dbu''

In article <Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> "tww1491" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796@newsfe12.iad:
>
> >
> >
> > "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>
> >>
> >> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they
> >> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like
> >> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling
> >> superior product.
> >>
> >
> > In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into
> > a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota
> > stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in
> > the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota
> > dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals.
> > And so it has begun. And yet much more to come.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents
> of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3
> million vehicles.
>
> That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting.

That is well within any reasonable sample of defects for the NASA space
program parts!!!

THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the
challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be better
than the space shuttle after all is said and done.
--

Dave D

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message
newsan.2010.02.04.00.38.36.169486@e86.GTS...
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517
>>
>> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>>
>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>>
>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and in
>> much greater numbers than toyota.
>>
>> fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>>
>> here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered
>> consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting
>> manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being
>> subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia.
>>
>> fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable
>> vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics
>> assembling
>> their carp from the chinese componentry they import.
>>
>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need
>> to
>> show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit
>> does,
>> not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product.
>
> WOW! I AGREE WITH JIM BEAM!!! <thud!>
>
> Well said. Add to that the public likes to see the Big Dog take a stumble.
> If you want some real heartburn, watch how Brian Williams on NBC is going
> after Toyota...er...full throttle.

Wasn't Brian Williams part of the "Exploding Chevy Trucks Fiasco"? Oh, no he
wasn't. I remember now, that was Stone(d) Phillips...Too bad....

DaveD
>
>

ACAR

On Feb 3, 10:17 am, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...autocompanyrec...
>
> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>
> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>
snip

but the media loves this crap. weepy victims on the news.
remember Audi?
the media trotted out driver after driver claiming their cars were the
devil after having killed a family member.
in the end - all the drivers were at fault for pressing the throttle
instead of the brake.

I'm sure we'll hear from the idiot Sienna driver who is positive her
minivan crashed into another vehicle while she had her foot on the
brake. Just like all those Audi drivers from years ago.

"This is like deja vu all over again." - Yogi Berra

Mike Hunter

According to todays Tribune Newspapers, the Chairman of the House Oversight
Committee is stating Toyota will be asked about runaways problems with the
Tacoma truck.

The NHTSA has received over 100 complaints about sudden uncontrolled
accelerations problem on the Tacoma, their truck that does NOT use the same
pedal assembly as the other recalled Toyotas.

The article also refers to Japans Transport Ministry releasing that their
have been numerous complaints about "braking problems" with NEW generation
Prius. Toyota admits they are addressing braking problems in previous
Prius models but they are "unaware" of problems in the NEW generation Prius.

The ever growing issue over sudden uncontrolled acceleration in most every
type of Toyota vehicle is having a sensitizing effect on consumers around
the world and Toyotas confusing responses are not helping the situation.
Curious ah?

"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D148F020FD93tegger@208.90.168.18...
> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal
>> ltoyota_20100203001517
>>
>> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>>
>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>>
>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
>> in much greater numbers than toyota.
>>
>> fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>
>
>
>
> Currently Toyota accounts for 41% of all unintended acceleration
> incidents.
> Ford accounts for 28%. Both Toyota and Ford have about a 16% market share
> apiece.
>
> GM and Chrysler have UA numbers smaller than their market shares. I don't
> know the exact number.
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>

Mike Hunter

It appears Toyota need someone with computer knowledge, not mechanics, since
models with the FBY system are also presenting, with a SPEEDING up problem,
not mealy staying at a set speed, as would indicate a mechanical problem.


"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D14942722237tegger@208.90.168.18...
> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal
>> ltoyota_20100203001517
>>
>> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>>
>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>>
>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
>> in much greater numbers than toyota.
>>
>> fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>
>
>
> Another take on all this:
> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx
> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for
> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery.
>
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>

Mike Hunter

The difference is, if a driver losses control of his car, it is already on
the GROUND LOL


"Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:xPWdna6j1_8ocPTWnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> Tegger wrote:
>> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal
>>> ltoyota_20100203001517
>>> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>>>
>>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>>>
>>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
>>> in much greater numbers than toyota.
>>>
>>> fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another take on all this:
>> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx
>> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for
>> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery.
>
>
> Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to emergency
> procedures common to all vehicles.
>
> As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training.
>
> As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training.
>
> I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass
> more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be aware
> of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes emergency
> responses to sudden life threatening events.
>
> Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to
> deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars
> don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating
> complexity.
>
> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't
> belong there...
>
> JT

Mike Hunter

The problem we have in this country is that we allow people that do not know
how to drive, to teach others how to drive.

As the state with the highest number of bad drivers, Massachusetts wins
hands down.

"Tony Harding" <tharding@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:hkcsib02o8g@news2.newsguy.com...
> On 02/03/10 16:46, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
>>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal
>>>> ltoyota_20100203001517
>>>> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>>>>
>>>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
>>>> in much greater numbers than toyota.
>>>>
>>>> fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another take on all this:
>>> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx
>>>
>>> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for
>>> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery.
>>
>>
>> Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to
>> emergency procedures common to all vehicles.
>>
>> As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training.
>>
>> As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training.
>>
>> I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass
>> more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be
>> aware of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes
>> emergency responses to sudden life threatening events.
>>
>> Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to
>> deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars
>> don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating
>> complexity.
>>
>> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't
>> belong there...
>
> They vote, too.

Mike Hunter

Get real, there have been 19 people killed, and an untold number of people
injured driving runaway Toyotas, in the US alone.

