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power window problem
My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover past
the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window up. I unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with eh window attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and cable that is used to move the window. Has anyone had this problem and what does it take to fix it. George Taylor sanddollar3@att.net |
Re: power window problem
george taylor wrote:
> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover > past the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window > up. I unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with > eh window attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and > cable that is used to move the window. Has anyone had this problem > and what does it take to fix it. > George Taylor > sanddollar3@att.net I'm not familiar with the motors for the windows, but I am familiar with drives and drive systems. It sounds as if there is something binding the drive mechanism that with the additional weight of the window it has a hard time handling (a gear or coupling or the track itself). It could also be the motor. Most small DC drive motors are of the brushed type (at least the lower cost ones). If the brushes get worn (or are defective) or if the interior of it gets a lot of dust from the brushes or other sources it can weaken the field that is used to drive the motor windings. |
Re: power window problem
george taylor wrote:
> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover > past the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window > up. I unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with > eh window attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and > cable that is used to move the window. Has anyone had this problem > and what does it take to fix it. > George Taylor > sanddollar3@att.net I'm not familiar with the motors for the windows, but I am familiar with drives and drive systems. It sounds as if there is something binding the drive mechanism that with the additional weight of the window it has a hard time handling (a gear or coupling or the track itself). It could also be the motor. Most small DC drive motors are of the brushed type (at least the lower cost ones). If the brushes get worn (or are defective) or if the interior of it gets a lot of dust from the brushes or other sources it can weaken the field that is used to drive the motor windings. |
Re: power window problem
george taylor wrote:
> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover past > the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window up. I > unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with eh window > attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and cable that is used > to move the window. Has anyone had this problem and what does it take to fix > it. > George Taylor > sanddollar3@att.net > > Hi, Alignment? Tony |
Re: power window problem
george taylor wrote:
> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover past > the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window up. I > unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with eh window > attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and cable that is used > to move the window. Has anyone had this problem and what does it take to fix > it. > George Taylor > sanddollar3@att.net > > Hi, Alignment? Tony |
Re: power window problem
In article <OuPOc.360441$Gx4.292349@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"george taylor" <sanddollar3@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover past > the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window up. I > unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with eh window > attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and cable that is used > to move the window. Has anyone had this problem and what does it take to fix > it. > George Taylor > sanddollar3@att.net I agree with the intelligent poster that said the window might be binding on something. I just wanted to add that this could also mean that the motor is about ready to stop working. In many cases--with electric motors--they run poorly prior to the point where they stop working. In many cases, it's cheaper to replace the motor than it is to pay someone to repair the motor. If you have to replace the motor, your best option is to go to a auto junk yard and buy it. If you can install it yourself, you will save lots of money. Don't bother buying a replacement motor until you determine whether or not the window now in the door is binding. If it is binding, a different motor will not solve the problem. -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
Re: power window problem
In article <OuPOc.360441$Gx4.292349@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"george taylor" <sanddollar3@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover past > the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window up. I > unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with eh window > attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and cable that is used > to move the window. Has anyone had this problem and what does it take to fix > it. > George Taylor > sanddollar3@att.net I agree with the intelligent poster that said the window might be binding on something. I just wanted to add that this could also mean that the motor is about ready to stop working. In many cases--with electric motors--they run poorly prior to the point where they stop working. In many cases, it's cheaper to replace the motor than it is to pay someone to repair the motor. If you have to replace the motor, your best option is to go to a auto junk yard and buy it. If you can install it yourself, you will save lots of money. Don't bother buying a replacement motor until you determine whether or not the window now in the door is binding. If it is binding, a different motor will not solve the problem. -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
Re: power window problem
Jason wrote:
