murray schirtzer

I'm 72 years old and have owned many automobiles, old and new in the last 50
years.
However, for the first time, I find myself hitting my head on the door's
archway on entry and exit.
It doesn't matter how the seat is adjusted, although the effect can get
better or worse.
I'm a small man, only 5'5" tall without any body distortions and can get in
and out of my other 2 automobiles, which are Saturn SL2's, without any
problems.
I am extremely disappointed and annoyed and tend to prefer driving the
Saturns in order to avoid hitting my head.
Of all the Honda owners on this board who have the 2005 Accord EX, does
anyone else have this problem?

Jason

In article <NSBme.26878$NZ1.8724@fe09.lga>, "murray schirtzer"
<murraysch@optonline.net> wrote:

>
> I'm 72 years old and have owned many automobiles, old and new in the last 50
> years.
> However, for the first time, I find myself hitting my head on the door's
> archway on entry and exit.
> It doesn't matter how the seat is adjusted, although the effect can get
> better or worse.
> I'm a small man, only 5'5" tall without any body distortions and can get in
> and out of my other 2 automobiles, which are Saturn SL2's, without any
> problems.
> I am extremely disappointed and annoyed and tend to prefer driving the
> Saturns in order to avoid hitting my head.
> Of all the Honda owners on this board who have the 2005 Accord EX, does
> anyone else have this problem?

Since it's a problem for you, I advise you to trade it in or sell it. The
Honda dealership might let you exchange it for a vehicle such as a small
SUV or mini van that is less likely to cause you problems. Does anyone
have any other options to recommend? Please post.

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Jason

In article <NSBme.26878$NZ1.8724@fe09.lga>, "murray schirtzer"
<murraysch@optonline.net> wrote:

>
> I'm 72 years old and have owned many automobiles, old and new in the last 50
> years.
> However, for the first time, I find myself hitting my head on the door's
> archway on entry and exit.
> It doesn't matter how the seat is adjusted, although the effect can get
> better or worse.
> I'm a small man, only 5'5" tall without any body distortions and can get in
> and out of my other 2 automobiles, which are Saturn SL2's, without any
> problems.
> I am extremely disappointed and annoyed and tend to prefer driving the
> Saturns in order to avoid hitting my head.
> Of all the Honda owners on this board who have the 2005 Accord EX, does
> anyone else have this problem?

Since it's a problem for you, I advise you to trade it in or sell it. The
Honda dealership might let you exchange it for a vehicle such as a small
SUV or mini van that is less likely to cause you problems. Does anyone
have any other options to recommend? Please post.

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Howard Lester

Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why you'd
have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get in
at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it is at
its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must just
be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as much
headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't know
if the body frame is different and would make any difference there... Still,
all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of this.
I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting in and
out the very same way.

I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two days
ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and such
trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I hope
you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries are
the worst!

Howard Lester

Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why you'd
have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get in
at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it is at
its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must just
be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as much
headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't know
if the body frame is different and would make any difference there... Still,
all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of this.
I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting in and
out the very same way.

I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two days
ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and such
trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I hope
you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries are
the worst!

Brian Stell

> .. I find myself hitting my head on the door's
> archway on entry and exit.
> It doesn't matter how the seat is adjusted, although the
> effect can get better or worse.
> I'm a small man, only 5'5" tall ...
> Of all the Honda owners on this board who have the 2005
> Accord EX, does anyone else have this problem?

I'm 6'1" with much of my height in my back and I don't have
this problem with my '05 EX.

I do note that the sides of the seat back come forward quite
a bit and I press against them when entering/exiting.
Perhaps this is causing you to lean forward when entering/
exiting.

The driver's seat does have a separate up/down adjustment in
addition to forward/backward, and back tilt angle. The
steering wheel also adjusts in/out and up/down. It took me a
while to figure out how to adjust it all (and don't every
adjust the steering wheel while driving, WOW is that scary).

Have you tried adjust the driver's seat in this order?
(the order is important)

1. Adjust the seat as far back as is comfortable for your legs
to operate the pedals.

2. Adjust the seat height as low as possible while still giving
good visibility.

3. Adjust the back angle back as much as is comfortable.

4. Adjust the steering wheel in/out and up/down to whatever is
comfortable for your arms.

Brian Stell

> .. I find myself hitting my head on the door's
> archway on entry and exit.
> It doesn't matter how the seat is adjusted, although the
> effect can get better or worse.
> I'm a small man, only 5'5" tall ...
> Of all the Honda owners on this board who have the 2005
> Accord EX, does anyone else have this problem?

I'm 6'1" with much of my height in my back and I don't have
this problem with my '05 EX.

