Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

Dano58 wrote:
> On May 7, 11:45 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Dano58 wrote:
>>> This whole 'Maintenance Minder' thing is still a struggle for me! We
>>> have about 4700 miles on our '07 Odyssey and the 'oil life' is still
>>> at 20%! I'm taking it in this week, just can't wait any longer.....
>>> Besides, I have 4 free oil change coupons that the dealer gave me as
>>> part of the sale of the car.
>>> I've always changed the oil at 1500 miles then every 3k after that (5k
>>> with the synthetic in my Audi). So this is new territory for me. OTOH
>>> the car is leased, so in 2.5 years Honda is getting it back, so.....
>> i don't mean this to be facetious, even though it sounds it, but why are
>> you abandoning science and research for tradition and superstition? put
>> another way, why can't you trust the engineers that poured millions of
>> dollars and years of research into developing this stuff? if it's fear
>> of the unknown, what do you know about metal fatigue and do you still
>> fly in planes?
>
> I didn't say I was NOT following the Maintenance Minder - I actually
> am - just that I'm having a hard time adjusting to it. My last new
> car, a 2004 Audi A4, has a traditional schedule of oil changes and
> service, especially with it's turbo 1.8T engine.
>
> And it may be 'science and research', but when Audi first came out
> with the 1.8T engine, they recommended regular dino oil and 10k change
> intervals. That changed in 2004 after having severe sludge issues -
> they went to synthetic and a larger oil filter, along with decreased
> change intervals. Those that maintained a 'traditional' 3k/5k oil
> change schedule tend to have fewer sludge issues. So, sometimes in the
> quest to cut maintenance costs, the manufacturers can get their
> science and research messed up by bean counters.
>
i think that has more to do with domestic oil formulations being
somewhat inferior to european ones - and the underestimation thereof.
and the problem of getting your oil changed at monkeylube. at least if
you specify synthetic and it's not used, there's recourse. if you
specified castrol [for instance] /nobody/ would pay attention.

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:Vr80i.117167$VU4.102189@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>>>Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks
>>>and maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly
>>>to automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the
>>>ancient Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close
>>>in operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or
>>>mindlessly denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good,
>>>bad and ugly, ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very
>>>much the same as modern manual transmissions but with controls (including
>>>lock-up torque converters) built in.
>>>
>>
>>My second car was a 1950 Buick Roadmaster. To increase fuel mileage, one
>>would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of the
>>typical 10 mpg.
>>
>>Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it..
>>
>>JT
>>
>>
>
> That's the thing! A manually shifted two speed meant to be used mostly as a
> single speed. A sister-in-law had some lesser Buick with a Dynaflow (aka
> Fluid Drive) when she and my brother first met. Doug said stepping on the
> gas would cause the engine to roar to life, as the car started moving slowly
> forward. Not the sort of transmission to mate with a small engine!
> Roadmasters were supposed to be quite the ride, though. IIRC they had enough
> power to make the Dynaflow useful.
>
> Mike
>


Yup... A huge overhead valve straight eight!

You could see the gas gauge go down as so did the gas pedal...

<G>

JT

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:Vr80i.117167$VU4.102189@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>>>Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks
>>>and maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly
>>>to automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the
>>>ancient Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close
>>>in operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or
>>>mindlessly denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good,
>>>bad and ugly, ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very
>>>much the same as modern manual transmissions but with controls (including
>>>lock-up torque converters) built in.
>>>
>>
>>My second car was a 1950 Buick Roadmaster. To increase fuel mileage, one
>>would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of the
>>typical 10 mpg.
>>
>>Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it..
>>
>>JT
>>
>>
>
> That's the thing! A manually shifted two speed meant to be used mostly as a
> single speed. A sister-in-law had some lesser Buick with a Dynaflow (aka
> Fluid Drive) when she and my brother first met. Doug said stepping on the
> gas would cause the engine to roar to life, as the car started moving slowly
> forward. Not the sort of transmission to mate with a small engine!
> Roadmasters were supposed to be quite the ride, though. IIRC they had enough
> power to make the Dynaflow useful.
>
> Mike
>


Yup... A huge overhead valve straight eight!