> In article > <OuPOc.360441$Gx4.292349@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "george > taylor" <sanddollar3@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover >> past the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window >> up. I unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with >> eh window attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and >> cable that is used to move the window. Has anyone had this problem >> and what does it take to fix it. >> George Taylor >> sanddollar3@att.net > > I agree with the intelligent poster that said the window might be > binding on something. I just wanted to add that this could also mean > that the motor is about ready to stop working. In many cases--with > electric motors--they run poorly prior to the point where they stop > working. In many cases, it's cheaper to replace the motor than it is > to pay someone to repair the motor. If you have to replace the motor, > your best option is to go to a auto junk yard and buy it. If you can > install it yourself, you will save lots of money. Don't bother buying > a replacement motor until you determine whether or not the window now > in the door is binding. If it is binding, a different motor will not > solve the problem. If it is a brushed motor, and you can get the motor manufacturer and model number, replacement brushes are only a few dollars (usually <$10, even for some of the 40-50HP DC drives I've worked with) and can be ordered from industrial companies like Dodge Newark. |
Re: power window problem
Jason wrote:
> In article > <OuPOc.360441$Gx4.292349@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "george > taylor" <sanddollar3@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover >> past the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window >> up. I unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with >> eh window attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and >> cable that is used to move the window. Has anyone had this problem >> and what does it take to fix it. >> George Taylor >> sanddollar3@att.net > > I agree with the intelligent poster that said the window might be > binding on something. I just wanted to add that this could also mean > that the motor is about ready to stop working. In many cases--with > electric motors--they run poorly prior to the point where they stop > working. In many cases, it's cheaper to replace the motor than it is > to pay someone to repair the motor. If you have to replace the motor, > your best option is to go to a auto junk yard and buy it. If you can > install it yourself, you will save lots of money. Don't bother buying > a replacement motor until you determine whether or not the window now > in the door is binding. If it is binding, a different motor will not > solve the problem. If it is a brushed motor, and you can get the motor manufacturer and model number, replacement brushes are only a few dollars (usually <$10, even for some of the 40-50HP DC drives I've worked with) and can be ordered from industrial companies like Dodge Newark. |
Re: power window problem
My own experience w/dragging PW motors (bogging down under load) was that
the armature contacts were loaded up with grease and hence the brushes couldn't achieve good contact. Dunno what you could use today, but 10 years ago a couple good shots of Blue Shower (1.1.1 TriChlorethane) would flush out the goo. WD40 as a cleaning/flushing agent (not as a lubricant) might work. In article <RIWOc.222779$XM6.194809@attbi_s53> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> writes: >Jason wrote: >> In article >> <OuPOc.360441$Gx4.292349@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "george >> taylor" <sanddollar3@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >> >>> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover >>> past the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window >>> up. I unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with >>> eh window attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and >>> cable that is used to move the window. Has anyone had this problem >>> and what does it take to fix it. >>> George Taylor >>> sanddollar3@att.net >> >> I agree with the intelligent poster that said the window might be >> binding on something. I just wanted to add that this could also mean >> that the motor is about ready to stop working. In many cases--with >> electric motors--they run poorly prior to the point where they stop >> working. In many cases, it's cheaper to replace the motor than it is >> to pay someone to repair the motor. If you have to replace the motor, >> your best option is to go to a auto junk yard and buy it. If you can >> install it yourself, you will save lots of money. Don't bother buying >> a replacement motor until you determine whether or not the window now >> in the door is binding. If it is binding, a different motor will not >> solve the problem. > >If it is a brushed motor, and you can get the motor manufacturer and model >number, replacement brushes are only a few dollars (usually <$10, even for >some of the 40-50HP DC drives I've worked with) and can be ordered from >industrial companies like Dodge Newark. > -- Help Support Satellite Radio! Your local radio broadcasters through their powerful NAB lobbyiests are currently pushing a bill through Congress that if passed, would block the Satellite Radio services from carrying local content (Traffic & Weather) Please call your elected representatives at (202) 225-3121 and urge them to Oppose HR 4026. We need your help, please. <http://www.xmradio.com/grassroots/index.jsp> |
Re: power window problem
My own experience w/dragging PW motors (bogging down under load) was that
