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Saint Electrolux 59 04-12-2006 12:44 AM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

Should be fun!

"Wagonwheel" <Wagonwheel_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:e1evgf05e3@drn.newsguy.com...
> GM's top brass confirmed Wagoneers position by assuring stockholders that

"Rick
> ain't a dick" when it comes to managing GM's losses. The same boneheads

keep
> giving him a raise. An old man's cluster of old farts and assholes

who keep
> their jobs by voting themselves a pay raise. I thought Kerkorian was

smarter
> than these clowns. They just keep pulling the condom over his head. A

good jap
> or china man running GM would shake the out of these old farts!
>
>
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jcr 04-12-2006 05:32 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
> On 4/12/2006 12:44 AM ... Saint Electrolux 59 wrote:
> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>
> Should be fun!
>
> "Wagonwheel" <Wagonwheel_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:e1evgf05e3@drn.newsguy.com...
>> GM's top brass confirmed Wagoneers position by assuring stockholders that

> "Rick
>> ain't a dick" when it comes to managing GM's losses. The same boneheads

> keep
>> giving him a raise. An old man's cluster of old farts and assholes

> who keep
>> their jobs by voting themselves a pay raise. I thought Kerkorian was

> smarter
>> than these clowns. They just keep pulling the condom over his head. A

> good jap
>> or china man running GM would shake the out of these old farts!
>>
>>
>> --
>> NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
>>

>


Na! With recent sales of assets, they now have enough cash now to get
them through xmas. Problem is that what they've been selling are the
larger money-makers for them, so once the cash runs out and absent any
more fire sales OR some other way to make up the income loss...who knows!

jcr 04-12-2006 05:32 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
> On 4/12/2006 12:44 AM ... Saint Electrolux 59 wrote:
> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>
> Should be fun!
>
> "Wagonwheel" <Wagonwheel_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:e1evgf05e3@drn.newsguy.com...
>> GM's top brass confirmed Wagoneers position by assuring stockholders that

> "Rick
>> ain't a dick" when it comes to managing GM's losses. The same boneheads

> keep
>> giving him a raise. An old man's cluster of old farts and assholes

> who keep
>> their jobs by voting themselves a pay raise. I thought Kerkorian was

> smarter
>> than these clowns. They just keep pulling the condom over his head. A

> good jap
>> or china man running GM would shake the out of these old farts!
>>
>>
>> --
>> NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
>>

>


Na! With recent sales of assets, they now have enough cash now to get
them through xmas. Problem is that what they've been selling are the
larger money-makers for them, so once the cash runs out and absent any
more fire sales OR some other way to make up the income loss...who knows!

Charles 04-14-2006 09:02 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 

"Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
news:4c3e0$443c85b7$d1cc7ae7$32211@snip.allthenews groups.com...
> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>
> Should be fun!


I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
remaining 49%...
Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
all of the GM managers early outs.



Charles 04-14-2006 09:02 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 

"Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
news:4c3e0$443c85b7$d1cc7ae7$32211@snip.allthenews groups.com...
> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>
> Should be fun!


I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
remaining 49%...
Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
all of the GM managers early outs.



Dale Worley 04-14-2006 10:57 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
"Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
> > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

>
> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> remaining 49%...


I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
market has spoken...

Dale Worley
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Dale Worley 04-14-2006 10:57 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
"Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
> > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

>
> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> remaining 49%...


I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
market has spoken...

Dale Worley
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Jason 04-15-2006 11:42 AM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
In article <1240hi3hitvds1a@corp.supernews.com>, "Charles"
<h90943@hotmail.commie> wrote:

> "Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
> news:4c3e0$443c85b7$d1cc7ae7$32211@snip.allthenews groups.com...
> > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
> >
> > Should be fun!

>
> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> remaining 49%...
> Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
> all of the GM managers early outs.


It would be more likely that Honda would buy GM instead of GM buying Honda.
Please remember the situation involving Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz.

However, I doubt that Honda would want the problems connected to taking
over a company that has the debt burden (eg paying for the retirement and
related health care costs of thousands of GM employees) if GM.
Jason

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Jason 04-15-2006 11:42 AM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
In article <1240hi3hitvds1a@corp.supernews.com>, "Charles"
<h90943@hotmail.commie> wrote:

> "Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
> news:4c3e0$443c85b7$d1cc7ae7$32211@snip.allthenews groups.com...
> > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
> >
> > Should be fun!