You could see the gas gauge go down as so did the gas pedal...

<G>

JT

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:38:48 -0400, "Howard"
<howardh1951@(nospam)gmail.com> wrote:

>If you got a letter from your dealer it is probably automatically generated
>based upon average mileage/usage to solicit or perhaps remind you that
>service may be imminent. Below is a copy/paste of what Honda interprets the
>codes on your maintenance minder system.
>
>Howard
Where did you copy the maintenance info from? Please.

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:38:48 -0400, "Howard"
<howardh1951@(nospam)gmail.com> wrote:

>If you got a letter from your dealer it is probably automatically generated
>based upon average mileage/usage to solicit or perhaps remind you that
>service may be imminent. Below is a copy/paste of what Honda interprets the
>codes on your maintenance minder system.
>
>Howard
Where did you copy the maintenance info from? Please.

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On May 8, 8:19�pm, Grumpy AuContraire <Gru...@ExtraGrumpyville.com>
wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote:
> > <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googleg roups.com...
>
> >>On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote:
>
> >>>>I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
> >>>>came on, on the dashboard?
>
> >>>Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change
> >>>your oil early, for your first oil change.
>
> >>i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics
> >>or a synthetic mix in.
> >>me thinks no point to change the oil filter though.
>
> >>>You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your
> >>>vehicle tells you it needs service.
>
> >>wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want
> >>a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^)
>
> > Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks and
> > maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly to
> > automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the ancient
> >BuickDynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close in
> > operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or mindlessly
> > denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, bad andugly,
> > ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as
> > modern manual transmissions but with controls (including lock-up torque
> > converters) built in.
>
> > Mike
>
> My second car was a 1950BuickRoadmaster. To increase fuel mileage,
> one would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of
> the typical 10 mpg.
>
> Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it..
>
> JT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have a 1950 Roadmaster right now!

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On May 8, 8:19�pm, Grumpy AuContraire <Gru...@ExtraGrumpyville.com>
wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote:
> > <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googleg roups.com...
>
> >>On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote:
>
> >>>>I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
> >>>>came on, on the dashboard?
>
> >>>Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change
> >>>your oil early, for your first oil change.
>
> >>i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics
> >>or a synthetic mix in.
> >>me thinks no point to change the oil filter though.
>
> >>>You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your
> >>>vehicle tells you it needs service.
>
> >>wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want
> >>a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^)
>
> > Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks and
> > maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly to
> > automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the ancient
> >BuickDynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close in
> > operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or mindlessly
> > denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, bad andugly,
> > ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as
> > modern manual transmissions but with controls (including lock-up torque
> > converters) built in.
>
> > Mike
>
> My second car was a 1950BuickRoadmaster. To increase fuel mileage,
> one would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of
> the typical 10 mpg.
>
> Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it..
>
> JT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have a 1950 Roadmaster right now!

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

CAYOBLUES@AOL.COM wrote:
> On May 8, 8:19�pm, Grumpy AuContraire <Gru...@ExtraGrumpyville.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>>><isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googl egroups.com...
>>
>>>>On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
>>>>>>came on, on the dashboard?
>>
>>>>>Correct. �In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change
>>>>>your oil early, for your first oil change.
>>
>>>>i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics
>>>>or a synthetic mix in.
>>>>me thinks no point to change the oil filter though.
>>
>>>>>You'll get service reminders all the time. �Just ignore them until your
>>>>>vehicle tells you it needs service.
>>
>>>>wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want
>>>>a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^)
>>
>>>Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks and
>>>maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly to
>>>automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the ancient
>>>BuickDynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close in
>>>operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or mindlessly
>>>denigrate the entire gamut of �automatic transmissions, good, bad and ugly,
>>>ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as
>>>modern manual transmissions but with controls (including lock-up torque
>>>converters) built in.
>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>My second car was a 1950BuickRoadmaster. �To increase fuel mileage,
>>one would start in low then shift into drive. �Gotya about 11 instead of
>>the typical 10 mpg.
>>
>>Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! �Wish I still had it..
>>
>>JT- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> I have a 1950 Roadmaster right now!
>

Four door? Black?? Maybe it's the same one...

