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Question about wheel lock
Hi,
I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:58:19 -0700, wenmang@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi, > I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw wheel > locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock them before I > buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel locks? Does it come > with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx I assume you're talking about locking lug nuts? They come with a 'key' that goes over the lock and accepts a wrench. DON'T LOSE IT!!! Sometimes they can get the rim locks off...sometimes... |
Re: Question about wheel lock
<wenmang@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1176998299.491709.119080@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... > Hi, > I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw > wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock > them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel > locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx > If I understand your question and you're asking about tires not steering wheel-----A wheel lock, aka anti theft wheel lug, replaces one of your OEM lugs. It requires a special key to tighten and to remove. It's not a key such as you would put in your door but basically a special socket that goes between the lug wrench and the special lug. Without it you can't remove the "anti-theft lug. MLD |
Re: Question about wheel lock
<wenmang@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1176998299.491709.119080@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... > Hi, > I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw > wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock > them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel > locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx > > I will dissent on one item - they aren't terribly hard to remove without the tool. Normally one is used on each wheel and they can be removed almost as fast by a thief as a regular lug nut can. My favorite tire store educated me when I had to help a friend: select a 6-point socket that doesn't quite fit over the locking nut. Drive it on with a hammer, peeling back part of the lock surface. Put a ratchet in the socket and remove the assembly with a ratchet. Thieves will discard the socket (they probably stole it too!) while you will spend a few minutes with a vise and drift to separate the parts. Wear leather gloves - experience talking there :-( I guess the locks keep opportunists at bay. Mike |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Apr 19, 3:59 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote: > <wenm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1176998299.491709.119080@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...> Hi, > > I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw > > wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock > > them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel > > locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx > > I will dissent on one item - they aren't terribly hard to remove without the > tool. Normally one is used on each wheel and they can be removed almost as > fast by a thief as a regular lug nut can. My favorite tire store educated me > when I had to help a friend: > select a 6-point socket that doesn't quite fit over the locking nut. Drive > it on with a hammer, peeling back part of the lock surface. Put a ratchet in > the socket and remove the assembly with a ratchet. Thieves will discard the > socket (they probably stole it too!) while you will spend a few minutes with > a vise and drift to separate the parts. Wear leather gloves - experience > talking there :-( > > I guess the locks keep opportunists at bay. > > Mike So any verdict on locking wheel nuts (and my apologies to O.P., I realize this is likely off-topic), maybe they are more trouble than they're worth? |
Re: Question about wheel lock
Michael Pardee wrote:
> <wenmang@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1176998299.491709.119080@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... >> Hi, >> I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw >> wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock >> them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel >> locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx >> >> > I will dissent on one item - they aren't terribly hard to remove without the > tool. Normally one is used on each wheel and they can be removed almost as > fast by a thief as a regular lug nut can. My favorite tire store educated me > when I had to help a friend: > select a 6-point socket that doesn't quite fit over the locking nut. Drive > it on with a hammer, peeling back part of the lock surface. Put a ratchet in > the socket and remove the assembly with a ratchet. Thieves will discard the > socket (they probably stole it too!) while you will spend a few minutes with > a vise and drift to separate the parts. Wear leather gloves - experience > talking there :-( > > I guess the locks keep opportunists at bay. > > Mike > > > On nice rims, I will use two sets of locking lugs, two different keys per wheel.. it does slow them thieves down. They'll make too much noise and racket, and waste too much time, and this is an old trick told to me by others... so pass it on... I also have some $39 color video cameras watching... they steal gas, too. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
wenmang@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi, > I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw > wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock > them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel > locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx > forget them - they're useless against anyone that knows about these things: http://www.autobarn.net/emlugnutrem.html which would be most anyone in the wheel theft business. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:01:04 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> wenmang@yahoo.com wrote: >> Hi, >> I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw >> wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock them >> before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel locks? >> Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx >> > forget them - they're useless against anyone that knows about these > things: > > http://www.autobarn.net/emlugnutrem.html > > which would be most anyone in the wheel theft business. They don't always work! |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:06:30 -0700, Mendel Leisk wrote:
