Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

Hello all,

I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about six
months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a spin
once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10 min?)
ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the battery
survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm thinking that
running it (once a month?) will keep things charged enough, or is that
wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will check the tire inflation
prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.


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Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

Dan C wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about six
> months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a spin
> once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10 min?)
> ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the battery
> survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm thinking that
> running it (once a month?) will keep things charged enough, or is that
> wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will check the tire inflation
> prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.
>
>


Depends on the battery and ignition off current draw.

Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

Thus spake Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> :

>Hello all,
>
>I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about six
>months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a spin
>once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10 min?)
>ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the battery
>survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm thinking that
>running it (once a month?) will keep things charged enough, or is that
>wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will check the tire inflation
>prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.

That probably won't make up for the "cost" of startup and the slow
drain. A smart charge MIGHT work, but my bet is that you'll need a
new battery. If not immediately, within 6-8 months.
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Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:27:11 -0500, News wrote:

>> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about six
>> months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a spin
>> once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10 min?)
>> ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the battery
>> survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm thinking that
>> running it (once a month?) will keep things charged enough, or is that
>> wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will check the tire inflation
>> prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.

> Depends on the battery and ignition off current draw.

Oh, well that's very helpful.

The battery is a year and a half old (like I said, it's a 2007). What is
drawing current when it's off? Could you be a little more specific, and
actually try to answer the question?


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Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:59:01 -0600, Dillon Pyron wrote:

>>I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about six
>>months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a spin
>>once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10 min?)
>>ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the battery
>>survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm thinking that
>>running it (once a month?) will keep things charged enough, or is that
>>wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will check the tire inflation
>>prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.

> That probably won't make up for the "cost" of startup and the slow
> drain. A smart charge MIGHT work, but my bet is that you'll need a new
> battery. If not immediately, within 6-8 months. --

OK, that sounds pretty reasonable. Thanks for the reply.


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Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.01.13.00.40.04@moria.lan...
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:27:11 -0500, News wrote:
>
>>> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about six
>>> months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a spin
>>> once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10 min?)
>>> ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the battery
>>> survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm thinking that
>>> running it (once a month?) will keep things charged enough, or is that
>>> wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will check the tire inflation
>>> prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.
>
>> Depends on the battery and ignition off current draw.
>
> Oh, well that's very helpful.
>
> The battery is a year and a half old (like I said, it's a 2007). What is
> drawing current when it's off? Could you be a little more specific, and
> actually try to answer the question?
>

The security system is usually the big draw, usually a few tens of
milliamps. Keep-alive on the radio is normally very low. The security
system - assuming it has one - will kill the battery in a few weeks to a
couple months.

In the Toyota Prius the problem is compounded by the undersized 12 volt
battery. In the Yahoo! Prius forum, battery minders are widely recommended
and seem to work just fine.

Mike

Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

Dan C wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:27:11 -0500, News wrote:
>
>>> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about six
>>> months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a spin
>>> once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10 min?)
>>> ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the battery
>>> survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm thinking that
>>> running it (once a month?) will keep things charged enough, or is that
>>> wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will check the tire inflation
>>> prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.
>
>> Depends on the battery and ignition off current draw.
>
> Oh, well that's very helpful.
>
> The battery is a year and a half old (like I said, it's a 2007). What is
> drawing current when it's off? Could you be a little more specific, and
> actually try to answer the question?


Sure. You listening?

"Ignition Off Current Draw" (IOCD) or "Ignition Off Draw" (IOD) is the
current drawn by all systems and accessories requiring +12V battery
power with ignition off.

For example, the typical modern car's security system, clock, stereo,
engine management computer all draw current with ignition off. Up to
120 milliamps total, depending on accessories, is typical.

Let's say your almost new type 35 battery has a nominal 45 Ah rating.
That means it will provide 45 Amps for one hour, 1 Amp for 45 hours, or
0.12 Amp (120 milliamps) for 375 hours, or combinations thereof.

So you may expect your almost new battery to provide 375 hours
(approximately 16 days) of standby power without auxiliary charging.

The takeaways here for a six month pickling are:

1./ you'll need a charger, unless you
2./ install a kill switch that eliminates the IOCD, and if you do,
3./ make sure you have the security code for your factory radio, or
4./ it will become a brick, once the power is removed.

Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:32:41 -0500, News wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:27:11 -0500, News wrote:
>>
>>>> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about
>>>> six months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a
>>>> spin once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10
>>>> min?) ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the
>>>> battery survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm
>>>> thinking that running it (once a month?) will keep things charged
>>>> enough, or is that wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will
>>>> check the tire inflation prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.
>>
>>> Depends on the battery and ignition off current draw.
>>
>> Oh, well that's very helpful.
>>
>> The battery is a year and a half old (like I said, it's a 2007). What
>> is drawing current when it's off? Could you be a little more specific,
>> and actually try to answer the question?
>
>
> Sure. You listening?
>
> "Ignition Off Current Draw" (IOCD) or "Ignition Off Draw" (IOD) is the
> current drawn by all systems and accessories requiring +12V battery
> power with ignition off.
>
> For example, the typical modern car's security system, clock, stereo,
> engine management computer all draw current with ignition off. Up to
> 120 milliamps total, depending on accessories, is typical.
>
> Let's say your almost new type 35 battery has a nominal 45 Ah rating.
> That means it will provide 45 Amps for one hour, 1 Amp for 45 hours, or
> 0.12 Amp (120 milliamps) for 375 hours, or combinations thereof.
>
> So you may expect your almost new battery to provide 375 hours
> (approximately 16 days) of standby power without auxiliary charging.
>
> The takeaways here for a six month pickling are:
>
> 1./ you'll need a charger, unless you 2./ install a kill switch that
> eliminates the IOCD, and if you do, 3./ make sure you have the security
> code for your factory radio, or 4./ it will become a brick, once the
> power is removed.

OK, much better. I appreciate that info. Now, assuming I have the radio
code (I do), would it help the battery if I simply disconnected it in
between the monthly short drives? If I did that, once the vehicle is
returned to regular driving, and the battery gets a good charging from
that, could I expect the battery to be none-the-worse for the experience?


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Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

Dan C wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:32:41 -0500, News wrote:
>
>> Dan C wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:27:11 -0500, News wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about
>>>>> six months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a
>>>>> spin once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10
>>>>> min?) ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the
>>>>> battery survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm
>>>>> thinking that running it (once a month?) will keep things charged
>>>>> enough, or is that wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will
>>>>> check the tire inflation prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.
>>>
>>>> Depends on the battery and ignition off current draw.
>>> Oh, well that's very helpful.
>>>
>>> The battery is a year and a half old (like I said, it's a 2007). What
>>> is drawing current when it's off? Could you be a little more specific,
>>> and actually try to answer the question?
>>
>> Sure. You listening?
>>
>> "Ignition Off Current Draw" (IOCD) or "Ignition Off Draw" (IOD) is the
>> current drawn by all systems and accessories requiring +12V battery
>> power with ignition off.
>>
>> For example, the typical modern car's security system, clock, stereo,
>> engine management computer all draw current with ignition off. Up to
>> 120 milliamps total, depending on accessories, is typical.
>>
>> Let's say your almost new type 35 battery has a nominal 45 Ah rating.
>> That means it will provide 45 Amps for one hour, 1 Amp for 45 hours, or
>> 0.12 Amp (120 milliamps) for 375 hours, or combinations thereof.
>>
>> So you may expect your almost new battery to provide 375 hours
>> (approximately 16 days) of standby power without auxiliary charging.
>>
>> The takeaways here for a six month pickling are:
>>
>> 1./ you'll need a charger, unless you 2./ install a kill switch that
>> eliminates the IOCD, and if you do, 3./ make sure you have the security
>> code for your factory radio, or 4./ it will become a brick, once the
>> power is removed.
>
> OK, much better. I appreciate that info. Now, assuming I have the radio
> code (I do), would it help the battery if I simply disconnected it in
> between the monthly short drives? If I did that, once the vehicle is
> returned to regular driving, and the battery gets a good charging from
> that, could I expect the battery to be none-the-worse for the experience?

Yes, using a kill switch, that's been my experience following the annual
November-March picking of my sportscar, for the past 20+ years.

Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

"Michael Pardee" <null@null.org> wrote in
news:OOednW3t4rxKdfbUnZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@sedona.net:

>
> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.01.13.00.40.04@moria.lan...
>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:27:11 -0500, News wrote:
>>
>>>> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about
>>>> six months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for
>>>> a spin once in a while during this time period,

What is "once in a while"? every week,2 weeks,each month?
if you're storing it for 6 months,put the car up on stands and take the
weight off the tires. Tires are much more expensive than a new battery.