<G>

JT

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

CAYOBLUES@AOL.COM wrote:
> On May 8, 8:19�pm, Grumpy AuContraire <Gru...@ExtraGrumpyville.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>>><isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googl egroups.com...
>>
>>>>On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
>>>>>>came on, on the dashboard?
>>
>>>>>Correct. �In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change
>>>>>your oil early, for your first oil change.
>>
>>>>i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics
>>>>or a synthetic mix in.
>>>>me thinks no point to change the oil filter though.
>>
>>>>>You'll get service reminders all the time. �Just ignore them until your
>>>>>vehicle tells you it needs service.
>>
>>>>wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want
>>>>a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^)
>>
>>>Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks and
>>>maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly to
>>>automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the ancient
>>>BuickDynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close in
>>>operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or mindlessly
>>>denigrate the entire gamut of �automatic transmissions, good, bad and ugly,
>>>ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as
>>>modern manual transmissions but with controls (including lock-up torque
>>>converters) built in.
>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>My second car was a 1950BuickRoadmaster. �To increase fuel mileage,
>>one would start in low then shift into drive. �Gotya about 11 instead of
>>the typical 10 mpg.
>>
>>Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! �Wish I still had it..
>>
>>JT- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> I have a 1950 Roadmaster right now!
>

Four door? Black?? Maybe it's the same one...

<G>

JT

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On May 8, 4:14 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:
> <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote:
> >> > I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
> >> > came on, on the dashboard?
>
> >> Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change
> >> your oil early, for your first oil change.
>
> > i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics
> > or a synthetic mix in.
> > me thinks no point to change the oil filter though.
>
> >> You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your
> >> vehicle tells you it needs service.
>
> > wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want
> > a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^)
>
,
> ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as
> modern manual transmissions

really??? I thought DSG is only found on certain VWs and even those
are far in between. Are you referring to the DSG clone in the upcoming
evo?
That car hasn't even been released to reviewers let alone the driving
public yet. Would you please be specific which technological
marvels you are referring to? found in which cars, specifically?
we're not marketing here and don't like things to me left to
imagination

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On May 8, 4:14 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:
> <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote:
> >> > I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
> >> > came on, on the dashboard?
>
> >> Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change
> >> your oil early, for your first oil change.
>
> > i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics
> > or a synthetic mix in.
> > me thinks no point to change the oil filter though.
>
> >> You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your
> >> vehicle tells you it needs service.
>
> > wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want
> > a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^)
>
,
> ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as
> modern manual transmissions

really??? I thought DSG is only found on certain VWs and even those
are far in between. Are you referring to the DSG clone in the upcoming
evo?
That car hasn't even been released to reviewers let alone the driving
public yet. Would you please be specific which technological
marvels you are referring to? found in which cars, specifically?
we're not marketing here and don't like things to me left to
imagination

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179302752.470075.82110@e65g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 8, 4:14 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> wrote:
> ,
>> ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same
>> as
>> modern manual transmissions
>
> really??? I thought DSG is only found on certain VWs and even those
> are far in between. Are you referring to the DSG clone in the upcoming
> evo?
> That car hasn't even been released to reviewers let alone the driving
> public yet. Would you please be specific which technological
> marvels you are referring to? found in which cars, specifically?
> we're not marketing here and don't like things to me left to
> imagination
>
>
"Slushboxes" were non-geared trannies. The venerable Dynaflow - the tranny
that gave rise to the term - was a fluid coupled torque converter with a
manual granny underdrive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynaflow); thus
"slushbox" to denote the coupling didn't involve gears. If you know of
things today that uses such an arrangement, please enlighten me. Even manual
trannies are lubricated, so having liquid in the gearbox isn't the issue.
Almost anything built in the last decade uses a lockup torque converter so
fluid coupling isn't normally going on there - the torque converter is
mostly a clutch.

