Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
I torque mine with a torque wrench to only about 20 ft lbs, thats snug
enough for me. "JR" <jreld@softhome.net> wrote in message news:fhXZa.3211$Ea.478@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com... > What is the proper torque for the oil pan drain plug on a '93 Civic? > > Thanks > > > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
In article <b%b_a.1338$XO4.23791@news.uswest.net>,
"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote: > I torque mine with a torque wrench to only about 20 ft lbs, thats snug > enough for me. 1) Top posting is bad. 2) Yeah, it's good enough for *you*, but did *you* engineer the oil pan and bolt and washer? In other words, what does the *service* manual say? |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
In article <b%b_a.1338$XO4.23791@news.uswest.net>,
"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote: > I torque mine with a torque wrench to only about 20 ft lbs, thats snug > enough for me. 1) Top posting is bad. 2) Yeah, it's good enough for *you*, but did *you* engineer the oil pan and bolt and washer? In other words, what does the *service* manual say? |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
yes
On 8/12/03 4:00 PM, in article bhbkgd$g4$1@usc.edu, "Trojan" <klutulu@softhome.net> wrote: > I am new to cars and Dont know how to measure the torque applied to the > Plug. Is there any device to measure that. > > TIA > > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message > news:b%b_a.1338$XO4.23791@news.uswest.net... >> I torque mine with a torque wrench to only about 20 ft lbs, thats snug >> enough for me. >> "JR" <jreld@softhome.net> wrote in message >> news:fhXZa.3211$Ea.478@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com... >>> What is the proper torque for the oil pan drain plug on a '93 Civic? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
yes
On 8/12/03 4:00 PM, in article bhbkgd$g4$1@usc.edu, "Trojan" <klutulu@softhome.net> wrote: > I am new to cars and Dont know how to measure the torque applied to the > Plug. Is there any device to measure that. > > TIA > > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message > news:b%b_a.1338$XO4.23791@news.uswest.net... >> I torque mine with a torque wrench to only about 20 ft lbs, thats snug >> enough for me. >> "JR" <jreld@softhome.net> wrote in message >> news:fhXZa.3211$Ea.478@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com... >>> What is the proper torque for the oil pan drain plug on a '93 Civic? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
Plonk
> > 1) Top posting is bad. > > 2) Yeah, it's good enough for *you*, but did *you* engineer the oil pan > and bolt and washer? In other words, what does the *service* manual say? > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
Plonk
> > 1) Top posting is bad. > > 2) Yeah, it's good enough for *you*, but did *you* engineer the oil pan > and bolt and washer? In other words, what does the *service* manual say? > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
The service manuals recommends a torque spec, do you think that when you
have the oil changed at a speedy lube they torque the plug, your lucky they don't strip or cross thread it. Hey at lease I use a torque wrench, thats better than tightening it and guessing. Its not rocket science. Tom. "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message news:xuc_a.1720$8v4.562@fe10.atl2.webusenet.com... > In article <b%b_a.1338$XO4.23791@news.uswest.net>, > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote: > > > I torque mine with a torque wrench to only about 20 ft lbs, thats snug > > enough for me. > > 1) Top posting is bad. > > 2) Yeah, it's good enough for *you*, but did *you* engineer the oil pan > and bolt and washer? In other words, what does the *service* manual say? > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
The service manuals recommends a torque spec, do you think that when you
have the oil changed at a speedy lube they torque the plug, your lucky they don't strip or cross thread it. Hey at lease I use a torque wrench, thats better than tightening it and guessing. Its not rocket science. Tom. "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message news:xuc_a.1720$8v4.562@fe10.atl2.webusenet.com... > In article <b%b_a.1338$XO4.23791@news.uswest.net>, > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote: > > > I torque mine with a torque wrench to only about 20 ft lbs, thats snug > > enough for me. > > 1) Top posting is bad. > > 2) Yeah, it's good enough for *you*, but did *you* engineer the oil pan > and bolt and washer? In other words, what does the *service* manual say? > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
Trojan wrote:
> I am new to cars and Dont know how to measure the torque applied to the > Plug. Is there any device to measure that. Torque wrenches do exactly that. I don't know if they've changed over the years because I'm still using the Snap-On wrench I got back in the 70's. The models that give a click & give just a little are better, i.e., more accurate, than the ones with pointers. |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
Trojan wrote:
> I am new to cars and Dont know how to measure the torque applied to the > Plug. Is there any device to measure that. Torque wrenches do exactly that. I don't know if they've changed over the years because I'm still using the Snap-On wrench I got back in the 70's. The models that give a click & give just a little are better, i.e., more accurate, than the ones with pointers. |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message news:kHh_a.2023$XO4.40163@news.uswest.net... > The service manuals recommends a torque spec, do you think that when you > have the oil changed at a speedy lube they torque the plug, your lucky > they don't strip or cross thread it. That's true at some shops, that's why I do it myself! > Hey at lease I use a torque wrench, thats better than tightening it and > guessing. I'm very interested that you own and use a torque wrench, but don't go by the specs. For some reason, that really intrigues me. > Its not rocket science. No, it's not, but it is designed by engineers, and they didn't pull 33 lb/ft out of a hat. the 20lb/ft you use may be sufficient, but it is only about 60% of the recommended spec, and that's a little risky IMHO. |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message news:kHh_a.2023$XO4.40163@news.uswest.net... > The service manuals recommends a torque spec, do you think that when you > have the oil changed at a speedy lube they torque the plug, your lucky > they don't strip or cross thread it. That's true at some shops, that's why I do it myself! > Hey at lease I use a torque wrench, thats better than tightening it and > guessing. I'm very interested that you own and use a torque wrench, but don't go by the specs. For some reason, that really intrigues me. > Its not rocket science. No, it's not, but it is designed by engineers, and they didn't pull 33 lb/ft out of a hat. the 20lb/ft you use may be sufficient, but it is only about 60% of the recommended spec, and that's a little risky IMHO. |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
> No, it's not, but it is designed by engineers
Being an engineer myself, that puts a smile on my face... I mean, it's not because it was decided by an engineer that it has necessarily been calculated... "So what do we put?...eh...I don't know...start with 20....dripping...torque some more...good, now add some more just in case..." : ) |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
> No, it's not, but it is designed by engineers
Being an engineer myself, that puts a smile on my face... I mean, it's not because it was decided by an engineer that it has necessarily been calculated... "So what do we put?...eh...I don't know...start with 20....dripping...torque some more...good, now add some more just in case..." : ) |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:24:50 -0800, bkapaun@coldmail.com (Bill Kapaun)
wrote: >In article <bhbkgd$g4$1@usc.edu>, "Trojan" <klutulu@softhome.net> wrote: > >> I am new to cars and Dont know how to measure the torque applied to the >> Plug. Is there any device to measure that. >> >> TIA >> >"I torque mine with a torque wrench..." > >USE A NEW CRUSH WASHER! It's my feeling that many drain plugs are stripped >because they used an old washer and then overtightened the plug in an >attempt to stop it from dripping. You can get them (3-4/$, depending on >the day of the week) from the dealer. Mine were $0.60 from Eskridge Honda in OKC. Nate |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:24:50 -0800, bkapaun@coldmail.com (Bill Kapaun)
wrote: >In article <bhbkgd$g4$1@usc.edu>, "Trojan" <klutulu@softhome.net> wrote: > >> I am new to cars and Dont know how to measure the torque applied to the >> Plug. Is there any device to measure that. >> >> TIA >> >"I torque mine with a torque wrench..." > >USE A NEW CRUSH WASHER! It's my feeling that many drain plugs are stripped >because they used an old washer and then overtightened the plug in an >attempt to stop it from dripping. You can get them (3-4/$, depending on >the day of the week) from the dealer. Mine were $0.60 from Eskridge Honda in OKC. Nate |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
33 lbs, of torque on a 1/2 inch drive torque wrench feels like over kill to
me.Yes I could use a 3/8's wrench I do have one. I have never had a plug vibrate out, or loosen. I owned a vehicle with a aluminum oil pan that I think at the time called for 28lb of torque I was always afraid of pulling the threads from the pan. I only torqued it to 20lbs. When I drain the oil on that, and my present vehicle I used a boxed wrench approximately 10 inches long to remove the plug and it take a good bump of the hand to loosen the plug. Tom "Peter Doherty" <peter@acranox.org> wrote in message news:4ls_a.94473$It4.46436@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.n et... > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message > news:kHh_a.2023$XO4.40163@news.uswest.net... > > The service manuals recommends a torque spec, do you think that when you > > have the oil changed at a speedy lube they torque the plug, your > lucky > > they don't strip or cross thread it. > > That's true at some shops, that's why I do it myself! > > > Hey at lease I use a torque wrench, thats better than tightening it and > > guessing. > > I'm very interested that you own and use a torque wrench, but don't go by > the specs. For some reason, that really intrigues me. > > > Its not rocket science. > > No, it's not, but it is designed by engineers, and they didn't pull 33 lb/ft > out of a hat. the 20lb/ft you use may be sufficient, but it is only about > 60% of the recommended spec, and that's a little risky IMHO. > > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
33 lbs, of torque on a 1/2 inch drive torque wrench feels like over kill to
me.Yes I could use a 3/8's wrench I do have one. I have never had a plug vibrate out, or loosen. I owned a vehicle with a aluminum oil pan that I think at the time called for 28lb of torque I was always afraid of pulling the threads from the pan. I only torqued it to 20lbs. When I drain the oil on that, and my present vehicle I used a boxed wrench approximately 10 inches long to remove the plug and it take a good bump of the hand to loosen the plug. Tom "Peter Doherty" <peter@acranox.org> wrote in message news:4ls_a.94473$It4.46436@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.n et... > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message > news:kHh_a.2023$XO4.40163@news.uswest.net... > > The service manuals recommends a torque spec, do you think that when you > > have the oil changed at a speedy lube they torque the plug, your > lucky > > they don't strip or cross thread it. > > That's true at some shops, that's why I do it myself! > > > Hey at lease I use a torque wrench, thats better than tightening it and > > guessing. > > I'm very interested that you own and use a torque wrench, but don't go by > the specs. For some reason, that really intrigues me. > > > Its not rocket science. > > No, it's not, but it is designed by engineers, and they didn't pull 33 lb/ft > out of a hat. the 20lb/ft you use may be sufficient, but it is only about > 60% of the recommended spec, and that's a little risky IMHO. > > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
In article <uRA_a.708$o55.41423@news.uswest.net>,
tflfb <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote: > 33 lbs, of torque on a 1/2 inch drive torque wrench feels like over kill to > me.Yes I could use a 3/8's wrench I do have one. 33 ft-lb of torque is 33 ft-lb of torque no matter how big your wrench is. (This might make more sense if you used the right units, instead of "lb".) |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
In article <uRA_a.708$o55.41423@news.uswest.net>,
tflfb <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote: > 33 lbs, of torque on a 1/2 inch drive torque wrench feels like over kill to > me.Yes I could use a 3/8's wrench I do have one. 33 ft-lb of torque is 33 ft-lb of torque no matter how big your wrench is. (This might make more sense if you used the right units, instead of "lb".) |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
> 33 ft-lb of torque is 33 ft-lb of torque no matter how big your wrench
> is. (This might make more sense if you used the right units, instead of > "lb".) I have both 3/8" and 1/2" drive torque wrenches and have tightened oil drain bolts with both. It's easier with the 1/2" since you have a little more torque (longer handle) but it will still "click" when you're at 33 ft. lbs. BTW, I have used this setting for my drain bolts on my '86 Integra (10 years), '96 Accord (5 years), and currently on my '01 GSR (2 years) and '91 NSX (6 years). I never had a problem with stripped bolts. My '86 Integra with 151K miles had the original drain bolt and oil pan with absolutely no damage. You can't overtighten a bolt that is torqued to factory specifications. 20 ft. lbs. is insufficient in my book but hey, it's your car. I also torque the oil filter to 16 ft. lbs. as specified by the manual. Never a problem of it coming loose. I'm a true believer of the torque wrench and use it on all my cars ALL the time. I never go by "feel." I just like to be precise and have the piece of mind knowing it was done perfectly. Paul |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
> 33 ft-lb of torque is 33 ft-lb of torque no matter how big your wrench
> is. (This might make more sense if you used the right units, instead of > "lb".) I have both 3/8" and 1/2" drive torque wrenches and have tightened oil drain bolts with both. It's easier with the 1/2" since you have a little more torque (longer handle) but it will still "click" when you're at 33 ft. lbs. BTW, I have used this setting for my drain bolts on my '86 Integra (10 years), '96 Accord (5 years), and currently on my '01 GSR (2 years) and '91 NSX (6 years). I never had a problem with stripped bolts. My '86 Integra with 151K miles had the original drain bolt and oil pan with absolutely no damage. You can't overtighten a bolt that is torqued to factory specifications. 20 ft. lbs. is insufficient in my book but hey, it's your car. I also torque the oil filter to 16 ft. lbs. as specified by the manual. Never a problem of it coming loose. I'm a true believer of the torque wrench and use it on all my cars ALL the time. I never go by "feel." I just like to be precise and have the piece of mind knowing it was done perfectly. Paul |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
Thanks for the feedback guys, DTT is right I had tightened the plug with a
simple wrench and it is difficult to do so when u are under the car. "DTT" <dtmstran@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:697a20b8.0308122242.763160c8@posting.google.c om... > It's called torque wrench. A lot is sold in eBay. Proto/Craftsman are > cheap and decent. a 3/8" wrench is probably good enough. > > Actually, most people just snug it tight. You can't generate much > torque while lying underneath the car anyway. > > Welcome to the "man" club. > > > > "Trojan" <klutulu@softhome.net> wrote in message news:<bhbkgd$g4$1@usc.edu>... > > I am new to cars and Dont know how to measure the torque applied to the > > Plug. Is there any device to measure that. > > > > TIA > > > > > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message > > news:b%b_a.1338$XO4.23791@news.uswest.net... > > > I torque mine with a torque wrench to only about 20 ft lbs, thats snug > > > enough for me. > > > "JR" <jreld@softhome.net> wrote in message > > > news:fhXZa.3211$Ea.478@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com... > > > > What is the proper torque for the oil pan drain plug on a '93 Civic? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Oil Drain Plug Torque
Thanks for the feedback guys, DTT is right I had tightened the plug with a
simple wrench and it is difficult to do so when u are under the car. "DTT" <dtmstran@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:697a20b8.0308122242.763160c8@posting.google.c om... > It's called torque wrench. A lot is sold in eBay. Proto/Craftsman are > cheap and decent. a 3/8" wrench is probably good enough. > > Actually, most people just snug it tight. You can't generate much > torque while lying underneath the car anyway. > > Welcome to the "man" club. > > > > "Trojan" <klutulu@softhome.net> wrote in message news:<bhbkgd$g4$1@usc.edu>... > > I am new to cars and Dont know how to measure the torque applied to the > > Plug. Is there any device to measure that. > > > > TIA > > > > > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message > > news:b%b_a.1338$XO4.23791@news.uswest.net... > > > I torque mine with a torque wrench to only about 20 ft lbs, thats snug > > > enough for me. > > > "JR" <jreld@softhome.net> wrote in message > > > news:fhXZa.3211$Ea.478@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com... > > > > What is the proper torque for the oil pan drain plug on a '93 Civic? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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