Re: Odyssey trasmissions
 

In article <nospam-66BD78.03590514022004@news.la.sbcglobal.net>,
SA <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> My guess is if problems emerge, Honda will take care of it, like they
> did with the Accord warranty extension. Still, this is not the Honda
> quality you expect, and it probably would not happen with a Toyota.

Well, they're not perfect, either. Lexus ES300 transmissions have their
own share of problems. Granted, that's at around 125K miles or so...

But then there's the engine oil sludge problem. Toyota can't make me
believe that all of the sudden people stopped taking care of their cars
and didn't do oil changes. No, too many people have reported this;
where there's smoke, there's fire.

Toyota has its share of problems, too.

And then there's the bad programming in the new Lexus ES transmission
controllers.



> Here is what went wrong with my Accord. Luckily, I got rid of the car
> before the tranny failed:
>
> At 10k miles, the brakes developed a serious shimmy. This was from
> warped rotors (all 4 rotors!! obviously a manufacturing defect!!!).
> Honda initially didn't want to fix this under warrranty (cost of $290)
> but eventually relented and paid for it.

Good for you! I had my certified used 2000 Accord for about 6 months
when my BRAND NEW brakes (including resurfaced rotors) did the same
thing. I think this is a Honda feature....



> At 26k miles, the REAR disc pads WORE out.

That absolutely should not be. On my 92 Si, the rears went for 75K.
Most people would have them go longer.

Re: Odyssey trasmissions
 

In article <nospam-66BD78.03590514022004@news.la.sbcglobal.net>,
SA <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> My guess is if problems emerge, Honda will take care of it, like they
> did with the Accord warranty extension. Still, this is not the Honda
> quality you expect, and it probably would not happen with a Toyota.

Well, they're not perfect, either. Lexus ES300 transmissions have their
own share of problems. Granted, that's at around 125K miles or so...

But then there's the engine oil sludge problem. Toyota can't make me
believe that all of the sudden people stopped taking care of their cars
and didn't do oil changes. No, too many people have reported this;
where there's smoke, there's fire.

Toyota has its share of problems, too.

And then there's the bad programming in the new Lexus ES transmission
controllers.



> Here is what went wrong with my Accord. Luckily, I got rid of the car
> before the tranny failed:
>
> At 10k miles, the brakes developed a serious shimmy. This was from
> warped rotors (all 4 rotors!! obviously a manufacturing defect!!!).
> Honda initially didn't want to fix this under warrranty (cost of $290)
> but eventually relented and paid for it.

Good for you! I had my certified used 2000 Accord for about 6 months
when my BRAND NEW brakes (including resurfaced rotors) did the same
thing. I think this is a Honda feature....



> At 26k miles, the REAR disc pads WORE out.

That absolutely should not be. On my 92 Si, the rears went for 75K.
Most people would have them go longer.

Re: Odyssey trasmissions
 

In article <nospam-66BD78.03590514022004@news.la.sbcglobal.net>,
SA <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> My guess is if problems emerge, Honda will take care of it, like they
> did with the Accord warranty extension. Still, this is not the Honda
> quality you expect, and it probably would not happen with a Toyota.

Well, they're not perfect, either. Lexus ES300 transmissions have their
own share of problems. Granted, that's at around 125K miles or so...

But then there's the engine oil sludge problem. Toyota can't make me
believe that all of the sudden people stopped taking care of their cars
and didn't do oil changes. No, too many people have reported this;
where there's smoke, there's fire.

Toyota has its share of problems, too.

And then there's the bad programming in the new Lexus ES transmission
controllers.



> Here is what went wrong with my Accord. Luckily, I got rid of the car
> before the tranny failed:
>
> At 10k miles, the brakes developed a serious shimmy. This was from
> warped rotors (all 4 rotors!! obviously a manufacturing defect!!!).
> Honda initially didn't want to fix this under warrranty (cost of $290)
> but eventually relented and paid for it.

Good for you! I had my certified used 2000 Accord for about 6 months
when my BRAND NEW brakes (including resurfaced rotors) did the same
thing. I think this is a Honda feature....



> At 26k miles, the REAR disc pads WORE out.

That absolutely should not be. On my 92 Si, the rears went for 75K.
Most people would have them go longer.