Then there was Renault's powdered iron magnetic clutch on the electrically
shifted manual tranny to make it fully automatic, back in the '60s... as dry
as any manual tranny :-)

Mike

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179302752.470075.82110@e65g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 8, 4:14 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> wrote:
> ,
>> ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same
>> as
>> modern manual transmissions
>
> really??? I thought DSG is only found on certain VWs and even those
> are far in between. Are you referring to the DSG clone in the upcoming
> evo?
> That car hasn't even been released to reviewers let alone the driving
> public yet. Would you please be specific which technological
> marvels you are referring to? found in which cars, specifically?
> we're not marketing here and don't like things to me left to
> imagination
>
>
"Slushboxes" were non-geared trannies. The venerable Dynaflow - the tranny
that gave rise to the term - was a fluid coupled torque converter with a
manual granny underdrive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynaflow); thus
"slushbox" to denote the coupling didn't involve gears. If you know of
things today that uses such an arrangement, please enlighten me. Even manual
trannies are lubricated, so having liquid in the gearbox isn't the issue.
Almost anything built in the last decade uses a lockup torque converter so
fluid coupling isn't normally going on there - the torque converter is
mostly a clutch.

Then there was Renault's powdered iron magnetic clutch on the electrically
shifted manual tranny to make it fully automatic, back in the '60s... as dry
as any manual tranny :-)

Mike

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> <isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1179302752.470075.82110@e65g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>On May 8, 4:14 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
>>wrote:
>>,
>>
>>>ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same
>>>as
>>>modern manual transmissions
>>
>>really??? I thought DSG is only found on certain VWs and even those
>>are far in between. Are you referring to the DSG clone in the upcoming
>>evo?
>>That car hasn't even been released to reviewers let alone the driving
>>public yet. Would you please be specific which technological
>>marvels you are referring to? found in which cars, specifically?
>>we're not marketing here and don't like things to me left to
>>imagination
>>
>>
>
> "Slushboxes" were non-geared trannies. The venerable Dynaflow - the tranny
> that gave rise to the term - was a fluid coupled torque converter with a
> manual granny underdrive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynaflow); thus
> "slushbox" to denote the coupling didn't involve gears. If you know of
> things today that uses such an arrangement, please enlighten me. Even manual
> trannies are lubricated, so having liquid in the gearbox isn't the issue.
> Almost anything built in the last decade uses a lockup torque converter so
> fluid coupling isn't normally going on there - the torque converter is
> mostly a clutch.
>
> Then there was Renault's powdered iron magnetic clutch on the electrically
> shifted manual tranny to make it fully automatic, back in the '60s... as dry
> as any manual tranny :-)
>
> Mike
>


I believe that Studebaker was the pioneer with regards to lock up
converters with the Automatic Drive introduced in 1950.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Drive


JT

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> <isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1179302752.470075.82110@e65g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>On May 8, 4:14 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
>>wrote:
>>,
>>
>>>ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same
>>>as
>>>modern manual transmissions
>>
>>really??? I thought DSG is only found on certain VWs and even those
>>are far in between. Are you referring to the DSG clone in the upcoming
>>evo?
>>That car hasn't even been released to reviewers let alone the driving
>>public yet. Would you please be specific which technological
>>marvels you are referring to? found in which cars, specifically?
>>we're not marketing here and don't like things to me left to
>>imagination
>>
>>
>
> "Slushboxes" were non-geared trannies. The venerable Dynaflow - the tranny
> that gave rise to the term - was a fluid coupled torque converter with a
> manual granny underdrive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynaflow); thus
> "slushbox" to denote the coupling didn't involve gears. If you know of
> things today that uses such an arrangement, please enlighten me. Even manual
> trannies are lubricated, so having liquid in the gearbox isn't the issue.
> Almost anything built in the last decade uses a lockup torque converter so
> fluid coupling isn't normally going on there - the torque converter is
> mostly a clutch.
>
> Then there was Renault's powdered iron magnetic clutch on the electrically
> shifted manual tranny to make it fully automatic, back in the '60s... as dry
> as any manual tranny :-)
>
> Mike
>


