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Dave 11-04-2007 11:46 PM

question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
Hi,

I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
system further or point me to a description?

The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?

Thanks,

Dave


Evan Platt 11-05-2007 09:40 AM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:46:19 -0800, Dave <csharpuser@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
>manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
>is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
>of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
>system further or point me to a description?
>
>The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
>window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
>break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
>stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
>said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
>engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
>Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
>more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?


While I'm not familiar with the specific 'alarm' on the Odyssey, most
'stock' alarms are very basic. Right now, how do you get into your
car? Do you need to press the 'unlock' button on a remote?

I would invest in a real alarm - you can find one at a stereo or alarm
shop for $250 - $300 installed. I have a 2000 Civic, and $300 covered
the alarm, install, a trunk sensor, a hood sensor, sensors on all 4
doors, and actuators for the doors and trunks, so I can pop the trunk
via the alarm remote. You can probably do better on a newer car...
--
To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.

Evan Platt 11-05-2007 09:40 AM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:46:19 -0800, Dave <csharpuser@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
>manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
>is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
>of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
>system further or point me to a description?
>
>The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
>window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
>break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
>stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
>said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
>engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
>Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
>more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?


While I'm not familiar with the specific 'alarm' on the Odyssey, most
'stock' alarms are very basic. Right now, how do you get into your
car? Do you need to press the 'unlock' button on a remote?

I would invest in a real alarm - you can find one at a stereo or alarm
shop for $250 - $300 installed. I have a 2000 Civic, and $300 covered
the alarm, install, a trunk sensor, a hood sensor, sensors on all 4
doors, and actuators for the doors and trunks, so I can pop the trunk
via the alarm remote. You can probably do better on a newer car...
--
To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.

Dave 11-05-2007 01:16 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
On Nov 5, 6:40 am, Evan Platt <e...@theobvious.espphotography.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:46:19 -0800, Dave <csharpu...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Hi,

>
> >I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
> >manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
> >is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
> >of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
> >system further or point me to a description?

>
> >The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
> >window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
> >break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
> >stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
> >said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
> >engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
> >Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
> >more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?

>
> While I'm not familiar with the specific 'alarm' on the Odyssey, most
> 'stock' alarms are very basic. Right now, how do you get into your
> car? Do you need to press the 'unlock' button on a remote?
>
> I would invest in a real alarm - you can find one at a stereo or alarm
> shop for $250 - $300 installed. I have a 2000 Civic, and $300 covered
> the alarm, install, a trunk sensor, a hood sensor, sensors on all 4
> doors, and actuators for the doors and trunks, so I can pop the trunk
> via the alarm remote. You can probably do better on a newer car...
> --
> To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Evan,

Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. Right now, yes I hit an
unlock button on a remote or I can just use the key.

I had two old cars (w/o alarms) broken into recently for the stereos,
so the topic is definately on my mind. Some sort of alarm that
disabled the motor would be good. Unless of course you ended up
stranded because your windown was broken for some other reason!
Dave


Dave 11-05-2007 01:16 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
On Nov 5, 6:40 am, Evan Platt <e...@theobvious.espphotography.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:46:19 -0800, Dave <csharpu...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Hi,

>
> >I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
> >manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
> >is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
> >of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
> >system further or point me to a description?

>
> >The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
> >window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
> >break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
> >stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
> >said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
> >engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
> >Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
> >more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?

>
> While I'm not familiar with the specific 'alarm' on the Odyssey, most
> 'stock' alarms are very basic. Right now, how do you get into your
> car? Do you need to press the 'unlock' button on a remote?
>
> I would invest in a real alarm - you can find one at a stereo or alarm
> shop for $250 - $300 installed. I have a 2000 Civic, and $300 covered
> the alarm, install, a trunk sensor, a hood sensor, sensors on all 4
> doors, and actuators for the doors and trunks, so I can pop the trunk
> via the alarm remote. You can probably do better on a newer car...
> --
> To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Evan,

Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. Right now, yes I hit an
unlock button on a remote or I can just use the key.

I had two old cars (w/o alarms) broken into recently for the stereos,
so the topic is definately on my mind. Some sort of alarm that
disabled the motor would be good. Unless of course you ended up
stranded because your windown was broken for some other reason!
Dave


Dano58 11-06-2007 09:02 AM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
On Nov 4, 11:46 pm, Dave <csharpu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
> manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
> is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
> of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
> system further or point me to a description?
>
> The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
> window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
> break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
> stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
> said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
> engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
> Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
> more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave


Are you planning to upgrade the head unit?? If not, I cannot imagine
someone breaking into your Odyssey to steal the stereo! I can't
imagine that it would fit into anything but another Odyssey... The
blinking red light on the unit indicates that it has a code that must
be entered if the unit is removed, rendering it useless without the
code. There is also an immobilizer feature that kicks in if the coded
key is not used to start the car.