Re: Odyssey trasmissions
 

Hi SA,
I have read about your issues, and I guess what my original comments were
referring to is that I have never had any premature wear/quality/reliability
concerns with any of the Hondas I have owned.
Example: In May of 1988, I purchased a new '88 Civic and kept it for 7
years. I did literally NOTHING to the car except oil changes + regular
maintenance (i.e. wear items).
I did NOT do the periodic Honda-recommended maintenance checks (at 6000,
12000, 24000 miles, etc.), as I have always felt these are just a dealership
cash-grab. The car performed flawlessly throughout this period, was real fun
to drive, and is largely why we continue to drive Hondas to this day (2000
Civic + 2003 Odyssey).
As you have said, Toyota's are a fine choice as well.
-chris
P.S. I wish I still had that '88 Civic, but it was a tad small with the
birth of our first-born!


"SA" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nospam-66BD78.03590514022004@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com>,
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> > "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
> >
> > Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> > runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> > the original clutch.
> >
> > I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> > related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
> >
> > You should learn to read.
> >
> > You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> > of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> > a few years. Their customers paid the price.
> >
>
> Honda has had some transmision problems that are quite serious. I guess
> the most affected was the 2000-2002 V6 Accord, with the Japanese
> transmission with exceptional failure rates. The problem is
> well-acknowledged, with Honda having extended the warranty for all of
> these models (I can't rmemeber how long but a long time). SUPPOSEDLY,
> all of the V6 auto transmissions (e.g., new Accords and Odysseys) are
> made in the same way and may also have the problem.
>
> I can say for sure the tranmsission also kind of sucked. I had a2001 Acc
> EX V6 Whcih I loved but I hated the tranny. It had retarded shift
> points (one which caused it to dodge between 3 and O/D right at 59 mph
> cruise), was unresponsive and generally ill-behaved. I have the new
> 5-speed auto in my '04 Odyssey and it is definitely a much better
> behaved transmission but who knows if it will last long (I don't care
> anyway since it is a 3-yr lease car).
>
> My guess is if problems emerge, Honda will take care of it, like they
> did with the Accord warranty extension. Still, this is not the Honda
> quality you expect, and it probably would not happen with a Toyota.
> Honda has very good quality and more usability in my mind, but my
> Toyotas had fewer problems. My Hondas usually have 1 problem in their
> lifetime (My Accord EXV6 had a few before 27k miles, though), Toyota's
> none.
>
> Here is what went wrong with my Accord. Luckily, I got rid of the car
> before the tranny failed:
>
> At 10k miles, the brakes developed a serious shimmy. This was from
> warped rotors (all 4 rotors!! obviously a manufacturing defect!!!).
> Honda initially didn't want to fix this under warrranty (cost of $290)
> but eventually relented and paid for it. I had complained about the
> problem at 7.5k, actually, but by 10k the car was almost undrivable
> since it would shimmy even if you were not using the brakes. I am also
> concerned that I had to have the rotors turned so early since it would
> reduce both their usable life and the brake pads (my understanding is
> that thinner rotors = more heat = quicker use of pads). Honda assured me
> this was not a problem:::
>
> At 26k miles, the REAR disc pads WORE out. I was pretty surprised since
> my experience with rears has always been that they last like 60k miles.
> I mean that is a long time but 26k seems very premature to me. This was
> mostly highway miles and I am very docile driver. Cost was $300. The
> front discs had less than 1k miles left when I turned the car in at 27k
> miles (although this is not the reason I turned it in, new babies
> require more space!!!)
>
> The car also had certain paint defects that emerged over time. These
> appeared as cracks in the clear-coat (looked like scratches but they
> were not, they also had the shape of the way paint would crack). They
> appeared here and there (like maybe 5 in total about 1-3 inches long). I
> should say I live in SoCal and the car was garaged both at work and at
> home so this was surprising and certainly unexpected.
>
> BUT, I can say in terms of drivability this was the best car I ever
> owned. I loved it. And it didnt leave me anywhere, these were sort of
> problems that were more like nuisance premature wear issues, but not the
> sort of quality you might get from Toyota.

Re: Odyssey trasmissions
 

Hi SA,
I have read about your issues, and I guess what my original comments were
referring to is that I have never had any premature wear/quality/reliability
concerns with any of the Hondas I have owned.
Example: In May of 1988, I purchased a new '88 Civic and kept it for 7
years. I did literally NOTHING to the car except oil changes + regular
maintenance (i.e. wear items).
I did NOT do the periodic Honda-recommended maintenance checks (at 6000,
12000, 24000 miles, etc.), as I have always felt these are just a dealership
cash-grab. The car performed flawlessly throughout this period, was real fun
to drive, and is largely why we continue to drive Hondas to this day (2000
Civic + 2003 Odyssey).
As you have said, Toyota's are a fine choice as well.
-chris
P.S. I wish I still had that '88 Civic, but it was a tad small with the
birth of our first-born!