I believe that Studebaker was the pioneer with regards to lock up
converters with the Automatic Drive introduced in 1950.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Drive


JT

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On May 16, 12:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:
> <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179302752.470075.82110@e65g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > On May 8, 4:14 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> > wrote:
> > ,
> >> ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same
> >> as
> >> modern manual transmissions
>
> > really??? I thought DSG is only found on certain VWs and even those
> > are far in between. Are you referring to the DSG clone in the upcoming
> > evo?
> > That car hasn't even been released to reviewers let alone the driving
> > public yet. Would you please be specific which technological
> > marvels you are referring to? found in which cars, specifically?
> > we're not marketing here and don't like things to me left to
> > imagination
>
> "Slushboxes" were non-geared trannies. The venerable Dynaflow - the tranny
> that gave rise to the term - was a fluid coupled torque converter with a
> manual granny underdrive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynaflow);thus
> "slushbox" to denote the coupling didn't involve gears. If you know of
> things today that uses such an arrangement, please enlighten me. Even manual
> trannies are lubricated, so having liquid in the gearbox isn't the issue.
> Almost anything built in the last decade uses a lockup torque converter so
> fluid coupling isn't normally going on there - the torque converter is
> mostly a clutch.
>
> Then there was Renault's powdered iron magnetic clutch on the electrically
> shifted manual tranny to make it fully automatic, back in the '60s... as dry
> as any manual tranny :-)

i think you would've made one helluva flesh eating lawyer,
or at least some kind of a politician, did anyone tell you that
before?

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On May 16, 12:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:
> <isq...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179302752.470075.82110@e65g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > On May 8, 4:14 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> > wrote:
> > ,
> >> ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same
> >> as
> >> modern manual transmissions
>
> > really??? I thought DSG is only found on certain VWs and even those
> > are far in between. Are you referring to the DSG clone in the upcoming
> > evo?
> > That car hasn't even been released to reviewers let alone the driving
> > public yet. Would you please be specific which technological
> > marvels you are referring to? found in which cars, specifically?
> > we're not marketing here and don't like things to me left to
> > imagination
>
> "Slushboxes" were non-geared trannies. The venerable Dynaflow - the tranny
> that gave rise to the term - was a fluid coupled torque converter with a
> manual granny underdrive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynaflow);thus
> "slushbox" to denote the coupling didn't involve gears. If you know of
> things today that uses such an arrangement, please enlighten me. Even manual
> trannies are lubricated, so having liquid in the gearbox isn't the issue.
> Almost anything built in the last decade uses a lockup torque converter so
> fluid coupling isn't normally going on there - the torque converter is
> mostly a clutch.
>
> Then there was Renault's powdered iron magnetic clutch on the electrically
> shifted manual tranny to make it fully automatic, back in the '60s... as dry
> as any manual tranny :-)

i think you would've made one helluva flesh eating lawyer,
or at least some kind of a politician, did anyone tell you that
before?

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

I am a Service Advisor in a Honda dealership..We advise on the newer
vehicles to watch your oil life...at 15% you should call for a Service
appointment.This is by American Honda Standards.There are two schedules
for maintence for Honda Vehicles one for the older and one for the newer
vehicles..if you dont put a lot of miles on a new vehicle an oil change
should be done in at least 6 months..The older 3 months or 3,000
miles...We don't want to make any extra money off of you , we make our
money off of people who DON'T take care of their cars.

