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:-\)Liz 04-15-2005 11:32 PM

Short Cam Honda Civic
 
Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The owner lost
his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle down
a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good? bad?..what?
Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg highway
44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz



:-\)Liz 04-17-2005 08:02 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
Still need feedback...Please!!!!!


":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The owner

lost
> his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

down
> a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good? bad?..what?
> Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg highway
> 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
>
>




:-\)Liz 04-17-2005 08:02 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
Still need feedback...Please!!!!!


":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The owner

lost
> his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

down
> a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good? bad?..what?
> Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg highway
> 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
>
>




Jason 04-17-2005 10:13 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
The engine number is the number that is stamped directly onto the engine
block--it's located on the front of the engine. Write down the number and
repost it.

In article <DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, ":-\)Liz"
<wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote:

> Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
>
>
> ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> > Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> > one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The owner

> lost
> > his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

> down
> > a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good? bad?..what?
> > Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg highway
> > 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
> >
> >


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Jason 04-17-2005 10:13 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
The engine number is the number that is stamped directly onto the engine
block--it's located on the front of the engine. Write down the number and
repost it.

In article <DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, ":-\)Liz"
<wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote:

> Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
>
>
> ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> > Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> > one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The owner

> lost
> > his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

> down
> > a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good? bad?..what?
> > Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg highway
> > 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
> >
> >


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:-\)Liz 04-17-2005 11:38 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
What does the engine # have to do with my questions? Which are...It has a
short cam in it ...is this good? bad? or what? and will it effect gas
mileage....Honda says the 2005 5 speed gets 38/city 44/highway..Is this
true?....Thanks


"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1704051913120001@pm4-broad-27.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> The engine number is the number that is stamped directly onto the engine
> block--it's located on the front of the engine. Write down the number and
> repost it.
>
> In article <DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, ":-\)Liz"
> <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
> >
> >
> > ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> > > one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The

owner
> > lost
> > > his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

> > down
> > > a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good?

bad?..what?
> > > Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg

highway
> > > 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
> > >
> > >

>
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:-\)Liz 04-17-2005 11:38 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
What does the engine # have to do with my questions? Which are...It has a
short cam in it ...is this good? bad? or what? and will it effect gas
mileage....Honda says the 2005 5 speed gets 38/city 44/highway..Is this
true?....Thanks


"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1704051913120001@pm4-broad-27.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> The engine number is the number that is stamped directly onto the engine
> block--it's located on the front of the engine. Write down the number and
> repost it.
>
> In article <DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, ":-\)Liz"
> <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
> >
> >
> > ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> > > one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The

owner
> > lost
> > > his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

> > down
> > > a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good?

bad?..what?
> > > Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg

highway
> > > 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
> > >
> > >

>
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Jason 04-18-2005 01:35 AM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 

In this case--you are right. I have a book that has the engine numbers of
lots of Honda vehicles and details about each engine. I checked the book
only after I made the post and realized that the 2005 Honda vehicles are
NOT included in the book so even the person had told me the engine
number--it would not have helped me provide info. that would solve the
problem.


In article <KYF8e.2126$xA5.1585@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> , ":-\)Liz"
<wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote:

> What does the engine # have to do with my questions? Which are...It has a
> short cam in it ...is this good? bad? or what? and will it effect gas
> mileage....Honda says the 2005 5 speed gets 38/city 44/highway..Is this
> true?....Thanks
>
>
> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-1704051913120001@pm4-broad-27.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> > The engine number is the number that is stamped directly onto the engine
> > block--it's located on the front of the engine. Write down the number and
> > repost it.
> >
> > In article <DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, ":-\)Liz"
> > <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > > Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> > > > one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The

> owner
> > > lost
> > > > his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle
> > > down
> > > > a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good?

> bad?..what?
> > > > Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg

> highway
> > > > 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
> > > >
> > > >

> >
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Jason 04-18-2005 01:35 AM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 

In this case--you are right. I have a book that has the engine numbers of
lots of Honda vehicles and details about each engine. I checked the book
only after I made the post and realized that the 2005 Honda vehicles are
NOT included in the book so even the person had told me the engine
number--it would not have helped me provide info. that would solve the
problem.


