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Re: Oil change issue...
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:21:14 GMT, loewent via CarKB.com wrote:
> 5w20 is the correct oil for most hondas. But not for the Si... -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:20:22 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ "I believe that pipe smoking contributes to a somewhat calm and objective judgment in all human affairs" -- Albert Einstein |
Re: Oil change issue...
On 1 Sep 2006 06:10:44 -0700, bobzee1@gmail.com wrote:
> Joe LaVigne wrote: >> Just got the oil changed for the first time on my 06 Si. >> >> When I got home, I looked at the receipt and noticed that they used 5w20 >> instead of 5w30. it's not like it's printed on the oil cap or anything... > > > check the owner's manual. I did. I didn't ask what the correct oil was, I asked what the effect of using the wrong one is... -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:20:41 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ "(Tobacco is) a companion in solitude; it is a storehouse for reflection and gives time for the fumes of wrath to disperse." -Japanese author |
Re: Oil change issue...
On 1 Sep 2006 06:10:44 -0700, bobzee1@gmail.com wrote:
> Joe LaVigne wrote: >> Just got the oil changed for the first time on my 06 Si. >> >> When I got home, I looked at the receipt and noticed that they used 5w20 >> instead of 5w30. it's not like it's printed on the oil cap or anything... > > > check the owner's manual. I did. I didn't ask what the correct oil was, I asked what the effect of using the wrong one is... -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:20:41 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ "(Tobacco is) a companion in solitude; it is a storehouse for reflection and gives time for the fumes of wrath to disperse." -Japanese author |
Re: Oil change issue...
On 1 Sep 2006 06:10:44 -0700, bobzee1@gmail.com wrote:
> Joe LaVigne wrote: >> Just got the oil changed for the first time on my 06 Si. >> >> When I got home, I looked at the receipt and noticed that they used 5w20 >> instead of 5w30. it's not like it's printed on the oil cap or anything... > > > check the owner's manual. I did. I didn't ask what the correct oil was, I asked what the effect of using the wrong one is... -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:20:41 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ "(Tobacco is) a companion in solitude; it is a storehouse for reflection and gives time for the fumes of wrath to disperse." -Japanese author |
Re: Oil change issue...
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:56:41 GMT, John Horner wrote:
> Joe LaVigne wrote: >> Just got the oil changed for the first time on my 06 Si. >> >> When I got home, I looked at the receipt and noticed that they used 5w20 >> instead of 5w30. it's not like it's printed on the oil cap or anything... >> >> Anyhow, I am going back tomorrow to make them do it right, but just for the >> interest of information, what would the negative effect of 5w20 be on the >> engine? Is it too thin for the performance motor? >> >> Thanks for whatever info I get... >> > > Does the Si call for 5W-30? Honda is a little confusing in that they > spec 5W-20 for most engines, but 5W-30 for some. I know that my Acura > TSX calls for 5W-30 while the Accord says 5W-20. This makes me think > that 5W-20 is borderline for Honda designs and that the high compression > versions of their engines need 5W-30 for protection in extreme conditions. Yeah, the Si calls for 5w-30... > > Remember that the oil has to be ready to handle mountain climbing with a > full load on the hottest summer day. > > That said, if your Si calls for 5W-30 and they put in 5W-20 I would not > be worried about it unless you have been doing full throttle blasts up a > mountain range in 110 deg F conditions ... but I would make the dealer > fix it. I didn't use the dealer, and will likely not for most stuff, as they are not all that close, are a bit pricey, and are very difficult to get convenient appointments with. On the other hand, had I used a dealer, I probably wouldn't have had this problem... ;-) The oil change place (A Valvoline Instant Oil Change, which is the best around these parts usually) will be fixing it Tuesday. They offerred sincere apologies... Thanks for the help! -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:21:29 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ My girlfriend always laughs during sex - no matter what she's reading. --Steve Jobs, founder of Apple Computers |
Re: Oil change issue...
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:56:41 GMT, John Horner wrote:
> Joe LaVigne wrote: >> Just got the oil changed for the first time on my 06 Si. >> >> When I got home, I looked at the receipt and noticed that they used 5w20 >> instead of 5w30. it's not like it's printed on the oil cap or anything... >> >> Anyhow, I am going back tomorrow to make them do it right, but just for the >> interest of information, what would the negative effect of 5w20 be on the >> engine? Is it too thin for the performance motor? >> >> Thanks for whatever info I get... >> > > Does the Si call for 5W-30? Honda is a little confusing in that they > spec 5W-20 for most engines, but 5W-30 for some. I know that my Acura > TSX calls for 5W-30 while the Accord says 5W-20. This makes me think > that 5W-20 is borderline for Honda designs and that the high compression > versions of their engines need 5W-30 for protection in extreme conditions. Yeah, the Si calls for 5w-30... > > Remember that the oil has to be ready to handle mountain climbing with a > full load on the hottest summer day. > > That said, if your Si calls for 5W-30 and they put in 5W-20 I would not > be worried about it unless you have been doing full throttle blasts up a > mountain range in 110 deg F conditions ... but I would make the dealer > fix it. I didn't use the dealer, and will likely not for most stuff, as they are not all that close, are a bit pricey, and are very difficult to get convenient appointments with. On the other hand, had I used a dealer, I probably wouldn't have had this problem... ;-) The oil change place (A Valvoline Instant Oil Change, which is the best around these parts usually) will be fixing it Tuesday. They offerred sincere apologies... Thanks for the help! -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:21:29 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ My girlfriend always laughs during sex - no matter what she's reading. --Steve Jobs, founder of Apple Computers |
Re: Oil change issue...
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:56:41 GMT, John Horner wrote:
> Joe LaVigne wrote: >> Just got the oil changed for the first time on my 06 Si. >> >> When I got home, I looked at the receipt and noticed that they used 5w20 >> instead of 5w30. it's not like it's printed on the oil cap or anything... >> >> Anyhow, I am going back tomorrow to make them do it right, but just for the >> interest of information, what would the negative effect of 5w20 be on the >> engine? Is it too thin for the performance motor? >> >> Thanks for whatever info I get... >> > > Does the Si call for 5W-30? Honda is a little confusing in that they > spec 5W-20 for most engines, but 5W-30 for some. I know that my Acura > TSX calls for 5W-30 while the Accord says 5W-20. This makes me think > that 5W-20 is borderline for Honda designs and that the high compression > versions of their engines need 5W-30 for protection in extreme conditions. Yeah, the Si calls for 5w-30... > > Remember that the oil has to be ready to handle mountain climbing with a > full load on the hottest summer day. > > That said, if your Si calls for 5W-30 and they put in 5W-20 I would not > be worried about it unless you have been doing full throttle blasts up a > mountain range in 110 deg F conditions ... but I would make the dealer > fix it. I didn't use the dealer, and will likely not for most stuff, as they are not all that close, are a bit pricey, and are very difficult to get convenient appointments with. On the other hand, had I used a dealer, I probably wouldn't have had this problem... ;-) The oil change place (A Valvoline Instant Oil Change, which is the best around these parts usually) will be fixing it Tuesday. They offerred sincere apologies... Thanks for the help! -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:21:29 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ My girlfriend always laughs during sex - no matter what she's reading. --Steve Jobs, founder of Apple Computers |
Re: Oil change issue...
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:33:20 GMT, Elle wrote:
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote >> When I got home, I looked at the receipt and noticed that >> they used 5w20 >> instead of 5w30. it's not like it's printed on the oil >> cap or anything... > > Is the last sentence above sarcasm? In other words, does > your Civic SI's oil cap actually have "5W30" printed on it? I thought it was an excellent use of sarcasm... ;-) Yes, it says 5w-30 on it... > > When posting to a technically oriented newsgroup, may I > suggest leaving out the sarcasm, to expedite communications > and quickly get you what you want? > > As others have pointed out, a number (all?) of the more > recent Honda models specify 5W-20. I can't get a 2006 Civic > Si owner's manual online at the moment, but the 2006 Accord > owner's manual and the 2005 Civic SI owner's manual specify > 5W-20. The 2005 Si was, respectfully, a dog. The engine in the 06 is much better, and more demanding, I think, thus the recommendation of 30, I assume. I am not, however, a mechanic. I know enough to keep a car running well, and can repair most basic problems, but I am no expert... > > Time to break open and read your very own owner' manual. :-) Done it... Actually read through it when I got the car, and made notes of noteables... ;-) -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:24:49 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ I don't have all the answers. I haven't yet heard all the questions... |
Re: Oil change issue...
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:33:20 GMT, Elle wrote:
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote >> When I got home, I looked at the receipt and noticed that >> they used 5w20 >> instead of 5w30. it's not like it's printed on the oil >> cap or anything... > > Is the last sentence above sarcasm? In other words, does > your Civic SI's oil cap actually have "5W30" printed on it? I thought it was an excellent use of sarcasm... ;-) Yes, it says 5w-30 on it... > > When posting to a technically oriented newsgroup, may I > suggest leaving out the sarcasm, to expedite communications > and quickly get you what you want? > > As others have pointed out, a number (all?) of the more > recent Honda models specify 5W-20. I can't get a 2006 Civic > Si owner's manual online at the moment, but the 2006 Accord > owner's manual and the 2005 Civic SI owner's manual specify > 5W-20. The 2005 Si was, respectfully, a dog. The engine in the 06 is much better, and more demanding, I think, thus the recommendation of 30, I assume. I am not, however, a mechanic. I know enough to keep a car running well, and can repair most basic problems, but I am no expert... > > Time to break open and read your very own owner' manual. :-) Done it... Actually read through it when I got the car, and made notes of noteables... ;-) -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:24:49 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ I don't have all the answers. I haven't yet heard all the questions... |
Re: Oil change issue...