I do note that the sides of the seat back come forward quite
a bit and I press against them when entering/exiting.
Perhaps this is causing you to lean forward when entering/
exiting.

The driver's seat does have a separate up/down adjustment in
addition to forward/backward, and back tilt angle. The
steering wheel also adjusts in/out and up/down. It took me a
while to figure out how to adjust it all (and don't every
adjust the steering wheel while driving, WOW is that scary).

Have you tried adjust the driver's seat in this order?
(the order is important)

1. Adjust the seat as far back as is comfortable for your legs
to operate the pedals.

2. Adjust the seat height as low as possible while still giving
good visibility.

3. Adjust the back angle back as much as is comfortable.

4. Adjust the steering wheel in/out and up/down to whatever is
comfortable for your arms.

Jack

When entering sit down on the seat first and then swing your legs in. Exit
legs first.
I have the same car I'm 6' and never bang my head using this method.

"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:119mfjke879vg90@corp.supernews.com...
> Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why
> you'd
> have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
> especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get in
> at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it is
> at
> its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must
> just
> be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as much
> headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't
> know
> if the body frame is different and would make any difference there...
> Still,
> all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of
> this.
> I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting in
> and
> out the very same way.
>
> I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two days
> ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and
> such
> trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I hope
> you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries
> are
> the worst!
>
>

Jack

When entering sit down on the seat first and then swing your legs in. Exit
legs first.
I have the same car I'm 6' and never bang my head using this method.

"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:119mfjke879vg90@corp.supernews.com...
> Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why
> you'd
> have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
> especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get in
> at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it is
> at
> its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must
> just
> be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as much
> headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't
> know
> if the body frame is different and would make any difference there...
> Still,
> all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of
> this.
> I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting in
> and
> out the very same way.
>
> I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two days
> ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and
> such
> trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I hope
> you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries
> are
> the worst!
>
>

Murray

Howard,
Your comment regarding the Accord LX refreshed my memory.
When I took a test drive prior to the purchase of the EX, it was on an
Accord LX and I had absolutely no problems getting in and out of the
vehicle.
The salesperson said that they didn't have an EX available for the test
drive but that the EX and LX were physically identical. That may have been a
mistake on my part in believing that statement.

"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:119mfjke879vg90@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why
you'd
> have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
> especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get in
> at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it is
at
> its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must
just
> be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as much
> headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't
know
> if the body frame is different and would make any difference there...
Still,
> all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of
this.
> I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting in
and
> out the very same way.
>
> I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two days
> ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and
such
> trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I hope
> you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries
are
> the worst!
>
>
>

Murray

Howard,
Your comment regarding the Accord LX refreshed my memory.
When I took a test drive prior to the purchase of the EX, it was on an
Accord LX and I had absolutely no problems getting in and out of the
vehicle.
The salesperson said that they didn't have an EX available for the test
drive but that the EX and LX were physically identical. That may have been a
mistake on my part in believing that statement.

"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:119mfjke879vg90@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why
you'd
> have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
> especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get in
> at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it is
at
> its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must
just
> be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as much
> headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't
know
> if the body frame is different and would make any difference there...
Still,
> all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of
this.
> I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting in
and
> out the very same way.
>
> I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two days
> ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and
such
> trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I hope
> you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries
are
> the worst!
>
>
>

Howard

You did not make a mistake nor did the salesperson lie to you on that fact.
I don't know what else he may have told you.
The Accord LX and EX are 100% identical in dimensions. The difference
between the two are the options that are in either one.
Howard
"Murray" <murraysch@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:iQHme.26952$NZ1.14735@fe09.lga...
>
> Howard,
> Your comment regarding the Accord LX refreshed my memory.
> When I took a test drive prior to the purchase of the EX, it was on an
> Accord LX and I had absolutely no problems getting in and out of the
> vehicle.
> The salesperson said that they didn't have an EX available for the test
> drive but that the EX and LX were physically identical. That may have been
a
> mistake on my part in believing that statement.
>
> "Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
> news:119mfjke879vg90@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why
> you'd
> > have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
> > especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get
in
> > at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it
is
> at
> > its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must
> just
> > be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as
much
> > headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't
> know
> > if the body frame is different and would make any difference there...
> Still,
> > all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of
> this.
> > I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting in
> and
> > out the very same way.
> >
> > I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two
days
> > ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and
> such
> > trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I
hope
> > you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries
> are
> > the worst!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Howard

You did not make a mistake nor did the salesperson lie to you on that fact.
I don't know what else he may have told you.
The Accord LX and EX are 100% identical in dimensions. The difference
between the two are the options that are in either one.
Howard
"Murray" <murraysch@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:iQHme.26952$NZ1.14735@fe09.lga...
>
> Howard,
> Your comment regarding the Accord LX refreshed my memory.
> When I took a test drive prior to the purchase of the EX, it was on an
> Accord LX and I had absolutely no problems getting in and out of the
> vehicle.
> The salesperson said that they didn't have an EX available for the test
> drive but that the EX and LX were physically identical. That may have been
a
> mistake on my part in believing that statement.
>
> "Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
> news:119mfjke879vg90@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why
> you'd
> > have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
> > especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get
in
> > at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it
is
> at
> > its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must
> just
> > be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as
much
> > headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't
> know
> > if the body frame is different and would make any difference there...
> Still,
> > all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of
> this.
> > I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting in
> and
> > out the very same way.
> >
> > I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two
days
> > ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and
> such
> > trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I
hope
> > you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries
> are
> > the worst!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Jack

There is a little less head room in the EX because of the noon roof.
Murray is probably making the mistake of trying to walk into his car!
Murray sit your *** down first!
"Howard" <howardh@nospam-cybrstar.com> wrote in message
news:YUIme.45435$J25.24160@bignews6.bellsouth.net. ..
> You did not make a mistake nor did the salesperson lie to you on that
> fact.
> I don't know what else he may have told you.
> The Accord LX and EX are 100% identical in dimensions. The difference
> between the two are the options that are in either one.
> Howard
> "Murray" <murraysch@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:iQHme.26952$NZ1.14735@fe09.lga...
>>
>> Howard,
>> Your comment regarding the Accord LX refreshed my memory.
>> When I took a test drive prior to the purchase of the EX, it was on an
>> Accord LX and I had absolutely no problems getting in and out of the
>> vehicle.
>> The salesperson said that they didn't have an EX available for the test
>> drive but that the EX and LX were physically identical. That may have
>> been
> a
>> mistake on my part in believing that statement.
>>
>> "Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
>> news:119mfjke879vg90@corp.supernews.com...
>> >
>> > Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why
>> you'd
>> > have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
>> > especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get
> in
>> > at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it
> is
>> at
>> > its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must
>> just
>> > be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as
> much
>> > headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't
>> know
>> > if the body frame is different and would make any difference there...
>> Still,
>> > all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of
>> this.
>> > I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting
>> > in
>> and
>> > out the very same way.
>> >
>> > I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two
> days
>> > ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and
>> such
>> > trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I
> hope
>> > you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries
>> are
>> > the worst!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Jack

There is a little less head room in the EX because of the noon roof.
Murray is probably making the mistake of trying to walk into his car!
Murray sit your *** down first!
"Howard" <howardh@nospam-cybrstar.com> wrote in message
news:YUIme.45435$J25.24160@bignews6.bellsouth.net. ..
> You did not make a mistake nor did the salesperson lie to you on that
> fact.
> I don't know what else he may have told you.
> The Accord LX and EX are 100% identical in dimensions. The difference
> between the two are the options that are in either one.
> Howard
> "Murray" <murraysch@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:iQHme.26952$NZ1.14735@fe09.lga...
>>
>> Howard,
>> Your comment regarding the Accord LX refreshed my memory.
>> When I took a test drive prior to the purchase of the EX, it was on an
>> Accord LX and I had absolutely no problems getting in and out of the
>> vehicle.
>> The salesperson said that they didn't have an EX available for the test
>> drive but that the EX and LX were physically identical. That may have
>> been
> a
>> mistake on my part in believing that statement.
>>
>> "Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
>> news:119mfjke879vg90@corp.supernews.com...
>> >
>> > Murray, I just tried this out in my 2004 EX and I think I can see why
>> you'd
>> > have this problem. The windshield and its frame is very steep, and
>> > especially with the seat forward and "up," the tendency would be to get
> in
>> > at a point where the rise of the window frame isn't even near where it
> is
>> at
>> > its tallest. I'm 5' 9" and have not hit my head on mine; I think I must
>> just
>> > be aware of it on some level and avoid it. Note that there is not as
> much
>> > headroom in the EX as in the LX because of the sunroof, though I don't
>> know
>> > if the body frame is different and would make any difference there...
>> Still,
>> > all I can suggest is that you stay conscious (really!) and be aware of
>> this.
>> > I bet you are confusing this new car with your other cars and getting
>> > in
>> and
>> > out the very same way.
>> >
>> > I have a cousin who is your age and just bought a 2005 Accord LX two
> days
>> > ago. He's taller than you and I didn't see him or his wife having and
>> such
>> > trouble. Try adjusting the way you get in - yes, you have to duck. I
> hope
>> > you get used to the new procedure and enjoy your new car. Head injuries
>> are
>> > the worst!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>