Re: Import owners are to blame for the recession
 

I agree, this Taurus was crap stuff we hear in foreign car NGs, is plain old
BS from people who never owed one.

When I owned my fleet service business we serviced literally thousand of
Taurus' that were run up to 300,000 miles trouble free.

We provide warranty coverage and serviced about every brand you can name and
there was no significant difference between domestics and imports when it
came to longevity. Every manufacturer is building good quality, long
lasting vehicles today, if they are given the proper preventive maintenance.
The only real difference is style and price, period

In addition the 2009 Taurus costs thousands less to drive home from the
dealship than a 2009 Camry. The Taurus it is a full size car like the
Avalon, not a mid size car like the Camry


"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:494262c4$1@kcnews01...
>
> "me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:e4s3k4l1r3qdjuacnj910jf9bvcnt814au@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:20:16 -0500, "Derek Gee"
>> <dgeeSPAMSUCKS@twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Taurus is performing at
>>>Toyota quality level. Even Consumer Reports has taken notice of the
>>>changes.
>>>
>>>A friend of mine traded-in his unreliable 1998 Toyota Camry for a 2008
>>>Taurus, and he's says it's the best car he's ever owned. It's only one
>>>that
>>>didn't have to go back to the dealer right away to have something fixed!
>>
>> Yes... reuse the model name from a car that has serious electrical
>> issues and trannys that all died at 72K miles. Brilliant marketing
>> move... they're appealing to the "I want a car with a suck reputation"
>> segment.
>
> Well I owned two of those cars (one Sable, one Taurus). Neither had
> electrical problems and neither had transmission problems. I sold the
> Sable to a friend when it had 1400k miles. He drove it for another 60K
> miles and only got rid of it when it was totaled in an accident.
>
> "Taurus" has a lot of name recognition. There are millions of happy Taurus
> owners out there. I don't think I would have reused the name on the Five
> Hundred, but I suspect Ford researched this decision a lot better than I
> could and decided it was a good thing to do. Most of the people who say
> bad things about a Taurus, never actually owned one....
>
> Ed

Re: Import owners are to blame for the recession
 

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:53:56 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

>I agree, this Taurus was crap stuff we hear in foreign car NGs, is plain old
>BS from people who never owed one.
>
>When I owned my fleet service business we serviced literally thousand of
>Taurus' that were run up to 300,000 miles trouble free.

Yeah right. The 80's and 90's Taurus' had serious transmission
problem. Look into the history of the AX4S and get back to me.
Everyone I knew with a Taurus had tranny problems around 70K miles.
The proof is in the pudding as Ford fixed many of these post warranty
due to the wide problems. The car has a crappy reputation.

>We provide warranty coverage and serviced about every brand you can name and
>there was no significant difference between domestics and imports when it
>came to longevity. Every manufacturer is building good quality, long
>lasting vehicles today, if they are given the proper preventive maintenance.
>The only real difference is style and price, period

More nonsense from the king of "pull it out of your butt" nonsense
posting. It's true that no manufacturer is without defects and issues,
but there are big differences in quality.

>In addition the 2009 Taurus costs thousands less to drive home from the
>dealship than a 2009 Camry. The Taurus it is a full size car like the
>Avalon, not a mid size car like the Camry

But it's not comparable to the Avalon except in size. You're still
stuck in that American car buying theme of the past "if it's bigger it
must be better and worth more".

Re: Import owners are to blame for the recession
 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
news:cPudnbMMtP_EXN_UnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@ptd.net...
>I agree, this Taurus was crap stuff we hear in foreign car NGs, is plain
>old BS from people who never owed one.
>
> When I owned my fleet service business we serviced literally thousand of
> Taurus' that were run up to 300,000 miles trouble free.
>
> We provide warranty coverage and serviced about every brand you can name
> and there was no significant difference between domestics and imports when
> it came to longevity. Every manufacturer is building good quality, long
> lasting vehicles today, if they are given the proper preventive
> maintenance. The only real difference is style and price, period
>
> In addition the 2009 Taurus costs thousands less to drive home from the
> dealship than a 2009 Camry. The Taurus it is a full size car like the
> Avalon, not a mid size car like the Camry


Years ago we had a 88 Taurus wagon and while the quality today may be
comparable to Toyota or Honda, our experience back then indicated otherwise
when compared to Civic we had and a prior ownership of a Volvo 240 wagon.
Within two years of ownership and less than 25k miles, the paint
deteriorated, the shocks had to be replaced, the water pump went out, the
driver's side seat sagged (and neither my wife or I are heavyweights ). We
sold it at a loss and bought a Toyota Previa. The Toyota was bulletproof
and a real quality vehicle and far superior in every way to the Taurus. I
don't gamble when I buy a car today and stick with what has worked well over
the years -- Honda or Toyota.

