Pilot vs. Highlander
12-21-2003, 03:21 PM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
<jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
> I should bother?
Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
<jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
> I should bother?
Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
12-21-2003, 03:21 PM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
<jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
> I should bother?
Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
<jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
> I should bother?
Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
12-21-2003, 03:21 PM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
<jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
> I should bother?
Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
<jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
> I should bother?
Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
12-21-2003, 03:21 PM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
<jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
> I should bother?
Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
<jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
> I should bother?
Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
12-21-2003, 07:09 PM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>> I should bother?
>
>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
warranty.
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>> I should bother?
>
>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
warranty.
12-21-2003, 07:09 PM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>> I should bother?
>
>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
warranty.
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>> I should bother?
>
>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
warranty.
12-21-2003, 07:09 PM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>> I should bother?
>
>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
warranty.
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>> I should bother?
>
>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
warranty.
12-21-2003, 07:09 PM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>> I should bother?
>
>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
warranty.
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>> I should bother?
>
>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
warranty.
12-22-2003, 12:09 AM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:09:27 -0500, DragonRider
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
>(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
>>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
>><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>>> I should bother?
>>
>>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
>
>If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
>about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
>Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
>warranty.
All good points, but probably much less resale value later on down the
road. Honda and Toyota always seem to retain their value much more
than the others and I know Mitsubishi cars aren't considered to have
high resale value.
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
>(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
>>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
>><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>>> I should bother?
>>
>>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
>
>If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
>about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
>Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
>warranty.
All good points, but probably much less resale value later on down the
road. Honda and Toyota always seem to retain their value much more
than the others and I know Mitsubishi cars aren't considered to have
high resale value.
12-22-2003, 12:09 AM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:09:27 -0500, DragonRider
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
>(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
>>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
>><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>>> I should bother?
>>
>>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
>
>If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
>about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
>Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
>warranty.
All good points, but probably much less resale value later on down the
road. Honda and Toyota always seem to retain their value much more
than the others and I know Mitsubishi cars aren't considered to have
high resale value.
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
>(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
>>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
>><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>>> I should bother?
>>
>>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
>
>If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
>about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
>Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
>warranty.
All good points, but probably much less resale value later on down the
road. Honda and Toyota always seem to retain their value much more
than the others and I know Mitsubishi cars aren't considered to have
high resale value.
12-22-2003, 12:09 AM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:09:27 -0500, DragonRider
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
>(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
>>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
>><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>>> I should bother?
>>
>>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
>
>If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
>about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
>Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
>warranty.
All good points, but probably much less resale value later on down the
road. Honda and Toyota always seem to retain their value much more
than the others and I know Mitsubishi cars aren't considered to have
high resale value.
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
>(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
>>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
>><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>>> I should bother?
>>
>>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
>
>If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
>about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
>Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
>warranty.
All good points, but probably much less resale value later on down the
road. Honda and Toyota always seem to retain their value much more
than the others and I know Mitsubishi cars aren't considered to have
high resale value.
12-22-2003, 12:09 AM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:09:27 -0500, DragonRider
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
>(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
>>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
>><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>>> I should bother?
>>
>>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
>
>If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
>about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
>Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
>warranty.
All good points, but probably much less resale value later on down the
road. Honda and Toyota always seem to retain their value much more
than the others and I know Mitsubishi cars aren't considered to have
high resale value.
<DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:47 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
>(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
>>In article <mrjFb.38282$9o2.37161@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com> , "Jpearl"
>><jeffpearl@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>>> Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>>> I should bother?
>>
>>Both are excellent vehicles--about equal in terms of quality. I advise you
>>to test drive both of them and buy the one you like the best. Also, take
>>into consideration the horsepower of the engines in each vehicle. This is
>>especially true if you plan to tow items such as a trailer or camper.
>
>If that is the case then the horsepower isn't the figure to worry
>about, it's the Torque. Could also take a look at the Mtisubishi
>Endeavor. More fun, lots of torque, and less money with a much longer
>warranty.
All good points, but probably much less resale value later on down the
road. Honda and Toyota always seem to retain their value much more
than the others and I know Mitsubishi cars aren't considered to have
high resale value.
12-22-2003, 12:13 AM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:59:14 GMT, "Jpearl" <jeffpearl@comcast.net>
wrote:
>Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>I should bother?
I testdrove all the comparable SUVs out there when I was in the market
for one. Testdrove the Highlander right before the Pilot came out.
Once the Pilot came out, I was sold. I testdrove the HL right after I
took the Pilot for a spin just to be sure and there was no change in
my mind. But it really all depends on how you perceive a good ride
and handling.
Best bet is for you to testdrive both vehicles on the sameday and
decide then. I didn't even care about the 3rd row seats in the Pilot.
I knew I'd barely use it anyway.
There's are a few very good comparison reports over at
www.hondapilot.org. One active member used to own a HL before he
bought the Pilot.
wrote:
>Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>I should bother?
I testdrove all the comparable SUVs out there when I was in the market
for one. Testdrove the Highlander right before the Pilot came out.
Once the Pilot came out, I was sold. I testdrove the HL right after I
took the Pilot for a spin just to be sure and there was no change in
my mind. But it really all depends on how you perceive a good ride
and handling.
Best bet is for you to testdrive both vehicles on the sameday and
decide then. I didn't even care about the 3rd row seats in the Pilot.
I knew I'd barely use it anyway.
There's are a few very good comparison reports over at
www.hondapilot.org. One active member used to own a HL before he
bought the Pilot.
12-22-2003, 12:13 AM
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Re: Pilot vs. Highlander
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:59:14 GMT, "Jpearl" <jeffpearl@comcast.net>
wrote:
>Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>I should bother?
I testdrove all the comparable SUVs out there when I was in the market
for one. Testdrove the Highlander right before the Pilot came out.
Once the Pilot came out, I was sold. I testdrove the HL right after I
took the Pilot for a spin just to be sure and there was no change in
my mind. But it really all depends on how you perceive a good ride
and handling.
Best bet is for you to testdrive both vehicles on the sameday and
decide then. I didn't even care about the 3rd row seats in the Pilot.
I knew I'd barely use it anyway.
There's are a few very good comparison reports over at
www.hondapilot.org. One active member used to own a HL before he
bought the Pilot.
wrote:
>Can anyone out there tell me why a Toyota Highlander might be better than a
>Honda Pilot? I haven't test-driven the Highlander yet, but I am curious if
>I should bother?
I testdrove all the comparable SUVs out there when I was in the market
for one. Testdrove the Highlander right before the Pilot came out.
Once the Pilot came out, I was sold. I testdrove the HL right after I
took the Pilot for a spin just to be sure and there was no change in
my mind. But it really all depends on how you perceive a good ride
and handling.
Best bet is for you to testdrive both vehicles on the sameday and
decide then. I didn't even care about the 3rd row seats in the Pilot.
I knew I'd barely use it anyway.
There's are a few very good comparison reports over at
www.hondapilot.org. One active member used to own a HL before he
bought the Pilot.