Dan D
'07 Ody EX Slate Green
Central NJ USA


Dano58 11-06-2007 09:02 AM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
On Nov 4, 11:46 pm, Dave <csharpu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
> manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
> is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
> of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
> system further or point me to a description?
>
> The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
> window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
> break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
> stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
> said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
> engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
> Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
> more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave


Are you planning to upgrade the head unit?? If not, I cannot imagine
someone breaking into your Odyssey to steal the stereo! I can't
imagine that it would fit into anything but another Odyssey... The
blinking red light on the unit indicates that it has a code that must
be entered if the unit is removed, rendering it useless without the
code. There is also an immobilizer feature that kicks in if the coded
key is not used to start the car.

Dan D
'07 Ody EX Slate Green
Central NJ USA


Zeppo 11-06-2007 12:45 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 

"Dave" <csharpuser@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194286597.797127.272790@z24g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
> On Nov 5, 6:40 am, Evan Platt <e...@theobvious.espphotography.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:46:19 -0800, Dave <csharpu...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Hi,

>>
>> >I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
>> >manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
>> >is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
>> >of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
>> >system further or point me to a description?

>>
>> >The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
>> >window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
>> >break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
>> >stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
>> >said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
>> >engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
>> >Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
>> >more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?

>>
>> While I'm not familiar with the specific 'alarm' on the Odyssey, most
>> 'stock' alarms are very basic. Right now, how do you get into your
>> car? Do you need to press the 'unlock' button on a remote?
>>
>> I would invest in a real alarm - you can find one at a stereo or alarm
>> shop for $250 - $300 installed. I have a 2000 Civic, and $300 covered
>> the alarm, install, a trunk sensor, a hood sensor, sensors on all 4
>> doors, and actuators for the doors and trunks, so I can pop the trunk
>> via the alarm remote. You can probably do better on a newer car...
>> --
>> To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Evan,
>
> Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. Right now, yes I hit an
> unlock button on a remote or I can just use the key.
>
> I had two old cars (w/o alarms) broken into recently for the stereos,
> so the topic is definately on my mind. Some sort of alarm that
> disabled the motor would be good. Unless of course you ended up
> stranded because your windown was broken for some other reason!
> Dave


Have someone sit in the car. Lock it via the remote and ask them to open
driver's door from inside. If you have an alarm you'll know about it.

Jon



Zeppo 11-06-2007 12:45 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 

"Dave" <csharpuser@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194286597.797127.272790@z24g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
> On Nov 5, 6:40 am, Evan Platt <e...@theobvious.espphotography.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:46:19 -0800, Dave <csharpu...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Hi,

>>
>> >I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
>> >manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
>> >is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
>> >of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
>> >system further or point me to a description?

>>
>> >The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
>> >window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
>> >break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
>> >stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
>> >said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
>> >engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
>> >Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
>> >more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?

>>
>> While I'm not familiar with the specific 'alarm' on the Odyssey, most
>> 'stock' alarms are very basic. Right now, how do you get into your
>> car? Do you need to press the 'unlock' button on a remote?
>>
>> I would invest in a real alarm - you can find one at a stereo or alarm
>> shop for $250 - $300 installed. I have a 2000 Civic, and $300 covered
>> the alarm, install, a trunk sensor, a hood sensor, sensors on all 4
>> doors, and actuators for the doors and trunks, so I can pop the trunk
>> via the alarm remote. You can probably do better on a newer car...
>> --
>> To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Evan,
>
> Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. Right now, yes I hit an
> unlock button on a remote or I can just use the key.
>
> I had two old cars (w/o alarms) broken into recently for the stereos,
> so the topic is definately on my mind. Some sort of alarm that
> disabled the motor would be good. Unless of course you ended up
> stranded because your windown was broken for some other reason!
> Dave


Have someone sit in the car. Lock it via the remote and ask them to open
driver's door from inside. If you have an alarm you'll know about it.

Jon



Woody 11-06-2007 07:31 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
The only thing added by an after market alarm is a vibration senser. That
means when you park in a parking garage every car that goes by sets off the
alarm. The factory alarm and immobilizer does everything else. The radio is
locked once power is removed and is useless to anyone without the code. Of
coarse many stupid dealers are putting the code in the glove box or on the
door frame. The dealer option is really just a big money maker for the
dealer. The information is in the operator manual but is hard to find. I
don't remember which section, try sound the audio sections, and am too lazy
to go out and get the book. Other than someone breaking in at home the alarm
is useless as noone even looks at it. Besides it is simple enough to cut the
horn wires...

"Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194357721.134759.253310@o80g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Nov 4, 11:46 pm, Dave <csharpu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
>> manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
>> is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
>> of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
>> system further or point me to a description?
>>
>> The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
>> window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
>> break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
>> stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
>> said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
>> engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
>> Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
>> more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave

>
> Are you planning to upgrade the head unit?? If not, I cannot imagine
> someone breaking into your Odyssey to steal the stereo! I can't
> imagine that it would fit into anything but another Odyssey... The
> blinking red light on the unit indicates that it has a code that must
> be entered if the unit is removed, rendering it useless without the
> code. There is also an immobilizer feature that kicks in if the coded
> key is not used to start the car.
>
> Dan D
> '07 Ody EX Slate Green
> Central NJ USA
>




Woody 11-06-2007 07:31 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
The only thing added by an after market alarm is a vibration senser. That
means when you park in a parking garage every car that goes by sets off the
alarm. The factory alarm and immobilizer does everything else. The radio is
locked once power is removed and is useless to anyone without the code. Of
coarse many stupid dealers are putting the code in the glove box or on the
door frame. The dealer option is really just a big money maker for the
dealer. The information is in the operator manual but is hard to find. I
don't remember which section, try sound the audio sections, and am too lazy
to go out and get the book. Other than someone breaking in at home the alarm
is useless as noone even looks at it. Besides it is simple enough to cut the
horn wires...

"Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194357721.134759.253310@o80g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Nov 4, 11:46 pm, Dave <csharpu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
>> manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
>> is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
>> of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
>> system further or point me to a description?
>>
>> The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
>> window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
>> break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
>> stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
>> said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
>> engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
>> Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
>> more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave

>
> Are you planning to upgrade the head unit?? If not, I cannot imagine
> someone breaking into your Odyssey to steal the stereo! I can't
> imagine that it would fit into anything but another Odyssey... The
> blinking red light on the unit indicates that it has a code that must
> be entered if the unit is removed, rendering it useless without the
> code. There is also an immobilizer feature that kicks in if the coded
> key is not used to start the car.
>
> Dan D
> '07 Ody EX Slate Green
> Central NJ USA
>




motsco_ 11-08-2007 12:57 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
Dave wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
> manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
> is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
> of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
> system further or point me to a description?
>
> The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
> window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
> break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
> stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
> said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
> engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
> Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
> more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave

------------------------------------

You already have keys with chips in them. Your Ody is hard to steal
without one of the correct keys.

'Curly'

motsco_ 11-08-2007 12:57 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
Dave wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
> manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
> is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
> of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
> system further or point me to a description?
>
> The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
> window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
> break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
> stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
> said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
> engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
> Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
> more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave

------------------------------------

You already have keys with chips in them. Your Ody is hard to steal
without one of the correct keys.

'Curly'

Dave 11-09-2007 04:05 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
Thanks for all the responses everyone. I think I'm just going to
stick with what I have and keep putting the club the steering wheel.
I'm not planning on changing the stereo.

At the dealer, they tried to scare me with the story that the theif
could break the window, crawl in and take the car or the stereo. But
I think I'll chance that.

So far, I've been really happy with the vehicle. I'm still figuring
it out though.
Thanks again,

Dave

On Nov 8, 9:57 am, motsco_ <mots...@interbaun.com> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > Hi,

>
> > I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
> > manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
> > is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
> > of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
> > system further or point me to a description?

>
> > The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
> > window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
> > break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
> > stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
> > said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
> > engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
> > Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
> > more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?

>
> > Thanks,

>
> > Dave

>
> ------------------------------------
>
> You already have keys with chips in them. Your Ody is hard to steal
> without one of the correct keys.
>
> 'Curly'- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -




Dave 11-09-2007 04:05 PM

Re: question about Alarm on Honda Odyssey 2007
 
Thanks for all the responses everyone. I think I'm just going to
stick with what I have and keep putting the club the steering wheel.
I'm not planning on changing the stereo.

At the dealer, they tried to scare me with the story that the theif
could break the window, crawl in and take the car or the stereo. But
I think I'll chance that.

So far, I've been really happy with the vehicle. I'm still figuring
it out though.
Thanks again,

Dave

On Nov 8, 9:57 am, motsco_ <mots...@interbaun.com> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > Hi,

>
> > I just bought a Honda Odyssey 2007. I've looked through the owner's
> > manual and can't find a description of the alarm system. Perhaps there
> > is none, but the dealer indicated that the factory puts in some sort
> > of system, and there is a blinking red light. Can anyone explain the
> > system further or point me to a description?

>
> > The dealer explained that the system won't be activated by a broken
> > window, but rather by someone opening the door. Thus, someone could
> > break the windown, slide in (without opening the door) and steal the
> > stereo or hotwire the car. At least this is what I undersood. She
> > said for a $495, they could put in a system that would lock down the
> > engine when the window was broken. The system is called "Karr
> > Security System Upgrade LX-1" Does this sound like a good deal? Or
> > more generally, what do Odyssey owners recommend?

>
> > Thanks,

>
> > Dave

>
> ------------------------------------
>
> You already have keys with chips in them. Your Ody is hard to steal
> without one of the correct keys.
>
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