the armature contacts were loaded up with grease and hence the brushes couldn't achieve good contact. Dunno what you could use today, but 10 years ago a couple good shots of Blue Shower (1.1.1 TriChlorethane) would flush out the goo. WD40 as a cleaning/flushing agent (not as a lubricant) might work. In article <RIWOc.222779$XM6.194809@attbi_s53> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> writes: >Jason wrote: >> In article >> <OuPOc.360441$Gx4.292349@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "george >> taylor" <sanddollar3@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >> >>> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are mover >>> past the half way down point the motor struggles to move the window >>> up. I unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, but with >>> eh window attached it really struggles. I have oiled the slide and >>> cable that is used to move the window. Has anyone had this problem >>> and what does it take to fix it. >>> George Taylor >>> sanddollar3@att.net >> >> I agree with the intelligent poster that said the window might be >> binding on something. I just wanted to add that this could also mean >> that the motor is about ready to stop working. In many cases--with >> electric motors--they run poorly prior to the point where they stop >> working. In many cases, it's cheaper to replace the motor than it is >> to pay someone to repair the motor. If you have to replace the motor, >> your best option is to go to a auto junk yard and buy it. If you can >> install it yourself, you will save lots of money. Don't bother buying >> a replacement motor until you determine whether or not the window now >> in the door is binding. If it is binding, a different motor will not >> solve the problem. > >If it is a brushed motor, and you can get the motor manufacturer and model >number, replacement brushes are only a few dollars (usually <$10, even for >some of the 40-50HP DC drives I've worked with) and can be ordered from >industrial companies like Dodge Newark. > -- Help Support Satellite Radio! Your local radio broadcasters through their powerful NAB lobbyiests are currently pushing a bill through Congress that if passed, would block the Satellite Radio services from carrying local content (Traffic & Weather) Please call your elected representatives at (202) 225-3121 and urge them to Oppose HR 4026. We need your help, please. <http://www.xmradio.com/grassroots/index.jsp> |
Re: power window problem
Bubba wrote:
> My own experience w/dragging PW motors (bogging down under load) was > that the armature contacts were loaded up with grease and hence the > brushes couldn't achieve good contact. Dunno what you could use > today, but 10 years ago a couple good shots of Blue Shower (1.1.1 > TriChlorethane) would flush out the goo. > > WD40 as a cleaning/flushing agent (not as a lubricant) might work. Some electronics non residue contact cleaner may work as well. > > In article <RIWOc.222779$XM6.194809@attbi_s53> "L Alpert" > <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> writes: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article >>> <OuPOc.360441$Gx4.292349@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >>> "george taylor" <sanddollar3@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >>> >>>> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are >>>> mover past the half way down point the motor struggles to move the >>>> window up. I unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, >>>> but with eh window attached it really struggles. I have oiled the >>>> slide and cable that is used to move the window. Has anyone had >>>> this problem and what does it take to fix it. >>>> George Taylor >>>> sanddollar3@att.net >>> >>> I agree with the intelligent poster that said the window might be >>> binding on something. I just wanted to add that this could also mean >>> that the motor is about ready to stop working. In many cases--with >>> electric motors--they run poorly prior to the point where they stop >>> working. In many cases, it's cheaper to replace the motor than it is >>> to pay someone to repair the motor. If you have to replace the >>> motor, your best option is to go to a auto junk yard and buy it. If >>> you can install it yourself, you will save lots of money. Don't >>> bother buying a replacement motor until you determine whether or >>> not the window now in the door is binding. If it is binding, a >>> different motor will not solve the problem. >> >> If it is a brushed motor, and you can get the motor manufacturer and >> model number, replacement brushes are only a few dollars (usually >> <$10, even for some of the 40-50HP DC drives I've worked with) and >> can be ordered from industrial companies like Dodge Newark. |
Re: power window problem
Bubba wrote:
> My own experience w/dragging PW motors (bogging down under load) was > that the armature contacts were loaded up with grease and hence the > brushes couldn't achieve good contact. Dunno what you could use > today, but 10 years ago a couple good shots of Blue Shower (1.1.1 > TriChlorethane) would flush out the goo. > > WD40 as a cleaning/flushing agent (not as a lubricant) might work. Some electronics non residue contact cleaner may work as well. > > In article <RIWOc.222779$XM6.194809@attbi_s53> "L Alpert" > <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> writes: > >> Jason wrote: >>> In article >>> <OuPOc.360441$Gx4.292349@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >>> "george taylor" <sanddollar3@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >>> >>>> My wife's 2000 Civic has powered windows. When the windows are >>>> mover past the half way down point the motor struggles to move the >>>> window up. I unhooked the window and the motor seems to move fine, >>>> but with eh window attached it really struggles. I have oiled the >>>> slide and cable that is used to move the window. Has anyone had >>>> this problem and what does it take to fix it. >>>> George Taylor >>>> sanddollar3@att.net >>> >>> I agree with the intelligent poster that said the window might be >>> binding on something. I just wanted to add that this could also mean >>> that the motor is about ready to stop working. In many cases--with >>> electric motors--they run poorly prior to the point where they stop >>> working. In many cases, it's cheaper to replace the motor than it is >>> to pay someone to repair the motor. If you have to replace the >>> motor, your best option is to go to a auto junk yard and buy it. If >>> you can install it yourself, you will save lots of money. Don't >>> bother buying a replacement motor until you determine whether or >>> not the window now in the door is binding. If it is binding, a >>> different motor will not solve the problem. >> >> If it is a brushed motor, and you can get the motor manufacturer and >> model number, replacement brushes are only a few dollars (usually >> <$10, even for some of the 40-50HP DC drives I've worked with) and >> can be ordered from industrial companies like Dodge Newark. |
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