn't on the web site until it was released either, or
just before. I seem to remember going to the site to check a couple weeks ahead of the release and only finding images of a concept version from a while back. Perhaps all the other 2008s are shown because they are all currently available for purchase. Maybe that's just the way Honda does things, possibly in an effort to not cannibalize current sales. ---JRE--- "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message news:pan.2007.10.16.01.32.05.200338@lan.invalid... > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:34:38 -0400, Seth wrote: > >>> Well, that's right, if it's true. Do you have any idea why the Odyssey >>> (and only the Odyssey) still only shows a 2007 model on the Honda >>> website? > >> Why so impatient? It is still 2007 you know... > > Perhaps I want to buy a 2008. This is the time of year when people do > that kind of thing. > > It's just quite strange that *ALL* the other models are available as > 2008's, but the Odyssey doesn't even show that on the website, much less > on the dealer's lot. > > -- > "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. > |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
IIRC, the new Accord wasn't on the web site until it was released either, or
just before. I seem to remember going to the site to check a couple weeks ahead of the release and only finding images of a concept version from a while back. Perhaps all the other 2008s are shown because they are all currently available for purchase. Maybe that's just the way Honda does things, possibly in an effort to not cannibalize current sales. ---JRE--- "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message news:pan.2007.10.16.01.32.05.200338@lan.invalid... > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:34:38 -0400, Seth wrote: > >>> Well, that's right, if it's true. Do you have any idea why the Odyssey >>> (and only the Odyssey) still only shows a 2007 model on the Honda >>> website? > >> Why so impatient? It is still 2007 you know... > > Perhaps I want to buy a 2008. This is the time of year when people do > that kind of thing. > > It's just quite strange that *ALL* the other models are available as > 2008's, but the Odyssey doesn't even show that on the website, much less > on the dealer's lot. > > -- > "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. > |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:59:40 -0500, Dan C wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:41:20 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: > >>> Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking >>> at the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the >>> Odyssey is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. >>> What gives? > >> Where did you "hear" that? > > From some other auto dealers, who wouldn't have any real reason to lie > about it, since they don't make a competing vehicle. They could have > been wrong, of course. > >> There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. > > Why isn't it shown on the website? The Odyssey is the *only* model to > still show only a 2007 model there. Where did Honda "announce" this? Are you ing dense? Honda does not put unreleased cars onto their site. The Odyssey will be on the site when they hit the dealers. It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the stores. You continue to push the current model out the door until the last minute. -- Joe - Registered Linux User #449481 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:59:40 -0500, Dan C wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:41:20 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: > >>> Heard a rumor that 2007 will be the last year of the Odyssey. Looking >>> at the Honda website, I see all kinds of 2008 models shown, but the >>> Odyssey is specifically still listed as "2007", with no 2008 model. >>> What gives? > >> Where did you "hear" that? > > From some other auto dealers, who wouldn't have any real reason to lie > about it, since they don't make a competing vehicle. They could have > been wrong, of course. > >> There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. > > Why isn't it shown on the website? The Odyssey is the *only* model to > still show only a 2007 model there. Where did Honda "announce" this? Are you ing dense? Honda does not put unreleased cars onto their site. The Odyssey will be on the site when they hit the dealers. It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the stores. You continue to push the current model out the door until the last minute. -- Joe - Registered Linux User #449481 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:44:13 -0500, Joe wrote:
>>> There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. >> Why isn't it shown on the website? The Odyssey is the *only* model to >> still show only a 2007 model there. Where did Honda "announce" this? > Are you ing dense? No, but you apparently are. > Honda does not put unreleased cars onto their site. The Odyssey will be > on the site when they hit the dealers. Oh, so they don't advertise the new models before they're actually on the lot, huh? See above regarding "dense". > It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the stores. > You continue to push the current model out the door until the last > minute. The last minute has come and gone already, doofus. If it's so "stupid" to advertise the new model, why does *EVERYONE* else do it? Are *ALL* of the other 2008 Honda models available *RIGHT NOW* on your local dealer's lot? If not, you're full of . But you already knew that. -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:44:13 -0500, Joe wrote:
>>> There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. >> Why isn't it shown on the website? The Odyssey is the *only* model to >> still show only a 2007 model there. Where did Honda "announce" this? > Are you ing dense? No, but you apparently are. > Honda does not put unreleased cars onto their site. The Odyssey will be > on the site when they hit the dealers. Oh, so they don't advertise the new models before they're actually on the lot, huh? See above regarding "dense". > It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the stores. > You continue to push the current model out the door until the last > minute. The last minute has come and gone already, doofus. If it's so "stupid" to advertise the new model, why does *EVERYONE* else do it? Are *ALL* of the other 2008 Honda models available *RIGHT NOW* on your local dealer's lot? If not, you're full of . But you already knew that. -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:39:07 -0500, Dan C wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:44:13 -0500, Joe wrote: > >>>> There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. > >>> Why isn't it shown on the website? The Odyssey is the *only* model to >>> still show only a 2007 model there. Where did Honda "announce" this? > >> Are you ing dense? > > No, but you apparently are. > >> Honda does not put unreleased cars onto their site. The Odyssey will >> be on the site when they hit the dealers. > > Oh, so they don't advertise the new models before they're actually on > the lot, huh? See above regarding "dense". No, they don't. > >> It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the >> stores. You continue to push the current model out the door until the >> last minute. > > The last minute has come and gone already, doofus. If it's so "stupid" > to advertise the new model, why does *EVERYONE* else do it? Are *ALL* > of the other 2008 Honda models available *RIGHT NOW* on your local > dealer's lot? If not, you're full of . Yes, all of the '08's are on the lot, except for the Odyssey. I was at my dealer Monday. They also did not have any '08 Si's, but that is not uncommon. I just checked Honda's site, and the 08 Ody is now listed, meaning it has, at very least, been shipped. You'll probably be able to find one at your local dealer within the next couple of weeks, at the longest. > > But you already knew that. That you are a ing dolt? Yup. -- Joe - Registered Linux User #449481 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:39:07 -0500, Dan C wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:44:13 -0500, Joe wrote: > >>>> There will be a 2008 Odyssey. Honda has already announced it. > >>> Why isn't it shown on the website? The Odyssey is the *only* model to >>> still show only a 2007 model there. Where did Honda "announce" this? > >> Are you ing dense? > > No, but you apparently are. > >> Honda does not put unreleased cars onto their site. The Odyssey will >> be on the site when they hit the dealers. > > Oh, so they don't advertise the new models before they're actually on > the lot, huh? See above regarding "dense". No, they don't. > >> It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the >> stores. You continue to push the current model out the door until the >> last minute. > > The last minute has come and gone already, doofus. If it's so "stupid" > to advertise the new model, why does *EVERYONE* else do it? Are *ALL* > of the other 2008 Honda models available *RIGHT NOW* on your local > dealer's lot? If not, you're full of . Yes, all of the '08's are on the lot, except for the Odyssey. I was at my dealer Monday. They also did not have any '08 Si's, but that is not uncommon. I just checked Honda's site, and the 08 Ody is now listed, meaning it has, at very least, been shipped. You'll probably be able to find one at your local dealer within the next couple of weeks, at the longest. > > But you already knew that. That you are a ing dolt? Yup. -- Joe - Registered Linux User #449481 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:25:57 -0500, Joe wrote:
>>> It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the >>> stores. You continue to push the current model out the door until the >>> last minute. >> The last minute has come and gone already, doofus. If it's so "stupid" >> to advertise the new model, why does *EVERYONE* else do it? Are *ALL* >> of the other 2008 Honda models available *RIGHT NOW* on your local >> dealer's lot? If not, you're full of . > Yes, all of the '08's are on the lot, except for the Odyssey. I was at > my dealer Monday. They also did not have any '08 Si's, but that is not > uncommon. Horseshit. I checked two dealerships close by, and they have hardly any 08's, of any model. >> But you already knew that. > That you are a ing dolt? Yup. No, that you're full of . Bugger off, boy. -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:25:57 -0500, Joe wrote:
>>> It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the >>> stores. You continue to push the current model out the door until the >>> last minute. >> The last minute has come and gone already, doofus. If it's so "stupid" >> to advertise the new model, why does *EVERYONE* else do it? Are *ALL* >> of the other 2008 Honda models available *RIGHT NOW* on your local >> dealer's lot? If not, you're full of . > Yes, all of the '08's are on the lot, except for the Odyssey. I was at > my dealer Monday. They also did not have any '08 Si's, but that is not > uncommon. Horseshit. I checked two dealerships close by, and they have hardly any 08's, of any model. >> But you already knew that. > That you are a ing dolt? Yup. No, that you're full of . Bugger off, boy. -- "Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again. |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:49:38 -0500, Dan C wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:25:57 -0500, Joe wrote: > >>>> It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the >>>> stores. You continue to push the current model out the door until the >>>> last minute. > >>> The last minute has come and gone already, doofus. If it's so >>> "stupid" to advertise the new model, why does *EVERYONE* else do it? >>> Are *ALL* of the other 2008 Honda models available *RIGHT NOW* on your >>> local dealer's lot? If not, you're full of . > >> Yes, all of the '08's are on the lot, except for the Odyssey. I was at >> my dealer Monday. They also did not have any '08 Si's, but that is not >> uncommon. > > Horseshit. I checked two dealerships close by, and they have hardly any > 08's, of any model. Then you need a better dealer. Had maintenance done on my '06 Monday. Was there for about 3 Hours. Not much else to do but wander around and look at the new toys. New Accords, Civics, and CR-V's were the ones I looked at the most... > >>> But you already knew that. > >> That you are a ing dolt? Yup. > > No, that you're full of . Bugger off, boy. No, I think I had it right. And I have your "boy" right here, troll... -- Joe - Registered Linux User #449481 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Is the Odyssey done?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:49:38 -0500, Dan C wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:25:57 -0500, Joe wrote: > >>>> It would be stupid to advertise the new model before it hits the >>>> stores. You continue to push the current model out the door until the >>>> last minute. > >>> The last minute has come and gone already, doofus. If it's so >>> "stupid" to advertise the new model, why does *EVERYONE* else do it? >>> Are *ALL* of the other 2008 Honda models available *RIGHT NOW* on your >>> local dealer's lot? If not, you're full of . > >> Yes, all of the '08's are on the lot, except for the Odyssey. I was at >> my dealer Monday. They also did not have any '08 Si's, but that is not >> uncommon. > > Horseshit. I checked two dealerships close by, and they have hardly any > 08's, of any model. Then you need a better dealer. Had maintenance done on my '06 Monday. Was there for about 3 Hours. Not much else to do but wander around and look at the new toys. New Accords, Civics, and CR-V's were the ones I looked at the most... > >>> But you already knew that. > >> That you are a ing dolt? Yup. > > No, that you're full of . Bugger off, boy. No, I think I had it right. And I have your "boy" right here, troll... -- Joe - Registered Linux User #449481 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
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