>
> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> remaining 49%...
> Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
> all of the GM managers early outs.


It would be more likely that Honda would buy GM instead of GM buying Honda.
Please remember the situation involving Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz.

However, I doubt that Honda would want the problems connected to taking
over a company that has the debt burden (eg paying for the retirement and
related health care costs of thousands of GM employees) if GM.
Jason

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Cool Jet 04-15-2006 12:27 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
Dale Worley wrote:
> "Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
> > > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

> >
> > I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> > remaining 49%...

>
> I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
> market has spoken...


While I have no desire to take sides in this discussion, I have to take
exception with your comment Dale. You can't buy diddley with "market
cap". You need cash! ;-)


Cool Jet 04-15-2006 12:27 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
Dale Worley wrote:
> "Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
> > > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

> >
> > I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> > remaining 49%...

>
> I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
> market has spoken...


While I have no desire to take sides in this discussion, I have to take
exception with your comment Dale. You can't buy diddley with "market
cap". You need cash! ;-)


Charles 04-15-2006 11:09 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
Market cap does not equate to cash reserves. However, I do not think that
they could come up with 59B and certainly could not utilize the purchase to
their advantage.
"Dale Worley" <worley@dragon.ariadne.com> wrote in message
news:87psjjv948.fsf@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> "Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
> > > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

> >
> > I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> > remaining 49%...

>
> I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
> market has spoken...
>
> Dale Worley
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Charles 04-15-2006 11:09 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
Market cap does not equate to cash reserves. However, I do not think that
they could come up with 59B and certainly could not utilize the purchase to
their advantage.
"Dale Worley" <worley@dragon.ariadne.com> wrote in message
news:87psjjv948.fsf@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> "Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
> > > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

> >
> > I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> > remaining 49%...

>
> I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
> market has spoken...
>
> Dale Worley
> --
> Warn me before sending HTML e-mail, or it will be deleted as spam.
> --
> And one of cyberspace's main properties is trying to pretend the real
> world doesn't exist, or that magically it can force the real world to
> rethink reality to fit what cyberspace's belief that reality ought to
> be. -- Chuq Von Rospach




jcr 04-15-2006 11:28 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
> On 4/15/2006 11:42 AM ... Jason wrote:
> In article <1240hi3hitvds1a@corp.supernews.com>, "Charles"
> <h90943@hotmail.commie> wrote:
>
>> "Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c3e0$443c85b7$d1cc7ae7$32211@snip.allthenews groups.com...
>>> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
>>> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>>>
>>> Should be fun!

>> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
>> remaining 49%...
>> Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
>> all of the GM managers early outs.

>
> It would be more likely that Honda would buy GM instead of GM buying Honda.
> Please remember the situation involving Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz.
>
> However, I doubt that Honda would want the problems connected to taking
> over a company that has the debt burden (eg paying for the retirement and
> related health care costs of thousands of GM employees) if GM.
> Jason
>

....unless the government made a deal to accept some of the debt
themselves so that Honda's buyout at least kept some of the debt and
kept people working (and tax-payers). Interesting idea!

jcr 04-15-2006 11:28 PM

Re: GM's Butt buddies
 
> On 4/15/2006 11:42 AM ... Jason wrote:
> In article <1240hi3hitvds1a@corp.supernews.com>, "Charles"
> <h90943@hotmail.commie> wrote:
>
>> "Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c3e0$443c85b7$d1cc7ae7$32211@snip.allthenews groups.com...
>>> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
>>> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>>>
>>> Should be fun!

>> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
>> remaining 49%...
>> Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
>> all of the GM managers early outs.

>
> It would be more likely that Honda would buy GM instead of GM buying Honda.
> Please remember the situation involving Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz.
>
> However, I doubt that Honda would want the problems connected to taking
> over a company that has the debt burden (eg paying for the retirement and
> related health care costs of thousands of GM employees) if GM.
> Jason
>

....unless the government made a deal to accept some of the debt
themselves so that Honda's buyout at least kept some of the debt and
kept people working (and tax-payers). Interesting idea!


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