Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> G-Man wrote:
>> I have a 2006 Accord NAV, and I a 2005 Pilot non-Nav. I got a
>> Garmin 360 Nuvi, and I swear it is more useful than the onboard NAV.
>> Cost about $600 compared to the thousands to get the NAV in the
>> accord. But I will say the other features in the NAV electronics
>> are nice. I love the display.
>
> I also use the Garmin units in my cars. Have semi-permanently mounted
> (w/external antenna) a 2610 in the dash bin beneath the heater/radio
> console and it works fine.
>
> I don't know that it's MORE useful than the built-in as I don't have
> one to compare it to. It does, however, do everything I could want
> it to and does it well.
>
> I, too, thought the update DVD's for the built in NAV systems were in
> the $300 range. Another fine deal from Garmin $75/year for their DVD
> which allows you to update TWO, not one but TWO, GPS units.

Updates, last I looked, were about $180 from Alpine.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

Ah, didn't even dawn on me about unlocking issues. Better to be honest
anyways, right? :)


>> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
>> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
>> was a real bummer.
>
> Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
> once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
> be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
> city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
> a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
> trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.
>
> Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Even after it sent us for a loop, I feel the same way. A mistake from
the navi isn't going to make me like it any less.

-Chris

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

Ah, didn't even dawn on me about unlocking issues. Better to be honest
anyways, right? :)


>> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
>> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
>> was a real bummer.
>
> Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
> once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
> be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
> city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
> a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
> trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.
>
> Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Even after it sent us for a loop, I feel the same way. A mistake from
the navi isn't going to make me like it any less.

-Chris

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

Ah, didn't even dawn on me about unlocking issues. Better to be honest
anyways, right? :)


>> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
>> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
>> was a real bummer.
>
> Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
> once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
> be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
> city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
> a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
> trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.
>
> Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Even after it sent us for a loop, I feel the same way. A mistake from
the navi isn't going to make me like it any less.

-Chris

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

Ah, didn't even dawn on me about unlocking issues. Better to be honest
anyways, right? :)


>> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
>> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
>> was a real bummer.
>
> Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
> once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
> be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
> city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
> a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
> trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.
>
> Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Even after it sent us for a loop, I feel the same way. A mistake from
the navi isn't going to make me like it any less.

-Chris

Re: question about hondas navi
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when the
> new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You don't
> get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned earlier,
> has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to $75. Think
> it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great product and they
> aren't out to screw over their customer base.
>

I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates require
a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update program kept
saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only in the Garmin
on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching on the error
text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the literature. There is
also apparently no work-around except to use a different computer.

Mike

Re: question about hondas navi
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when the
> new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You don't
> get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned earlier,
> has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to $75. Think
> it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great product and they
> aren't out to screw over their customer base.
>

I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates require
a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update program kept
saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only in the Garmin
on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching on the error
text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the literature. There is
also apparently no work-around except to use a different computer.

Mike

Re: question about hondas navi
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when the
> new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You don't
> get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned earlier,
> has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to $75. Think
> it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great product and they
> aren't out to screw over their customer base.
>

I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates require
a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update program kept
saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only in the Garmin
on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching on the error
text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the literature. There is
also apparently no work-around except to use a different computer.

Mike

Re: question about hondas navi
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when the
> new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You don't
> get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned earlier,
> has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to $75. Think
> it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great product and they
> aren't out to screw over their customer base.
>

I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates require
a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update program kept
saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only in the Garmin
on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching on the error
text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the literature. There is
also apparently no work-around except to use a different computer.

Mike

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates require
> a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update program kept
> saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only in the Garmin
> on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching on the error
> text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the literature. There is
> also apparently no work-around except to use a different computer.

Interesting. I never noticed as we're all Dell and, AFAIK, all Dells
are Intel processor equipped.

Not sure if it would be a problem with the 2610 since the CF cards can
be removed and popped into a reader which is the way I typically update.
OTOH, the Quest has to be connected by USB so it might be a problem
for me if it weren't for the fact that everything I have has Intel chipsets.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates require
> a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update program kept
> saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only in the Garmin
> on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching on the error
> text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the literature. There is
> also apparently no work-around except to use a different computer.

Interesting. I never noticed as we're all Dell and, AFAIK, all Dells
are Intel processor equipped.

Not sure if it would be a problem with the 2610 since the CF cards can
be removed and popped into a reader which is the way I typically update.
OTOH, the Quest has to be connected by USB so it might be a problem
for me if it weren't for the fact that everything I have has Intel chipsets.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates require
> a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update program kept
> saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only in the Garmin
> on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching on the error
> text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the literature. There is
> also apparently no work-around except to use a different computer.

Interesting. I never noticed as we're all Dell and, AFAIK, all Dells
are Intel processor equipped.

Not sure if it would be a problem with the 2610 since the CF cards can
be removed and popped into a reader which is the way I typically update.
OTOH, the Quest has to be connected by USB so it might be a problem
for me if it weren't for the fact that everything I have has Intel chipsets.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates require
> a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update program kept
> saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only in the Garmin
> on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching on the error
> text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the literature. There is
> also apparently no work-around except to use a different computer.

Interesting. I never noticed as we're all Dell and, AFAIK, all Dells
are Intel processor equipped.

Not sure if it would be a problem with the 2610 since the CF cards can
be removed and popped into a reader which is the way I typically update.
OTOH, the Quest has to be connected by USB so it might be a problem
for me if it weren't for the fact that everything I have has Intel chipsets.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates
>> require a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update
>> program kept saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only
>> in the Garmin on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching
>> on the error text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the
>> literature. There is also apparently no work-around except to use a
>> different computer.
>
> Interesting. I never noticed as we're all Dell and, AFAIK, all Dells are
> Intel processor equipped.

Yes until most recently. They're starting to put AMD in some machines.

> Not sure if it would be a problem with the 2610 since the CF cards can be
> removed and popped into a reader which is the way I typically update.
> OTOH, the Quest has to be connected by USB so it might be a problem for me
> if it weren't for the fact that everything I have has Intel chipsets.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates
>> require a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update
>> program kept saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only
>> in the Garmin on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching
>> on the error text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the
>> literature. There is also apparently no work-around except to use a
>> different computer.
>
> Interesting. I never noticed as we're all Dell and, AFAIK, all Dells are
> Intel processor equipped.

Yes until most recently. They're starting to put AMD in some machines.

> Not sure if it would be a problem with the 2610 since the CF cards can be
> removed and popped into a reader which is the way I typically update.
> OTOH, the Quest has to be connected by USB so it might be a problem for me
> if it weren't for the fact that everything I have has Intel chipsets.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates
>> require a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update
>> program kept saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only
>> in the Garmin on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching
>> on the error text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the
>> literature. There is also apparently no work-around except to use a
>> different computer.
>
> Interesting. I never noticed as we're all Dell and, AFAIK, all Dells are
> Intel processor equipped.

Yes until most recently. They're starting to put AMD in some machines.

> Not sure if it would be a problem with the 2610 since the CF cards can be
> removed and popped into a reader which is the way I typically update.
> OTOH, the Quest has to be connected by USB so it might be a problem for me
> if it weren't for the fact that everything I have has Intel chipsets.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> I found out the hard way (with our new c330) that the Garmin updates
>> require a computer with an Intel chip set. Mine has VIA and the update
>> program kept saying I had to hook up the GPS and turn it on. It was only
>> in the Garmin on-line support that I found the limitation (by searching
>> on the error text). It is apparently mentioned nowhere else in the
>> literature. There is also apparently no work-around except to use a
>> different computer.
>
> Interesting. I never noticed as we're all Dell and, AFAIK, all Dells are
> Intel processor equipped.

Yes until most recently. They're starting to put AMD in some machines.

> Not sure if it would be a problem with the 2610 since the CF cards can be
> removed and popped into a reader which is the way I typically update.
> OTOH, the Quest has to be connected by USB so it might be a problem for me
> if it weren't for the fact that everything I have has Intel chipsets.