"SA" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nospam-66BD78.03590514022004@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com>,
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> > "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
> >
> > Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> > runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> > the original clutch.
> >
> > I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> > related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
> >
> > You should learn to read.
> >
> > You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> > of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> > a few years. Their customers paid the price.
> >
>
> Honda has had some transmision problems that are quite serious. I guess
> the most affected was the 2000-2002 V6 Accord, with the Japanese
> transmission with exceptional failure rates. The problem is
> well-acknowledged, with Honda having extended the warranty for all of
> these models (I can't rmemeber how long but a long time). SUPPOSEDLY,
> all of the V6 auto transmissions (e.g., new Accords and Odysseys) are
> made in the same way and may also have the problem.
>
> I can say for sure the tranmsission also kind of sucked. I had a2001 Acc
> EX V6 Whcih I loved but I hated the tranny. It had retarded shift
> points (one which caused it to dodge between 3 and O/D right at 59 mph
> cruise), was unresponsive and generally ill-behaved. I have the new
> 5-speed auto in my '04 Odyssey and it is definitely a much better
> behaved transmission but who knows if it will last long (I don't care
> anyway since it is a 3-yr lease car).
>
> My guess is if problems emerge, Honda will take care of it, like they
> did with the Accord warranty extension. Still, this is not the Honda
> quality you expect, and it probably would not happen with a Toyota.
> Honda has very good quality and more usability in my mind, but my
> Toyotas had fewer problems. My Hondas usually have 1 problem in their
> lifetime (My Accord EXV6 had a few before 27k miles, though), Toyota's
> none.
>
> Here is what went wrong with my Accord. Luckily, I got rid of the car
> before the tranny failed:
>
> At 10k miles, the brakes developed a serious shimmy. This was from
> warped rotors (all 4 rotors!! obviously a manufacturing defect!!!).
> Honda initially didn't want to fix this under warrranty (cost of $290)
> but eventually relented and paid for it. I had complained about the
> problem at 7.5k, actually, but by 10k the car was almost undrivable
> since it would shimmy even if you were not using the brakes. I am also
> concerned that I had to have the rotors turned so early since it would
> reduce both their usable life and the brake pads (my understanding is
> that thinner rotors = more heat = quicker use of pads). Honda assured me
> this was not a problem:::
>
> At 26k miles, the REAR disc pads WORE out. I was pretty surprised since
> my experience with rears has always been that they last like 60k miles.
> I mean that is a long time but 26k seems very premature to me. This was
> mostly highway miles and I am very docile driver. Cost was $300. The
> front discs had less than 1k miles left when I turned the car in at 27k
> miles (although this is not the reason I turned it in, new babies
> require more space!!!)
>
> The car also had certain paint defects that emerged over time. These
> appeared as cracks in the clear-coat (looked like scratches but they
> were not, they also had the shape of the way paint would crack). They
> appeared here and there (like maybe 5 in total about 1-3 inches long). I
> should say I live in SoCal and the car was garaged both at work and at
> home so this was surprising and certainly unexpected.
>
> BUT, I can say in terms of drivability this was the best car I ever
> owned. I loved it. And it didnt leave me anywhere, these were sort of
> problems that were more like nuisance premature wear issues, but not the
> sort of quality you might get from Toyota.

Re: Odyssey trasmissions
 

Hi SA,
I have read about your issues, and I guess what my original comments were
referring to is that I have never had any premature wear/quality/reliability
concerns with any of the Hondas I have owned.
Example: In May of 1988, I purchased a new '88 Civic and kept it for 7
years. I did literally NOTHING to the car except oil changes + regular
maintenance (i.e. wear items).
I did NOT do the periodic Honda-recommended maintenance checks (at 6000,
12000, 24000 miles, etc.), as I have always felt these are just a dealership
cash-grab. The car performed flawlessly throughout this period, was real fun
to drive, and is largely why we continue to drive Hondas to this day (2000
Civic + 2003 Odyssey).
As you have said, Toyota's are a fine choice as well.
-chris
P.S. I wish I still had that '88 Civic, but it was a tad small with the
birth of our first-born!