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:33:20 GMT, Elle wrote:
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote >> When I got home, I looked at the receipt and noticed that >> they used 5w20 >> instead of 5w30. it's not like it's printed on the oil >> cap or anything... > > Is the last sentence above sarcasm? In other words, does > your Civic SI's oil cap actually have "5W30" printed on it? I thought it was an excellent use of sarcasm... ;-) Yes, it says 5w-30 on it... > > When posting to a technically oriented newsgroup, may I > suggest leaving out the sarcasm, to expedite communications > and quickly get you what you want? > > As others have pointed out, a number (all?) of the more > recent Honda models specify 5W-20. I can't get a 2006 Civic > Si owner's manual online at the moment, but the 2006 Accord > owner's manual and the 2005 Civic SI owner's manual specify > 5W-20. The 2005 Si was, respectfully, a dog. The engine in the 06 is much better, and more demanding, I think, thus the recommendation of 30, I assume. I am not, however, a mechanic. I know enough to keep a car running well, and can repair most basic problems, but I am no expert... > > Time to break open and read your very own owner' manual. :-) Done it... Actually read through it when I got the car, and made notes of noteables... ;-) -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:24:49 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ I don't have all the answers. I haven't yet heard all the questions... |
Re: Oil change issue...
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:53:37 GMT, John Horner wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote: > >> I just got back from the Honda dealer, and noticed on the chart on the >> counter that the 2006 Civic is the only 21st Century Honda to take 5W-30 >> instead of 5W-20. Well, the Insight takes 0W-20. Weird, huh? >> > > All of the Acuras call for 5W-30 even when similar engines in Honda are > specified for 5W-20. I have always thought that this might be due to > the higher compression ratios generally used in the Acura engines. High > compression ratios mean higher bearing loads. > > Perhaps the 2006 Si uses an engine tuned more like an Acura motor. IIANM, the 06 Si uses almost the same engine as the 05 RSX. It is tweaked some, and gets slightly better performance, but a picture of the engine is damned near a carbon copy of what's under my hood... -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:27:48 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ Scarecrow (Ray Bolger): I haven't got a brain... only straw. Dorothy (Judy Garland): How can you talk if you haven't got a brain? Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they? Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right. ~ "Wizard of Oz " |
Re: Oil change issue...
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:53:37 GMT, John Horner wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote: > >> I just got back from the Honda dealer, and noticed on the chart on the >> counter that the 2006 Civic is the only 21st Century Honda to take 5W-30 >> instead of 5W-20. Well, the Insight takes 0W-20. Weird, huh? >> > > All of the Acuras call for 5W-30 even when similar engines in Honda are > specified for 5W-20. I have always thought that this might be due to > the higher compression ratios generally used in the Acura engines. High > compression ratios mean higher bearing loads. > > Perhaps the 2006 Si uses an engine tuned more like an Acura motor. IIANM, the 06 Si uses almost the same engine as the 05 RSX. It is tweaked some, and gets slightly better performance, but a picture of the engine is damned near a carbon copy of what's under my hood... -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:27:48 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ Scarecrow (Ray Bolger): I haven't got a brain... only straw. Dorothy (Judy Garland): How can you talk if you haven't got a brain? Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they? Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right. ~ "Wizard of Oz " |
Re: Oil change issue...
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:53:37 GMT, John Horner wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote: > >> I just got back from the Honda dealer, and noticed on the chart on the >> counter that the 2006 Civic is the only 21st Century Honda to take 5W-30 >> instead of 5W-20. Well, the Insight takes 0W-20. Weird, huh? >> > > All of the Acuras call for 5W-30 even when similar engines in Honda are > specified for 5W-20. I have always thought that this might be due to > the higher compression ratios generally used in the Acura engines. High > compression ratios mean higher bearing loads. > > Perhaps the 2006 Si uses an engine tuned more like an Acura motor. IIANM, the 06 Si uses almost the same engine as the 05 RSX. It is tweaked some, and gets slightly better performance, but a picture of the engine is damned near a carbon copy of what's under my hood... -- Joseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/3/2006 1:27:48 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ Scarecrow (Ray Bolger): I haven't got a brain... only straw. Dorothy (Judy Garland): How can you talk if you haven't got a brain? Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they? Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right. ~ "Wizard of Oz " |
Re: Oil change issue...
Thanks for clarifying, Joe, and offering your opinion on the
distinction between the '05 and '06 Sis, to help explain the difference in oil recommendations. "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote > The 2005 Si was, respectfully, a dog. The engine in the > 06 is much better, > and more demanding, I think, thus the recommendation of > 30, I assume. I am > not, however, a mechanic. I know enough to keep a car > running well, and > can repair most basic problems, but I am no expert... > |
Re: Oil change issue...
Thanks for clarifying, Joe, and offering your opinion on the
distinction between the '05 and '06 Sis, to help explain the difference in oil recommendations. "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote > The 2005 Si was, respectfully, a dog. The engine in the > 06 is much better, > and more demanding, I think, thus the recommendation of > 30, I assume. I am > not, however, a mechanic. I know enough to keep a car > running well, and > can repair most basic problems, but I am no expert... > |
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