> On Apr 19, 3:59 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com> wrote: >> <wenm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:1176998299.491709.119080@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...> Hi, >> > I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw >> > wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock >> > them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel >> > locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx >> >> I will dissent on one item - they aren't terribly hard to remove without >> the tool. Normally one is used on each wheel and they can be removed >> almost as fast by a thief as a regular lug nut can. My favorite tire >> store educated me when I had to help a friend: >> select a 6-point socket that doesn't quite fit over the locking nut. >> Drive it on with a hammer, peeling back part of the lock surface. Put a >> ratchet in the socket and remove the assembly with a ratchet. Thieves >> will discard the socket (they probably stole it too!) while you will >> spend a few minutes with a vise and drift to separate the parts. Wear >> leather gloves - experience talking there :-( >> >> I guess the locks keep opportunists at bay. >> >> Mike > > So any verdict on locking wheel nuts (and my apologies to O.P., I realize > this is likely off-topic), maybe they are more trouble than they're worth? Yeah, can be. However: I have an '85 Corolla GTS. When it was new I used to park it in Hartford, Boston, New York (daytime ONLY!) and never had a problem with it. I misplaced the 'key', and had them removed and replaced with lugnuts. Less than THREE WEEKS, my wheels were GONE! |
Re: Question about wheel lock
Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:06:30 -0700, Mendel Leisk wrote: > >> On Apr 19, 3:59 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com> wrote: >>> <wenm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:1176998299.491709.119080@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...> Hi, >>>> I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw >>>> wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock >>>> them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel >>>> locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx >>> I will dissent on one item - they aren't terribly hard to remove without >>> the tool. Normally one is used on each wheel and they can be removed >>> almost as fast by a thief as a regular lug nut can. My favorite tire >>> store educated me when I had to help a friend: >>> select a 6-point socket that doesn't quite fit over the locking nut. >>> Drive it on with a hammer, peeling back part of the lock surface. Put a >>> ratchet in the socket and remove the assembly with a ratchet. Thieves >>> will discard the socket (they probably stole it too!) while you will >>> spend a few minutes with a vise and drift to separate the parts. Wear >>> leather gloves - experience talking there :-( >>> >>> I guess the locks keep opportunists at bay. >>> >>> Mike >> So any verdict on locking wheel nuts (and my apologies to O.P., I realize >> this is likely off-topic), maybe they are more trouble than they're worth? > > Yeah, can be. However: > > I have an '85 Corolla GTS. When it was new I used to park it in Hartford, > Boston, New York (daytime ONLY!) and never had a problem with it. > > I misplaced the 'key', and had them removed and replaced with lugnuts. > Less than THREE WEEKS, my wheels were GONE! > so the method used to remove your locks couldn't /possibly/ have been used to remove your wheels by thieves? b.s. you just got robbed. stupid wheel locks wouldn't stop me for more than 3 seconds if i wanted to play that game. best defense against theft is to pay attention to where you park the car. park and walk if necessary. or pack heat and do a stakeout. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Apr 19, 11:51 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:06:30 -0700, Mendel Leisk wrote: > > >> On Apr 19, 3:59 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >>> <wenm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >>>news:1176998299.491709.119080@n59g2000hsh.googl egroups.com...> Hi, > >>>> I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw > >>>> wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock > >>>> them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel > >>>> locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx > >>> I will dissent on one item - they aren't terribly hard to remove without > >>> the tool. Normally one is used on each wheel and they can be removed > >>> almost as fast by a thief as a regular lug nut can. My favorite tire > >>> store educated me when I had to help a friend: > >>> select a 6-point socket that doesn't quite fit over the locking nut. > >>> Drive it on with a hammer, peeling back part of the lock surface. Puta > >>> ratchet in the socket and remove the assembly with a ratchet. Thieves > >>> will discard the socket (they probably stole it too!) while you will > >>> spend a few minutes with a vise and drift to separate the parts. Wear > >>> leather gloves - experience talking there :-( > > >>> I guess the locks keep opportunists at bay. > > >>> Mike > >> So any verdict on locking wheel nuts (and my apologies to O.P., I realize > >> this is likely off-topic), maybe they are more trouble than they're worth? > > > Yeah, can be. However: > > > I have an '85 Corolla GTS. When it was new I used to park it in Hartford, > > Boston, New York (daytime ONLY!) and never had a problem with it. > > > I misplaced the 'key', and had them removed and replaced with lugnuts. > > Less than THREE WEEKS, my wheels were GONE! > > so the method used to remove your locks couldn't /possibly/ have been > used to remove your wheels by thieves? b.s. you just got robbed. > stupid wheel locks wouldn't stop me for more than 3 seconds if i wanted > to play that game. best defense against theft is to pay attention to > where you park the car. park and walk if necessary. or pack heat and > do a stakeout. Thanks everyone. I guess that I don't need wheel locks anymore if they cannot effectively protect my car. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:51:52 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:06:30 -0700, Mendel Leisk wrote: >> >>> On Apr 19, 3:59 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com> >>> wrote: >>>> <wenm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:1176998299.491709.119080@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...> Hi, >>>>> I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw >>>>> wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock >>>>> them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel >>>>> locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx >>>> I will dissent on one item - they aren't terribly hard to remove >>>> without the tool. Normally one is used on each wheel and they can be >>>> removed almost as fast by a thief as a regular lug nut can. My >>>> favorite tire store educated me when I had to help a friend: select a >>>> 6-point socket that doesn't quite fit over the locking nut. Drive it >>>> on with a hammer, peeling back part of the lock surface. Put a ratchet >>>> in the socket and remove the assembly with a ratchet. Thieves will >>>> discard the socket (they probably stole it too!) while you will spend >>>> a few minutes with a vise and drift to separate the parts. Wear >>>> leather gloves - experience talking there :-( >>>> >>>> I guess the locks keep opportunists at bay. >>>> >>>> Mike >>> So any verdict on locking wheel nuts (and my apologies to O.P., I >>> realize this is likely off-topic), maybe they are more trouble than >>> they're worth? >> >> Yeah, can be. However: >> >> I have an '85 Corolla GTS. When it was new I used to park it in >> Hartford, Boston, New York (daytime ONLY!) and never had a problem with >> it. >> >> I misplaced the 'key', and had them removed and replaced with lugnuts. >> Less than THREE WEEKS, my wheels were GONE! >> > so the method used to remove your locks couldn't /possibly/ have been used > to remove your wheels by thieves? b.s. you just got robbed. stupid wheel > locks wouldn't stop me for more than 3 seconds if i wanted to play that > game. best defense against theft is to pay attention to where you park > the car. park and walk if necessary. or pack heat and do a stakeout. It was right out in front of the house on a populated street. Of course, they stole the whole car and stripped it later. And you should have seen what the tech went through to get the locks off the car. It too FORTY-FIVE minutes, NOT 3, with a special tool, and an air impact wrench. I was watching. It isn't anywhere near as easy as you allude to! Even with those lock removers, it takes a LOT to remove a wheel lock, and the average theif wants to get in and out and done in less than 15 minutes. They aren't going to fart around trying to get the wheels off. Of course, your interior will be gutted and the radio gone, but the wheels will still be there. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:07:26 -0700, wenmang@yahoo.com wrote:
> Thanks everyone. I guess that I don't need wheel locks anymore if they > cannot effectively protect my car. OK, but I'm getting a set for my Scion and a set for my Supra. It WILL slow them down and they don't want to be slowed down. An alarm doesn't help, either, but you'll get 15% off your insurance for one. I get mine at Salvation Army (when they have them) for $9-20. Good ones, too...AudioVox (Toyota and Honda used to use the as "Factory" before the Anti-theft keys, etc). Can they defeat it? Yup. Will it stop them? Maybe, maybe not. Do I feel better? Yup! The other thing to do is hide a key switch (the round kind, like on soda machines) somewhere only you know where it is, and use it to power the starter solenoid off. After my Corolla got stolen I had an alarm, and wired a Sub-sonic alarm into that, got a Club (install it on the wheel so the key slot is facing TOWARDS the dash!), a kill switch and locked the hood with aircraft cable and a big honkin' lock. They don't want to spend that much time...so they'll get it with a Flatbed!!! Oh, yeah. And position the end of the club so you can't move the gearshift lever! |
Re: Question about wheel lock
"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:Uy6Wh.18$bZ2.6@trndny01... > On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:07:26 -0700, wenmang@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Thanks everyone. I guess that I don't need wheel locks anymore if they >> cannot effectively protect my car. > > OK, but I'm getting a set for my Scion and a set for my Supra. > It WILL slow them down and they don't want to be slowed down. > If they have the socket and hammer, it won't add five seconds to the time... maybe two or three seconds per wheel. It's quicker than driving a nail because the nail might bend ;-) All the lug nuts can still be off by the time the thieves get the wheel raised. It will deter opportunists, just not people looking for wheels. Mike |
Re: Question about wheel lock
"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:xr6Wh.9$Rd.6@trndny08... > > And you should have seen what the tech went through to get the locks off > the car. It too FORTY-FIVE minutes, NOT 3, with a special tool, and an air > impact wrench. I was watching. It isn't anywhere near as easy as you > allude to! > I did it by the roadside almost as quickly as I could select the correct socket. The socket went on with about three whacks of the four lb hammer and the deed was as good as done. Getting the socket off the lock was the tough part. It's possible some are hardened, and those couldn't be removed that way. Mike |
Re: Question about wheel lock