>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:494262c4$1@kcnews01...
>>
>> "me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:e4s3k4l1r3qdjuacnj910jf9bvcnt814au@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:20:16 -0500, "Derek Gee"
>>> <dgeeSPAMSUCKS@twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Taurus is performing at
>>>>Toyota quality level. Even Consumer Reports has taken notice of the
>>>>changes.
>>>>
>>>>A friend of mine traded-in his unreliable 1998 Toyota Camry for a 2008
>>>>Taurus, and he's says it's the best car he's ever owned. It's only one
>>>>that
>>>>didn't have to go back to the dealer right away to have something fixed!
>>>
>>> Yes... reuse the model name from a car that has serious electrical
>>> issues and trannys that all died at 72K miles. Brilliant marketing
>>> move... they're appealing to the "I want a car with a suck reputation"
>>> segment.
>>
>> Well I owned two of those cars (one Sable, one Taurus). Neither had
>> electrical problems and neither had transmission problems. I sold the
>> Sable to a friend when it had 1400k miles. He drove it for another 60K
>> miles and only got rid of it when it was totaled in an accident.
>>
>> "Taurus" has a lot of name recognition. There are millions of happy
>> Taurus owners out there. I don't think I would have reused the name on
>> the Five Hundred, but I suspect Ford researched this decision a lot
>> better than I could and decided it was a good thing to do. Most of the
>> people who say bad things about a Taurus, never actually owned one....
>>
>> Ed
>
>

Re: Import owners are to blame for the recession
 

tww1491 wrote:
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
> news:cPudnbMMtP_EXN_UnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@ptd.net...
>> I agree, this Taurus was crap stuff we hear in foreign car NGs, is plain
>> old BS from people who never owed one.
>>
>> When I owned my fleet service business we serviced literally thousand of
>> Taurus' that were run up to 300,000 miles trouble free.
>>
>> We provide warranty coverage and serviced about every brand you can name
>> and there was no significant difference between domestics and imports when
>> it came to longevity. Every manufacturer is building good quality, long
>> lasting vehicles today, if they are given the proper preventive
>> maintenance. The only real difference is style and price, period
>>
>> In addition the 2009 Taurus costs thousands less to drive home from the
>> dealship than a 2009 Camry. The Taurus it is a full size car like the
>> Avalon, not a mid size car like the Camry
>
>
> Years ago we had a 88 Taurus wagon and while the quality today may be
> comparable to Toyota or Honda, our experience back then indicated otherwise
> when compared to Civic we had and a prior ownership of a Volvo 240 wagon.
> Within two years of ownership and less than 25k miles, the paint
> deteriorated, the shocks had to be replaced, the water pump went out, the
> driver's side seat sagged (and neither my wife or I are heavyweights ). We
> sold it at a loss and bought a Toyota Previa. The Toyota was bulletproof
> and a real quality vehicle and far superior in every way to the Taurus. I
> don't gamble when I buy a car today and stick with what has worked well over
> the years -- Honda or Toyota.


My father and Sister had had several Tauruses, from the '80s and
'90's, and we've had Volvos and Camrys. Two of the Tauruses were very
good cars (and one a bit of a lemon), but they were heavy, the fuel
economy with that V-6 was disappointing to a Camry four owner, and most
of them were developing problems by 100k miles. One of my father's cars
did rack up a couple hundred thousand miles with no major problems, but
both of my Sister's cars were having trouble before 100k. It seemed like
a good enough car to get if you got a new car every 3 years, but not in
the same league as the Japanese sedans. I don't know about the post-2000
models.