"SA" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nospam-66BD78.03590514022004@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com>,
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> > "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
> >
> > Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> > runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> > the original clutch.
> >
> > I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> > related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
> >
> > You should learn to read.
> >
> > You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> > of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> > a few years. Their customers paid the price.
> >
>
> Honda has had some transmision problems that are quite serious. I guess
> the most affected was the 2000-2002 V6 Accord, with the Japanese
> transmission with exceptional failure rates. The problem is
> well-acknowledged, with Honda having extended the warranty for all of
> these models (I can't rmemeber how long but a long time). SUPPOSEDLY,
> all of the V6 auto transmissions (e.g., new Accords and Odysseys) are
> made in the same way and may also have the problem.
>
> I can say for sure the tranmsission also kind of sucked. I had a2001 Acc
> EX V6 Whcih I loved but I hated the tranny. It had retarded shift
> points (one which caused it to dodge between 3 and O/D right at 59 mph
> cruise), was unresponsive and generally ill-behaved. I have the new
> 5-speed auto in my '04 Odyssey and it is definitely a much better
> behaved transmission but who knows if it will last long (I don't care
> anyway since it is a 3-yr lease car).
>
> My guess is if problems emerge, Honda will take care of it, like they
> did with the Accord warranty extension. Still, this is not the Honda
> quality you expect, and it probably would not happen with a Toyota.
> Honda has very good quality and more usability in my mind, but my
> Toyotas had fewer problems. My Hondas usually have 1 problem in their
> lifetime (My Accord EXV6 had a few before 27k miles, though), Toyota's
> none.
>
> Here is what went wrong with my Accord. Luckily, I got rid of the car
> before the tranny failed:
>
> At 10k miles, the brakes developed a serious shimmy. This was from
> warped rotors (all 4 rotors!! obviously a manufacturing defect!!!).
> Honda initially didn't want to fix this under warrranty (cost of $290)
> but eventually relented and paid for it. I had complained about the
> problem at 7.5k, actually, but by 10k the car was almost undrivable
> since it would shimmy even if you were not using the brakes. I am also
> concerned that I had to have the rotors turned so early since it would
> reduce both their usable life and the brake pads (my understanding is
> that thinner rotors = more heat = quicker use of pads). Honda assured me
> this was not a problem:::
>
> At 26k miles, the REAR disc pads WORE out. I was pretty surprised since
> my experience with rears has always been that they last like 60k miles.
> I mean that is a long time but 26k seems very premature to me. This was
> mostly highway miles and I am very docile driver. Cost was $300. The
> front discs had less than 1k miles left when I turned the car in at 27k
> miles (although this is not the reason I turned it in, new babies
> require more space!!!)
>
> The car also had certain paint defects that emerged over time. These
> appeared as cracks in the clear-coat (looked like scratches but they
> were not, they also had the shape of the way paint would crack). They
> appeared here and there (like maybe 5 in total about 1-3 inches long). I
> should say I live in SoCal and the car was garaged both at work and at
> home so this was surprising and certainly unexpected.
>
> BUT, I can say in terms of drivability this was the best car I ever
> owned. I loved it. And it didnt leave me anywhere, these were sort of
> problems that were more like nuisance premature wear issues, but not the
> sort of quality you might get from Toyota.

Re: Odyssey trasmissions
 

In article <WCrXb.498094$X%5.453759@pd7tw2no>,
"Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I did NOT do the periodic Honda-recommended maintenance checks (at 6000,
> 12000, 24000 miles, etc.), as I have always felt these are just a dealership
> cash-grab.

I think if you do the oil changes and maybe the 15K checks, CERTAINLY
the 30/60/90K services, a Honda should run forever.

Re: Odyssey trasmissions
 

In article <WCrXb.498094$X%5.453759@pd7tw2no>,
"Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I did NOT do the periodic Honda-recommended maintenance checks (at 6000,
> 12000, 24000 miles, etc.), as I have always felt these are just a dealership
> cash-grab.

I think if you do the oil changes and maybe the 15K checks, CERTAINLY
the 30/60/90K services, a Honda should run forever.

Re: Odyssey trasmissions
 

In article <WCrXb.498094$X%5.453759@pd7tw2no>,
"Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I did NOT do the periodic Honda-recommended maintenance checks (at 6000,
> 12000, 24000 miles, etc.), as I have always felt these are just a dealership
> cash-grab.

I think if you do the oil changes and maybe the 15K checks, CERTAINLY
the 30/60/90K services, a Honda should run forever.