Re: Repeatedly Running On A Low Tank?
That must be a Canadian thing, it surely was not the case in our
mega-dealerships <clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message news:7io354pu2e97vke09lv5q22v8qduo5f4lj@4ax.com... > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:26:15 -0400, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> > wrote: > >>If a repair is completed under warranty, the manufacture determines what >>reimbursement rate paid, not the dealer. >> >>If you are going to have the work done at a Toyota dealership, find one >>that >>is dueled with a domestic brand and have the work done in the domestic >>brands shop. They can still get you Toyota parts but the domestic brands >>shop rate will be a lot lower. At least 20% lower in my experience when >>I >>was buying Lexus LSs >> > > In most twinned dealerships here the labour rate depends on the car, > not the bay it is worked on. >><clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message >>news:lnr054lgq7mhhl5oo7v6kf9ec2k3jev8u7@4ax.com. .. >>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:06:37 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.GTS> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:10:32 -0400, wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmmm...you work for a Toyota dealer? We were using BG to clean the >>>>>>> sludged Camry/Sienna engines, but the BG44K I hadn't heard of until >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> was advertised on XM radio recently. Is it any good? >>>>> >>>>> Used to be Toyota service manager - for 10 years of my 25 years as an >>>>> auto >>>>> mechanic. >>>> >>>> >>>>Whereabouts? I'm on the East Coast. >>>> >>>>I thought there might have been some professionalism there. >>>> >>>>I take it you're in the Camry group. We're having a discussion in Toyota >>>>about dealerships 'double dipping' using AllData when it comes to >>>>replacing timing belts and water pumps. I've seen Toyota dealers quote >>>>~3 >>>>hours to replace the belt, and then again to replace the water pump, >>>>even >>>>though they're doing both operations at the same time! >>>> >>>>Any insight? >>>> >>> I'm in Waterloo Ontario. >>> Not on the Camry group. >>> As far as the "double dipping" it goes on all the time - at Ford >>> dealerships, Chrysler dealerships, VW dealerships, Mazda dealerships, >>> Mercedes dealerships, and even, sadly, at some Toyota dealerships. >>> >>> Never happened at mine when I was in charge. (My shop was not flat >>> rate 'till after I left) >>> >>> The time for the belt should be about 3 hours. The time for the pump >>> should be about 4 hours. The time for both should be the time for the >>> pump - or the time for the belt plus 1 hour. >>> >>> If you catch your dealer pulling a fast one, call him on it. If he >>> doesn't make it right REAL QUICK call your local media and prepare to >>> meet him in small claims court. >>> Approach the situation calmly and with your facts well prepared - in >>> other words - professionally. Helps if you can have either the >>> Alldata, Toyota, or other flat rate operation codes and numbers to >>> present. >>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >> > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
Re: Repeatedly Running On A Low Tank?
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:06:37 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.GTS>
wrote: >I take it you're in the Camry group. We're having a discussion in Toyota >about dealerships 'double dipping' using AllData when it comes to >replacing timing belts and water pumps. I've seen Toyota dealers quote ~3 >hours to replace the belt, and then again to replace the water pump, even >though they're doing both operations at the same time! I've seen this at more than one repair location, dealer or not. I once need an oil pan replaced. The front pipe had to come off to replace it as part of a 3 hour job. The pipe was old and needed replacement, no problem with that. But, the slime mechanic/owner was going to charge me for the pipe work in addition to the pan work even though the pan job already included removing and reinstalling the pipe. I went elsewhere and never went back to that shop. |
Re: Repeatedly Running On A Low Tank?
<clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message news:1m0b44t7v8dcgkbpi1bjesukks2b4bd5uh@4ax.com... > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:04:59 -0500, "Ray O" > <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > > >> >>I don't remember what I said before, but the danger in burning out >>the fuel >>pump is if you let it run dry repeatedly. Toyota electric fuel >>pumps are >>cooled and lubricated by the fuel flowing through it, not by the >>fuel around >>it. Since it is mounted on top of the tank, where it would only be >>submerged when the tank is fuel, it wouldn't make sense to have to >>rely on >>it being submerged all the time when it would only be submerged when >>the >>tank is full. Running with a low tank will not have any measurable >>effect >>on fuel pump life. > > > Moderately low is OK. Severely low is a NO-NO. > The pump must NOT be allowed to draw air. This happens when the fuel > gets down to about 3" deep on wasboard road surfaces, where the > bottom > of the tank shakes and makes the fuel spash and spray around inside > the tank. > The motors get insufficient cooling and the pump runs dry - scoring > and damaging the pump cell. I depends on what one defines as low. I regularly drive until the needle on the gauge is right over the "E" line, and I have never taken more than 15.7 gallons. The '04 accord manual calls for a fuel tank capacity of 17.12 US gallons. |
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