If I were driving a Toyota today, I would drive with my left foot poised
over the brake pedal




"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger@208.90.168.18...
> "tww1491" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796@newsfe12.iad:
>
>>
>>
>> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>
>>>
>>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they
>>> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like
>>> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling
>>> superior product.
>>>
>>
>> In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into
>> a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota
>> stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in
>> the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota
>> dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals.
>> And so it has begun. And yet much more to come.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents
> of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3
> million vehicles.
>
> That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting.
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>

E. Meyer

On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com,
"dbu''" <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote:

> In article <Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>> "tww1491" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
>> news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796@newsfe12.iad:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>
>>>>
>>>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they
>>>> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like
>>>> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling
>>>> superior product.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into
>>> a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota
>>> stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in
>>> the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota
>>> dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals.
>>> And so it has begun. And yet much more to come.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents
>> of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3
>> million vehicles.
>>
>> That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting.
>
> That is well within any reasonable sample of defects for the NASA space
> program parts!!!
>
> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the
> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be better
> than the space shuttle after all is said and done.

I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco hit the
press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and models
flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all the
publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. Strange things
happen when people start thinking they can cash in.

Tegger

Grumpy AuContraire <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
news:xPWdna6j1_8ocPTWnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com :


>
> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't
> belong there...
>


Except that four of the reported five deaths involved a highly-trained
policeman.

--
Tegger

Tegger

"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in
news:4b6aef1a$0$22841$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net:

> Get real, there have been 19 people killed, and an untold number of
> people injured driving runaway Toyotas, in the US alone.
>
> If I were driving a Toyota today, I would drive with my left foot
> poised over the brake pedal



You're aware that Ford accounts for 28% of SUA incidents?

What are they doing about that?


--
Tegger

Mike Hunter

Who told you that, your Toyota dealer


"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9D159028CFAEBtegger@208.90.168.18...
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in
> news:4b6aef1a$0$22841$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net:
>
>> Get real, there have been 19 people killed, and an untold number of
>> people injured driving runaway Toyotas, in the US alone.
>>
>> If I were driving a Toyota today, I would drive with my left foot
>> poised over the brake pedal
>
>
>
> You're aware that Ford accounts for 28% of SUA incidents?
>
> What are they doing about that?
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>

Tegger

"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in news:4b6b4732$0$31477$ce5e7886
@news-radius.ptd.net:

> Who told you that, your Toyota dealer


The Wall Street Journal.

Now answer the question, smiley.


--
Tegger

Tegger

"E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in
news:C7906C39.17000%e.p.meyer@verizon.net:

> On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article
> geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com, "dbu''"
> <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote:
>

>>
>> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the
>> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be
>> better than the space shuttle after all is said and done.
>
> I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco
> hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and
> models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all
> the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV.
> Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in.
>
>


Let's look at some facts:
- 2,300,000 vehicles operated daily without incident.
- Two fatal incidents, five deaths (four of them in one incident).
- Twelve actual documented cases of stuck gas pedals.
- 0.00052% rate of incidence for stuck gas pedals.
- The NHTSA has currently 40 "defect" investigations going on. Three
involve Toyota. 37 involve other automakers.
- Ford accounts for 28% of all SUA incidents, but not a peep is heard about
that.

I'm reading the paper this afternoon, and it appears there may be just a
tad more to this SUA issue than actual malfunctions...

As is well known by now, the Obama administration is very much beholden to
trade unions. Obama even admitted in an interview during the election
campaign that he owes a lot to the unions and would do whatever they
wanted.

Well, Toyota just closed a large and unionized plant in California. It
seems the UAW is now exercised about that. Plus they're looking for sales
for GM and Chrysler, which are now partly union-owned and are losing market
share.

What better way to get what they want than to nudge the Obamistas into
slagging those successful little yellow (non-union) foreigners? You think
LaHood is his own man here? Nope.


--
Tegger

Grumpy AuContraire

Tegger wrote:
> "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:C7906C39.17000%e.p.meyer@verizon.net:
>
>> On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article
>> geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com, "dbu''"
>> <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>
>>> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the
>>> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be
>>> better than the space shuttle after all is said and done.
>> I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco
>> hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and
>> models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all
>> the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV.
>> Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in.
>>
>>
>
>
> Let's look at some facts:
> - 2,300,000 vehicles operated daily without incident.
> - Two fatal incidents, five deaths (four of them in one incident).
> - Twelve actual documented cases of stuck gas pedals.
> - 0.00052% rate of incidence for stuck gas pedals.
> - The NHTSA has currently 40 "defect" investigations going on. Three
> involve Toyota. 37 involve other automakers.
> - Ford accounts for 28% of all SUA incidents, but not a peep is heard about
> that.
>
> I'm reading the paper this afternoon, and it appears there may be just a
> tad more to this SUA issue than actual malfunctions...
>
> As is well known by now, the Obama administration is very much beholden to
> trade unions. Obama even admitted in an interview during the election
> campaign that he owes a lot to the unions and would do whatever they
> wanted.
>
> Well, Toyota just closed a large and unionized plant in California. It
> seems the UAW is now exercised about that. Plus they're looking for sales
> for GM and Chrysler, which are now partly union-owned and are losing market
> share.
>
> What better way to get what they want than to nudge the Obamistas into
> slagging those successful little yellow (non-union) foreigners? You think
> LaHood is his own man here? Nope.


You're in the wrong country... We need you here!

Come on down to TX, get your concealed carry permit and have fun. First
trip to the range will be on me...

JT