Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Seth wrote:
> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
>> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>
>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>
>> "Oct. 1974
>>
>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
>> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
>> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
>> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>
> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
> It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
> was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
> how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
> the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.

Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning
system which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it
evolved to allow chimes.

<http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>

As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles
and grins?

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Seth wrote:
> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
>> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>
>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>
>> "Oct. 1974
>>
>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
>> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
>> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
>> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>
> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
> It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
> was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
> how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
> the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.

Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning
system which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it
evolved to allow chimes.

<http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>

As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles
and grins?

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Seth wrote:
> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
>> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>
>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>
>> "Oct. 1974
>>
>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
>> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
>> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
>> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>
> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
> It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
> was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
> how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
> the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.

Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning
system which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it
evolved to allow chimes.

<http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>

As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles
and grins?

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Wow, I never knew all of those laws even existed. I just supposed since
my 2004 Volvo (supposedly the champion of safety) didn't have a
seatbelt chime that it wasn't required. I guess I'd better have it
looked at.

Either way, I don't think of seatbelt chimes as a bad thing, just a
little reminder. That's all I'm saying.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Wow, I never knew all of those laws even existed. I just supposed since
my 2004 Volvo (supposedly the champion of safety) didn't have a
seatbelt chime that it wasn't required. I guess I'd better have it
looked at.

Either way, I don't think of seatbelt chimes as a bad thing, just a
little reminder. That's all I'm saying.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Wow, I never knew all of those laws even existed. I just supposed since
my 2004 Volvo (supposedly the champion of safety) didn't have a
seatbelt chime that it wasn't required. I guess I'd better have it
looked at.

Either way, I don't think of seatbelt chimes as a bad thing, just a
little reminder. That's all I'm saying.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Seth wrote:
>> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and
>>> all the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>>
>>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>>
>>> "Oct. 1974
>>>
>>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit
>>> use of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder
>>> (buzzer) for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration
>>> after engine ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>>
>> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt
>> buzzer. It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound
>> for. If it was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way
>> back in 1974, how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been
>> in all cars for the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt
>> buzzer.
>
> I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
> etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
> research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.
>
> Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning system
> which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it evolved to
> allow chimes.
>
> <http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>
>
> As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
> common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
> Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
> which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
> death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
> they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles and
> grins?

All that to say, yeah, the law dating back to 1974 was NOT to mandate the
use of chimes like I said?

I didn't say there were no laws regarding seatbelt reminders. I was only
challenging the supposition that there was a 1974 law requiring that cars
have chimes.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%4cAg.1879$9T3.1036@newssvr25.news.prodigy.ne t...
> Seth wrote:
>> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and
>>> all the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>>
>>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>>
>>> "Oct. 1974
>>>
>>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit
>>> use of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder
>>> (buzzer) for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration
>>> after engine ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>>
>> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt
>> buzzer. It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound
>> for. If it was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way
>> back in 1974, how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been
>> in all cars for the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt
>> buzzer.
>
> I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
> etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
> research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.
>
> Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning system
> which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it evolved to
> allow chimes.
>
> <http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>
>
> As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
> common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
> Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
> which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
> death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
> they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles and
> grins?

All that to say, yeah, the law dating back to 1974 was NOT to mandate the
use of chimes like I said?

I didn't say there were no laws regarding seatbelt reminders. I was only
challenging the supposition that there was a 1974 law requiring that cars
have chimes.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%4cAg.1879$9T3.1036@newssvr25.news.prodigy.ne t...
> Seth wrote:
>> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and
>>> all the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>>
>>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>>
>>> "Oct. 1974
>>>
>>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit
>>> use of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder
>>> (buzzer) for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration
>>> after engine ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>>
>> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt
>> buzzer. It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound
>> for. If it was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way
>> back in 1974, how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been
>> in all cars for the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt
>> buzzer.
>
> I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
> etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
> research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.
>
> Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning system
> which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it evolved to
> allow chimes.
>
> <http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>
>
> As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
> common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
> Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
> which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
> death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
> they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles and
> grins?

All that to say, yeah, the law dating back to 1974 was NOT to mandate the
use of chimes like I said?

I didn't say there were no laws regarding seatbelt reminders. I was only
challenging the supposition that there was a 1974 law requiring that cars
have chimes.