>>>> but just a brief
>>>> (10 min?) ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping
>>>> the battery survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not?
>>>> I'm thinking that running it (once a month?) will keep things
>>>> charged enough, or is that wrong? Anything else to worry about? I
>>>> will check the tire inflation prior to the monthly ride. Thanks
>>>> for info.
>>
>>> Depends on the battery and ignition off current draw.
>>
>> Oh, well that's very helpful.
>>
>> The battery is a year and a half old (like I said, it's a 2007).
>> What is drawing current when it's off? Could you be a little more
>> specific, and actually try to answer the question?

clock,radio,ECU.
>>
>
> The security system is usually the big draw, usually a few tens of
> milliamps. Keep-alive on the radio is normally very low. The security
> system - assuming it has one - will kill the battery in a few weeks to
> a couple months.

pull the fuse for the security system.
Heck,for 6 months,disconnect the battery,put it on a float charger.


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at
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Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:20:27 +0000, Dan C wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about six
> months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a spin
> once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10 min?)
> ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the battery
> survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm thinking that
> running it (once a month?) will keep things charged enough, or is that
> wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will check the tire inflation
> prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.

following your usual advice, we should all respond along the lines of "get
rid of that junk, buy a new car".

but seriously, you have two options on the battery:

1. disconnect. but that's not so good - they still discharge, albeit
slower.
2. run a smart charger on it. that'll keep it perfect. make sure the
hood stays open though so any battery vapor dissipates.

running a car for 10 mins once a month is worse than just leaving it.
motors don't reach full working temp for about 20 mins. if you're going
to start it infrequently, run it until it's good and hot to burn out all
the acids, condensation, gunky fuel, etc.

Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:00:28 +0000, jim beam wrote:

>> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about six
>> months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a spin
>> once in a while during this time period, but just a brief (10 min?)
>> ride. Wondering what the recommendations are for helping the battery
>> survive this... Should it be disconnected, or not? I'm thinking that
>> running it (once a month?) will keep things charged enough, or is that
>> wrong? Anything else to worry about? I will check the tire inflation
>> prior to the monthly ride. Thanks for info.

> following your usual advice, we should all respond along the lines of
> "get rid of that junk, buy a new car".

Heh. That only goes for 15+ year old cars.

> but seriously, you have two options on the battery:
>
> 1. disconnect. but that's not so good - they still discharge, albeit
> slower.
> 2. run a smart charger on it. that'll keep it perfect. make sure the
> hood stays open though so any battery vapor dissipates.

OK, I will probably just disconnect it. Don't have a charger and don't
want to buy one. Also don't want to leave the hood open.

> running a car for 10 mins once a month is worse than just leaving it.
> motors don't reach full working temp for about 20 mins. if you're going
> to start it infrequently, run it until it's good and hot to burn out all
> the acids, condensation, gunky fuel, etc.

OK, I'll run it 20-30 minutes then. Thanks.


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Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:41:25 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:

>>>>> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about
>>>>> six months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a
>>>>> spin once in a while during this time period,

> What is "once in a while"? every week,2 weeks,each month? if you're
> storing it for 6 months,put the car up on stands and take the weight off
> the tires. Tires are much more expensive than a new battery.

Probably every 3-4 weeks. Don't have any stands, and it could use a new
set of tires anyway, so not going to worry about that aspect.

> pull the fuse for the security system. Heck,for 6 months,disconnect the
> battery,put it on a float charger.

Yeah, I'm gonna disconnect it, and jump start if needed for the
occasional drives. If it needs a new battery at the end, that's what
I'll do. Thanks.


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Re: Semi-long-term storage (battery)
 

Dan C wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:41:25 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>>>>>> I've got a 2007 Accord EX that I'm not going to be using for about
>>>>>> six months. It's garaged, and covered. I plan to take it out for a
>>>>>> spin once in a while during this time period,
>
>> What is "once in a while"? every week,2 weeks,each month? if you're
>> storing it for 6 months,put the car up on stands and take the weight off
>> the tires. Tires are much more expensive than a new battery.
>
> Probably every 3-4 weeks. Don't have any stands, and it could use a new
> set of tires anyway, so not going to worry about that aspect.
>
>> pull the fuse for the security system. Heck,for 6 months,disconnect the
>> battery,put it on a float charger.
>
> Yeah, I'm gonna disconnect it, and jump start if needed for the
> occasional drives. If it needs a new battery at the end, that's what
> I'll do. Thanks.
>
>

Unless you have no outlet available, use a battery Tender Jr. They
are inexpensive and reliable. My '95 Civic is sitting snowbound in the
garage connected to one right now.