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message > news:Uy6Wh.18$bZ2.6@trndny01... >> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:07:26 -0700, wenmang@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> Thanks everyone. I guess that I don't need wheel locks anymore if they >>> cannot effectively protect my car. >> OK, but I'm getting a set for my Scion and a set for my Supra. >> It WILL slow them down and they don't want to be slowed down. >> > > If they have the socket and hammer, it won't add five seconds to the time... > maybe two or three seconds per wheel. It's quicker than driving a nail > because the nail might bend ;-) All the lug nuts can still be off by the > time the thieves get the wheel raised. > > It will deter opportunists, just not people looking for wheels. > > Mike indeed. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:55:57 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote: >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message >> news:Uy6Wh.18$bZ2.6@trndny01... >>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:07:26 -0700, wenmang@yahoo.com wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks everyone. I guess that I don't need wheel locks anymore if they >>>> cannot effectively protect my car. >>> OK, but I'm getting a set for my Scion and a set for my Supra. It WILL >>> slow them down and they don't want to be slowed down. >>> >>> >> If they have the socket and hammer, it won't add five seconds to the >> time... maybe two or three seconds per wheel. It's quicker than driving >> a nail because the nail might bend ;-) All the lug nuts can still be >> off by the time the thieves get the wheel raised. >> >> It will deter opportunists, just not people looking for wheels. >> >> Mike > > indeed. And, if they jam the socket on the first wheel lock, and can't get it off? |
Re: Question about wheel lock
Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:55:57 -0700, jim beam wrote: > >> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message >>> news:Uy6Wh.18$bZ2.6@trndny01... >>>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:07:26 -0700, wenmang@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks everyone. I guess that I don't need wheel locks anymore if they >>>>> cannot effectively protect my car. >>>> OK, but I'm getting a set for my Scion and a set for my Supra. It WILL >>>> slow them down and they don't want to be slowed down. >>>> >>>> >>> If they have the socket and hammer, it won't add five seconds to the >>> time... maybe two or three seconds per wheel. It's quicker than driving >>> a nail because the nail might bend ;-) All the lug nuts can still be >>> off by the time the thieves get the wheel raised. >>> >>> It will deter opportunists, just not people looking for wheels. >>> >>> Mike >> indeed. > > > And, if they jam the socket on the first wheel lock, and can't get it off? > > what makes you think that it's hard to carry 4 sockets that cost say $5 each when you want to steal a set of $1,000 wheels? you simply carry the tools for the job. better yet, carry /one/ socket of the type i identified earlier. bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to flummoxed by trivia. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that > they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting > avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to > flummoxed by trivia. Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into again a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone really wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even managed to break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am guessing they knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the second time all they managed to make off with was the stereo from the dash. With the Club, the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them to bother with anything else. (and talk about BALLS! It was 1 in the afternoon on the 4th of July!) No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not they're going to look elsewhere. I'm willing to take that bet. Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that > they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting > avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to > flummoxed by trivia. Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into again a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone really wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even managed to break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am guessing they knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the second time all they managed to make off with was the stereo from the dash. With the Club, the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them to bother with anything else. (and talk about BALLS! It was 1 in the afternoon on the 4th of July!) No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not they're going to look elsewhere. I'm willing to take that bet. Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Apr 19, 8:58 am, "wenm...@yahoo.com" <wenm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi, > I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw > wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock > them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel > locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx it works like this: you bring your car for a tire change and leave with the shop but do not leave the wrench with them. the mechanic get pissed and your car does not get worked on OR they use a power tool to rip the lock off (and the wheel stud alog with it) and you get pissed. in short if anyone wants your $500 shiny rims they will get them wheel locks or not. just speculating as i never had any of that on my cars |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Apr 19, 8:58 am, "wenm...