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

I am a Service Advisor in a Honda dealership..We advise on the newer
vehicles to watch your oil life...at 15% you should call for a Service
appointment.This is by American Honda Standards.There are two schedules
for maintence for Honda Vehicles one for the older and one for the newer
vehicles..if you dont put a lot of miles on a new vehicle an oil change
should be done in at least 6 months..The older 3 months or 3,000
miles...We don't want to make any extra money off of you , we make our
money off of people who DON'T take care of their cars.

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179389076.318197.130640@o5g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 16, 12:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> wrote:
>
> i think you would've made one helluva flesh eating lawyer,
> or at least some kind of a politician, did anyone tell you that
> before?
>
>
Sorry... engineer, not lawyer. I do get wound up in pointless discussions,
though :-}

Mike

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179389076.318197.130640@o5g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 16, 12:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> wrote:
>
> i think you would've made one helluva flesh eating lawyer,
> or at least some kind of a politician, did anyone tell you that
> before?
>
>
Sorry... engineer, not lawyer. I do get wound up in pointless discussions,
though :-}

Mike

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> <isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1179389076.318197.130640@o5g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>On May 16, 12:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>i think you would've made one helluva flesh eating lawyer,
>>or at least some kind of a politician, did anyone tell you that
>>before?
>>
>>
>
> Sorry... engineer, not lawyer. I do get wound up in pointless discussions,
> though :-}
>
> Mike
>
>


Heh... Engineers often can be held in contempt too!

Don'tcha think that them thar' guys that design things, (and the process
guys that follow), where you hafta take apart half the car to replace an
alternator whould be tied eagled across a Texas fire ant mound maybe?

<G>

JT

(A retired process engineer (mfg) who tried to minimize product service
issues)

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> <isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1179389076.318197.130640@o5g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>On May 16, 12:09 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>i think you would've made one helluva flesh eating lawyer,
>>or at least some kind of a politician, did anyone tell you that
>>before?
>>
>>
>
> Sorry... engineer, not lawyer. I do get wound up in pointless discussions,
> though :-}
>
> Mike
>
>


Heh... Engineers often can be held in contempt too!

Don'tcha think that them thar' guys that design things, (and the process
guys that follow), where you hafta take apart half the car to replace an
alternator whould be tied eagled across a Texas fire ant mound maybe?

<G>

JT

(A retired process engineer (mfg) who tried to minimize product service
issues)

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On May 17, 10:50 pm, Dancing_Feathe...@webtv.net (Marcia M) wrote:
> I am a Service Advisor in a Honda dealership..We advise on the newer
> vehicles to watch your oil life...at 15% you should call for a Service
> appointment.This is by American Honda Standards.There are two schedules
> for maintence for Honda Vehicles one for the older and one for the newer
> vehicles..if you dont put a lot of miles on a new vehicle an oil change
> should be done in at least 6 months..The older 3 months or 3,000
> miles...We don't want to make any extra money off of you , we make our
> money off of people who DON'T take care of their cars.

The little wrench in my Odyssey lit up the other day, when the oil
life indicator turned to 15%, so you're right on, Marcia! Time for the
oil change, I guess.....

Dan D
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA

Re: Question re first 3 month service
 

On May 17, 10:50 pm, Dancing_Feathe...@webtv.net (Marcia M) wrote:
> I am a Service Advisor in a Honda dealership..We advise on the newer
> vehicles to watch your oil life...at 15% you should call for a Service
> appointment.This is by American Honda Standards.There are two schedules
> for maintence for Honda Vehicles one for the older and one for the newer
> vehicles..if you dont put a lot of miles on a new vehicle an oil change
> should be done in at least 6 months..The older 3 months or 3,000
> miles...We don't want to make any extra money off of you , we make our
> money off of people who DON'T take care of their cars.

The little wrench in my Odyssey lit up the other day, when the oil
life indicator turned to 15%, so you're right on, Marcia! Time for the
oil change, I guess.....

Dan D
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA