Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

You need to find out what you are "losing" when the cars will not start.
It's possible that one car has a defective new main relay, and that the
other car has a bad coil. Or whatever. When they don't start, check for
spark and fuel... that will start narrowing it down as to where you should
look for the problem.

<anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
news:fhrvivcr27t9r5sdg4c37jtsfhsl2o69qj@4ax.com...
> OK I have starting problems with BOTH my accords.
>
> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
>
> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen in
> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have NEW
> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about half
> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
> thought Hondas did not break down like this.
>

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:30:43 -0500, "Jafir Elkurd"
I have changed the relay, spark plugs and spark plug wires in BOTH the
cars so relay is not the problem

<jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote:

>You need to find out what you are "losing" when the cars will not start.
>It's possible that one car has a defective new main relay, and that the
>other car has a bad coil. Or whatever. When they don't start, check for
>spark and fuel... that will start narrowing it down as to where you should
>look for the problem.
>
><anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
>news:fhrvivcr27t9r5sdg4c37jtsfhsl2o69qj@4ax.com.. .
>> OK I have starting problems with BOTH my accords.
>>
>> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
>> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
>>
>> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen in
>> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
>> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have NEW
>> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about half
>> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
>> thought Hondas did not break down like this.
>>
>

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:30:43 -0500, "Jafir Elkurd"
I have changed the relay, spark plugs and spark plug wires in BOTH the
cars so relay is not the problem

<jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote:

>You need to find out what you are "losing" when the cars will not start.
>It's possible that one car has a defective new main relay, and that the
>other car has a bad coil. Or whatever. When they don't start, check for
>spark and fuel... that will start narrowing it down as to where you should
>look for the problem.
>
><anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
>news:fhrvivcr27t9r5sdg4c37jtsfhsl2o69qj@4ax.com.. .
>> OK I have starting problems with BOTH my accords.
>>
>> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
>> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
>>
>> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen in
>> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
>> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have NEW
>> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about half
>> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
>> thought Hondas did not break down like this.
>>
>

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

You aren't reading. Try it some time. A NEW relay can be defective... any
NEW part can be. You still need to find out what you don't have when your
car will not start. Throwing parts at it is not a good plan for
troubleshooting.

<anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
news:bh87jvc9711gp2gfkoj718llekup4iju6n@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:30:43 -0500, "Jafir Elkurd"
> I have changed the relay, spark plugs and spark plug wires in BOTH the
> cars so relay is not the problem
>
> <jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> >You need to find out what you are "losing" when the cars will not start.
> >It's possible that one car has a defective new main relay, and that the
> >other car has a bad coil. Or whatever. When they don't start, check for
> >spark and fuel... that will start narrowing it down as to where you
should
> >look for the problem.
> >
> ><anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
> >news:fhrvivcr27t9r5sdg4c37jtsfhsl2o69qj@4ax.com.. .
> >> OK I have starting problems with BOTH my accords.
> >>
> >> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
> >> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
> >>
> >> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen in
> >> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
> >> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have NEW
> >> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about half
> >> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
> >> thought Hondas did not break down like this.
> >>
> >
>

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

You aren't reading. Try it some time. A NEW relay can be defective... any
NEW part can be. You still need to find out what you don't have when your
car will not start. Throwing parts at it is not a good plan for
troubleshooting.

<anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
news:bh87jvc9711gp2gfkoj718llekup4iju6n@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:30:43 -0500, "Jafir Elkurd"
> I have changed the relay, spark plugs and spark plug wires in BOTH the
> cars so relay is not the problem
>
> <jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> >You need to find out what you are "losing" when the cars will not start.
> >It's possible that one car has a defective new main relay, and that the
> >other car has a bad coil. Or whatever. When they don't start, check for
> >spark and fuel... that will start narrowing it down as to where you
should
> >look for the problem.
> >
> ><anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
> >news:fhrvivcr27t9r5sdg4c37jtsfhsl2o69qj@4ax.com.. .
> >> OK I have starting problems with BOTH my accords.
> >>
> >> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
> >> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
> >>
> >> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen in
> >> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
> >> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have NEW
> >> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about half
> >> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
> >> thought Hondas did not break down like this.
> >>
> >
>

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

"Jafir Elkurd" <jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote in
news:vj87gu4tiil4c5@corp.supernews.com:

> You aren't reading. Try it some time. A NEW relay can be
> defective... any NEW part can be. You still need to find out what you
> don't have when your car will not start. Throwing parts at it is not
> a good plan for troubleshooting.
>

Yes,there can be bad batches of parts.Soldering the original main relay
eliminates it as a problem,and saves you $50.

http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm

There's also 'igniter' info.



--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
remove null to contact me

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

"Jafir Elkurd" <jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote in
news:vj87gu4tiil4c5@corp.supernews.com:

> You aren't reading. Try it some time. A NEW relay can be
> defective... any NEW part can be. You still need to find out what you
> don't have when your car will not start. Throwing parts at it is not
> a good plan for troubleshooting.
>

Yes,there can be bad batches of parts.Soldering the original main relay
eliminates it as a problem,and saves you $50.

http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm

There's also 'igniter' info.



--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
remove null to contact me

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:03:22 -0500, "Jafir Elkurd"
Yes I am They are TWO new relays bought at TWO different stores and
they are TWO different brands. I calculated the possibility of them
both being defective and came up with the conclusion that I was not
that lucky for it to happen to me that both would be defective but I
hear you.

<jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote:

>You aren't reading. Try it some time. A NEW relay can be defective... any
>NEW part can be. You still need to find out what you don't have when your
>car will not start. Throwing parts at it is not a good plan for
>troubleshooting.
>
><anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
>news:bh87jvc9711gp2gfkoj718llekup4iju6n@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:30:43 -0500, "Jafir Elkurd"
>> I have changed the relay, spark plugs and spark plug wires in BOTH the
>> cars so relay is not the problem
>>
>> <jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You need to find out what you are "losing" when the cars will not start.
>> >It's possible that one car has a defective new main relay, and that the
>> >other car has a bad coil. Or whatever. When they don't start, check for
>> >spark and fuel... that will start narrowing it down as to where you
>should
>> >look for the problem.
>> >
>> ><anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
>> >news:fhrvivcr27t9r5sdg4c37jtsfhsl2o69qj@4ax.com.. .
>> >> OK I have starting problems with BOTH my accords.
>> >>
>> >> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
>> >> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
>> >>
>> >> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen in
>> >> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
>> >> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have NEW
>> >> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about half
>> >> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
>> >> thought Hondas did not break down like this.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:03:22 -0500, "Jafir Elkurd"
Yes I am They are TWO new relays bought at TWO different stores and
they are TWO different brands. I calculated the possibility of them
both being defective and came up with the conclusion that I was not
that lucky for it to happen to me that both would be defective but I
hear you.

<jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote:

>You aren't reading. Try it some time. A NEW relay can be defective... any
>NEW part can be. You still need to find out what you don't have when your
>car will not start. Throwing parts at it is not a good plan for
>troubleshooting.
>
><anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
>news:bh87jvc9711gp2gfkoj718llekup4iju6n@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:30:43 -0500, "Jafir Elkurd"
>> I have changed the relay, spark plugs and spark plug wires in BOTH the
>> cars so relay is not the problem
>>
>> <jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You need to find out what you are "losing" when the cars will not start.
>> >It's possible that one car has a defective new main relay, and that the
>> >other car has a bad coil. Or whatever. When they don't start, check for
>> >spark and fuel... that will start narrowing it down as to where you
>should
>> >look for the problem.
>> >
>> ><anon-13526571@craigslist.org> wrote in message
>> >news:fhrvivcr27t9r5sdg4c37jtsfhsl2o69qj@4ax.com.. .
>> >> OK I have starting problems with BOTH my accords.
>> >>
>> >> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
>> >> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
>> >>
>> >> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen in
>> >> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
>> >> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have NEW
>> >> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about half
>> >> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
>> >> thought Hondas did not break down like this.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

>>> >> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
>>> >> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
>>> >>
>>> >> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen in
>>> >> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
>>> >> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have NEW
>>> >> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about half
>>> >> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
>>> >> thought Hondas did not break down like this.

let's assume the relays are good - can you hear the relay
working? Actually pressursizing the fuel system? The sound
is very faint, a soft zzzzzzzzzz-click.

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

>>> >> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
>>> >> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
>>> >>
>>> >> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen in
>>> >> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
>>> >> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have NEW
>>> >> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about half
>>> >> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
>>> >> thought Hondas did not break down like this.

let's assume the relays are good - can you hear the relay
working? Actually pressursizing the fuel system? The sound
is very faint, a soft zzzzzzzzzz-click.

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

"Uncle Mike" <me@homeoffice.com> wrote in message
news:EfNZa.1884$l96.222157@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
> >>> >> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
> >>> >> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen
in
> >>> >> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
> >>> >> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have
NEW
> >>> >> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about
half
> >>> >> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
> >>> >> thought Hondas did not break down like this.
>
> let's assume the relays are good - can you hear the relay
> working? Actually pressursizing the fuel system? The sound
> is very faint, a soft zzzzzzzzzz-click.

And have you checked for spark during cranking?

Re: Starting problem (DON'T say relay)
 

"Uncle Mike" <me@homeoffice.com> wrote in message
news:EfNZa.1884$l96.222157@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
> >>> >> 1st car 1991 Honda Accord Wagon (101k)
> >>> >> 2nd car 1992 Honda Accord Sedan (102k)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I am having starting problems in both the cars. This did not happen
in
> >>> >> the winter. The engine turns but it does not start. Heard about the
> >>> >> relay problem so I changed the relay in BOTH the cars. Both have
NEW
> >>> >> relays. Sometimes the cars do not start. If I leave it for about
half
> >>> >> an hour then it is fine. Any advice. This is driving me crazy. I
> >>> >> thought Hondas did not break down like this.
>
> let's assume the relays are good - can you hear the relay
> working? Actually pressursizing the fuel system? The sound
> is very faint, a soft zzzzzzzzzz-click.

And have you checked for spark during cranking?