@yahoo.com" <wenm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi, > I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw > wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock > them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel > locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx it works like this: you bring your car for a tire change and leave with the shop but do not leave the wrench with them. the mechanic get pissed and your car does not get worked on OR they use a power tool to rip the lock off (and the wheel stud alog with it) and you get pissed. in short if anyone wants your $500 shiny rims they will get them wheel locks or not. just speculating as i never had any of that on my cars |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku ハチク <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote: > > bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your > > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that > > they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting > > avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to > > flummoxed by trivia. > > Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into again > a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone really > wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even managed to > break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am guessing they > knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the second time all > they managed to make off with was the stereo from the dash. With the Club, > the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them to bother with anything > else. (and talk about BALLS! It was 1 in the afternoon on the 4th of July!) > > No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if > you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not > they're going to look elsewhere. > > I'm willing to take that bet. > > Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never > bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! .... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you. you may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail" (if you want to stay out of jail that is) page 114 defending property: no deadly force to protect personal property of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it but would you feel well living with a knowledge that you shot some who only wanted to steal your fancy rims and worrying if you disposed of the body properly or not? |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku ハチク <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote: > > bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your > > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that > > they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting > > avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to > > flummoxed by trivia. > > Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into again > a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone really > wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even managed to > break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am guessing they > knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the second time all > they managed to make off with was the stereo from the dash. With the Club, > the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them to bother with anything > else. (and talk about BALLS! It was 1 in the afternoon on the 4th of July!) > > No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if > you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not > they're going to look elsewhere. > > I'm willing to take that bet. > > Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never > bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! .... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you. you may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail" (if you want to stay out of jail that is) page 114 defending property: no deadly force to protect personal property of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it but would you feel well living with a knowledge that you shot some who only wanted to steal your fancy rims and worrying if you disposed of the body properly or not? |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:25:15 -0700, isquat wrote:
> On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku ハチク <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote: >> > bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your >> > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply >> > that they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and >> > attempting avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is >> > going to flummoxed by trivia. >> >> Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into >> again a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone >> really wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even >> managed to break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am >> guessing they knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the >> second time all they managed to make off with was the stereo from the >> dash. With the Club, the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them >> to bother with anything else. (and talk about BALLS! It was 1 in the >> afternoon on the 4th of July!) >> >> No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if >> you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not >> they're going to look elsewhere. >> >> I'm willing to take that bet. >> >> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never >> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! > > ... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you. you > may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail" (if you want to stay > out of jail that is) page 114 defending property: > no deadly force to protect personal property > > of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it but would > you feel well living with a knowledge that you shot some who only > wanted to steal your fancy rims and worrying if you disposed of the body > properly or not? I don't think anybody would think too much. At the time I was living in one of the most crime ridden areas of Mass. Another drug user off the street...eh... Maybe the rest would have learned...but I doubt it. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:25:15 -0700, isquat wrote:
> On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku ハチク <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote: >> > bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your >> > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply >> > that they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and >> > attempting avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is >> > going to flummoxed by trivia. >> >> Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into >> again a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone >> really wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even >> managed to break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am >> guessing they knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the >> second time all they managed to make off with was the stereo from the >> dash. With the Club, the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them >> to bother with anything else. (and talk about BALLS! It was 1 in the >> afternoon on the 4th of July!) >> >> No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if >> you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not >> they're going to look elsewhere. >> >> I'm willing to take that bet. >> >> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never >> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! > > ... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you. you > may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail" (if you want to stay > out of jail that is) page 114 defending property: > no deadly force to protect personal property > > of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it but would > you feel well living with a knowledge that you shot some who only > wanted to steal your fancy rims and worrying if you disposed of the body > properly or not? I don't think anybody would think too much. At the time I was living in one of the most crime ridden areas of Mass. Another drug user off the street...eh... Maybe the rest would have learned...but I doubt it. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
isquat@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku ハチク <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote: >> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never >> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! > > ... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you. > you may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail" > (if you want to stay out of jail that is) > page 114 defending property: > no deadly force to protect personal property > > of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it > but would you feel well living with a knowledge that you > shot some who only wanted to steal your fancy rims > and worrying if you disposed of the body properly or not? In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal property. Only state in the union that this is so. Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
isquat@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku ハチク <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote: >> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never >> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! > > ... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you. > you may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail" > (if you want to stay out of jail that is) > page 114 defending property: > no deadly force to protect personal property > > of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it > but would you feel well living with a knowledge that you > shot some who only wanted to steal your fancy rims > and worrying if you disposed of the body properly or not? In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal property. Only state in the union that this is so. Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:f0gv2b$if3$1@aioe.org... > > In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal > property. Only state in the union that this is so. > > Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent. > > Getting there in Arizona. A homeowner may assume mortal danger if facing an intruder in his home, whether a weapon is seen or not. Changed to that last year IIRC. In Phoenix a few years back a car owner was not prosecuted for shooting a fleeing man who had been trying to break into his car. The first apartment I had, in Oakland CA, was in a very rough neighborhood. My apartment was burglarized three times in a two week period, but nobody ever bothered anybody's car on the street. A quick death was too much to hope for if caught. Mike |
Re: Question about wheel lock
"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:f0gv2b$if3$1@aioe.org... > > In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal > property. Only state in the union that this is so. > > Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent. > > Getting there in Arizona. A homeowner may assume mortal danger if facing an intruder in his home, whether a weapon is seen or not. Changed to that last year IIRC. In Phoenix a few years back a car owner was not prosecuted for shooting a fleeing man who had been trying to break into his car. The first apartment I had, in Oakland CA, was in a very rough neighborhood. My apartment was burglarized three times in a two week period, but nobody ever bothered anybody's car on the street. A quick death was too much to hope for if caught. Mike |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Apr 22, 9:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote: > "Joe LaVigne" <jlavi...@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message > > news:f0gv2b$if3$1@aioe.org... > > > In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal > > property. Only state in the union that this is so. > > > Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent. > > Getting there in Arizona. A homeowner may assume mortal danger if facing an > intruder in his home, whether a weapon is seen or not. Changed to that last > year IIRC. In Phoenix a few years back a car owner was not prosecuted for > shooting a fleeing man who had been trying to break into his car. > Ok. I realized the book quoted is tailored to california law. As the texans would probably say: "california ... where women are like women... and men that way too" > The first apartment I had, in Oakland CA, was in a very rough neighborhood. > My apartment was burglarized three times in a two week period, but nobody > ever bothered anybody's car on the street. A quick death was too much to > hope for if caught. yep. oakland comes across as a screwy place to live in. what were they hoping for if they get caught in the apartment? just curious how different that's from screwing with someone's car. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
On Apr 22, 9:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote: > "Joe LaVigne" <jlavi...@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message > > news:f0gv2b$if3$1@aioe.org... > > > In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal > > property. Only state in the union that this is so. > > > Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent. > > Getting there in Arizona. A homeowner may assume mortal danger if facing an > intruder in his home, whether a weapon is seen or not. Changed to that last > year IIRC. In Phoenix a few years back a car owner was not prosecuted for > shooting a fleeing man who had been trying to break into his car. > Ok. I realized the book quoted is tailored to california law. As the texans would probably say: "california ... where women are like women... and men that way too" > The first apartment I had, in Oakland CA, was in a very rough neighborhood. > My apartment was burglarized three times in a two week period, but nobody > ever bothered anybody's car on the street. A quick death was too much to > hope for if caught. yep. oakland comes across as a screwy place to live in. what were they hoping for if they get caught in the apartment? just curious how different that's from screwing with someone's car. |
Re: Question about wheel lock
<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177306578.227855.160960@p77g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... > On Apr 22, 9:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com> > wrote: >> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavi...@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:f0gv2b$if3$1@aioe.org... >> >> > In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend >> > personal >> > property. Only state in the union that this is so. >> >> > Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent. >> >> Getting there in Arizona. A homeowner may assume mortal danger if facing >> an >> intruder in his home, whether a weapon is seen or not. Changed to that >> last >> year IIRC. In Phoenix a few years back a car owner was not prosecuted for >> shooting a fleeing man who had been trying to break into his car. >> > Ok. I realized the book quoted is tailored to california law. > As the texans would probably say: > "california ... where women are like women... and men > that way too" > >> The first apartment I had, in Oakland CA, was in a very rough >> neighborhood. >> My apartment was burglarized three times in a two week period, but nobody >> ever bothered anybody's car on the street. A quick death was too much to >> hope for if caught. > > yep. oakland comes across as a screwy place to live in. > what were they hoping for if they get caught in the apartment? > just curious how different that's from screwing with someone's > car. > > In the apartment they were expecting to dispose of the residents quickly and privately. They wouldn't come un-armed, you know. It's all a matter of who gets the drop on whom. Oakland was certainly screwy then, dunno about now. When I lived there the police sent up their first helicopter and it was shot down. Those were the days of Angela Davis and the Black Panthers. The police were just another armed gang roaming the streets. We had a race riot in my high school, and the police refused to come on campus. A few months later the school library was firebombed and the police still wouldn't escort the firemen on campus, so they (wisely) didn't go. It's a good place to be from. Mike |
Re: Question about wheel lock
<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177306578.227855.160960@p77g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... > On Apr 22, 9:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com> > wrote: >> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavi...@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:f0gv2b$if3$1@aioe.org... >> >> > In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend >> > personal >> > property. Only state in the union that this is so. >> >> > Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent. >> >> Getting there in Arizona. A homeowner may assume mortal danger if facing >> an >> intruder in his home, whether a weapon is seen or not. Changed to that >> last >> year IIRC. In Phoenix a few years back a car owner was not prosecuted for >> shooting a fleeing man who had been trying to break into his car. >> > Ok. I realized the book quoted is tailored to california law. > As the texans would probably say: > "california ... where women are like women... and men > that way too" > >> The first apartment I had, in Oakland CA, was in a very rough >> neighborhood. >> My apartment was burglarized three times in a two week period, but nobody >> ever bothered anybody's car on the street. A quick death was too much to >> hope for if caught. > > yep. oakland comes across as a screwy place to live in. > what were they hoping for if they get caught in the apartment? > just curious how different that's from screwing with someone's > car. > > In the apartment they were expecting to dispose of the residents quickly and privately. They wouldn't come un-armed, you know. It's all a matter of who gets the drop on whom. Oakland was certainly screwy then, dunno about now. When I lived there the police sent up their first helicopter and it was shot down. Those were the days of Angela Davis and the Black Panthers. The police were just another armed gang roaming the streets. We had a race riot in my high school, and the police refused to come on campus. A few months later the school library was firebombed and the police still wouldn't escort the firemen on campus, so they (wisely) didn't go. It's a good place to be from. Mike |
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