In article <KYF8e.2126$xA5.1585@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> , ":-\)Liz"
<wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote:

> What does the engine # have to do with my questions? Which are...It has a
> short cam in it ...is this good? bad? or what? and will it effect gas
> mileage....Honda says the 2005 5 speed gets 38/city 44/highway..Is this
> true?....Thanks
>
>
> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-1704051913120001@pm4-broad-27.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> > The engine number is the number that is stamped directly onto the engine
> > block--it's located on the front of the engine. Write down the number and
> > repost it.
> >
> > In article <DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, ":-\)Liz"
> > <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > > Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> > > > one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The

> owner
> > > lost
> > > > his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle
> > > down
> > > > a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good?

> bad?..what?
> > > > Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg

> highway
> > > > 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
> > > >
> > > >

> >
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Michael Pardee 04-18-2005 08:22 AM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark about
what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild" cams, but
"short"...?

Mike

":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
news:DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
>
>
> ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
>> Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
>> one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The owner

> lost
>> his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

> down
>> a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good?
>> bad?..what?
>> Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg
>> highway
>> 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
>>
>>

>
>




Michael Pardee 04-18-2005 08:22 AM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark about
what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild" cams, but
"short"...?

Mike

":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
news:DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
>
>
> ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
>> Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
>> one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The owner

> lost
>> his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

> down
>> a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good?
>> bad?..what?
>> Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg
>> highway
>> 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
>>
>>

>
>




:-\)Liz 04-18-2005 08:41 AM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as the
owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car that a short
cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner about it...as he's
off looking for another job, out of town and the wife is clueless on what it
means...The dealership is as per a dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-)
Liz


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark about
> what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild" cams, but
> "short"...?
>
> Mike
>
> ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> > Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
> >
> >
> > ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> >> Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> >> one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The owner

> > lost
> >> his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

> > down
> >> a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good?
> >> bad?..what?
> >> Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg
> >> highway
> >> 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>
>




:-\)Liz 04-18-2005 08:41 AM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as the
owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car that a short
cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner about it...as he's
off looking for another job, out of town and the wife is clueless on what it
means...The dealership is as per a dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-)
Liz


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark about
> what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild" cams, but
> "short"...?
>
> Mike
>
> ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:DOC8e.671$5t7.4@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> > Still need feedback...Please!!!!!
> >
> >
> > ":-)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:GH%7e.3069$HK6.1293@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> >> Been looking for second car...Found, I think a pretty good deal on
> >> one...it's a 2005 Honda Civic 5 speed with 1000 miles on it...The owner

> > lost
> >> his job when his company folded. He's asking $14k for it or may haggle

> > down
> >> a bit(?)...Question...It has a short cam in it...is this good?
> >> bad?..what?
> >> Will it effect gas mileage?The stats show the 2005 get city 38 mpg
> >> highway
> >> 44mpg...does this ring true? Thanks! Liz
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>
>




Jim Yanik 04-18-2005 10:37 AM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:

> That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz


Maybe a short RAM??

meaning a short,low restriction air intake,a aluminum pipe with a conical
air filter on the end,easily visible in the engine compartment.

It probably would not affect gas mileage if you do not go harder on the gas
pedal.

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at
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Jim Yanik 04-18-2005 10:37 AM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:

> That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz


Maybe a short RAM??

meaning a short,low restriction air intake,a aluminum pipe with a conical
air filter on the end,easily visible in the engine compartment.

It probably would not affect gas mileage if you do not go harder on the gas
pedal.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jason 04-18-2005 12:26 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
In article <Xns963C6C0866ED3jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>
> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> > the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> > that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> > about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> > wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> > dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz

>
> Maybe a short RAM??
>
> meaning a short,low restriction air intake,a aluminum pipe with a conical
> air filter on the end,easily visible in the engine compartment.
>
> It probably would not affect gas mileage if you do not go harder on the gas
> pedal.


If he is planning to race the car--he should at least wait until the
warranty runs out. Once he starts making major changes to the
engine--Honda won't cover any repairs under the warranty program. Could he
have been referring to BORE and STROKE? I recall reading in Honda Tuning
that many of those people that race Honda cars prefer the older Honda
engines from Preludes since the bore and stroke of the Prelude engines
were higher than the bore and stroke of many of the older Civic engines. I
know very little about this subject since I have never raced any cars.

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Jason 04-18-2005 12:26 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
In article <Xns963C6C0866ED3jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>
> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> > the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> > that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> > about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> > wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> > dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz

>
> Maybe a short RAM??
>
> meaning a short,low restriction air intake,a aluminum pipe with a conical
> air filter on the end,easily visible in the engine compartment.
>
> It probably would not affect gas mileage if you do not go harder on the gas
> pedal.


If he is planning to race the car--he should at least wait until the
warranty runs out. Once he starts making major changes to the
engine--Honda won't cover any repairs under the warranty program. Could he
have been referring to BORE and STROKE? I recall reading in Honda Tuning
that many of those people that race Honda cars prefer the older Honda
engines from Preludes since the bore and stroke of the Prelude engines
were higher than the bore and stroke of many of the older Civic engines. I
know very little about this subject since I have never raced any cars.

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TeGGer® 04-18-2005 02:39 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:

>
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
>> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark
>> about what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild"
>> cams, but "short"...?



> That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz
>




This got my curiosity up too, so I Googled a bit.


"Short cam" apparently refers to the DURATION, or TIMING of the valve
opening. A "short cam" will increase compression, a "long cam" will
decrease it.

www.google.com
type in (including the quotes):
"short cam" duration

Check out the Crane link especially.

A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause engine
damage if improperly done.


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TeGGer® 04-18-2005 02:39 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:

>
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
>> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark
>> about what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild"
>> cams, but "short"...?



> That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz
>




This got my curiosity up too, so I Googled a bit.


"Short cam" apparently refers to the DURATION, or TIMING of the valve
opening. A "short cam" will increase compression, a "long cam" will
decrease it.

www.google.com
type in (including the quotes):
"short cam" duration

Check out the Crane link especially.

A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause engine
damage if improperly done.


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Jason 04-18-2005 04:00 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
In article <Xns963C94E77A32Btegger@207.14.113.17>, "TeGGer®"
<tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>
> >
> > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> > news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
> >> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark
> >> about what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild"
> >> cams, but "short"...?

>
>
> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> > the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> > that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> > about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> > wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> > dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz
> >

>
>
>
> This got my curiosity up too, so I Googled a bit.
>
>
> "Short cam" apparently refers to the DURATION, or TIMING of the valve
> opening. A "short cam" will increase compression, a "long cam" will
> decrease it.
>
> www.google.com
> type in (including the quotes):
> "short cam" duration
>
> Check out the Crane link especially.
>
> A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause engine
> damage if improperly done.


It's very possible that he was confused and used the wrong terms. I have
done the same thing in the past when talking to Sarah so will not condem
him.

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Jason 04-18-2005 04:00 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
In article <Xns963C94E77A32Btegger@207.14.113.17>, "TeGGer®"
<tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>
> >
> > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> > news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
> >> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark
> >> about what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild"
> >> cams, but "short"...?

>
>
> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> > the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> > that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> > about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> > wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> > dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz
> >

>
>
>
> This got my curiosity up too, so I Googled a bit.
>
>
> "Short cam" apparently refers to the DURATION, or TIMING of the valve
> opening. A "short cam" will increase compression, a "long cam" will
> decrease it.
>
> www.google.com
> type in (including the quotes):
> "short cam" duration
>
> Check out the Crane link especially.
>
> A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause engine
> damage if improperly done.


It's very possible that he was confused and used the wrong terms. I have
done the same thing in the past when talking to Sarah so will not condem
him.

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:-\)Liz 04-18-2005 04:49 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
I didn't know if a "short cam" was a item that was factory offered or it was
a aftermarket personal add-on...Sounds like it's a add on...which makes me
wary!...Even though it only has 1000 miles on it and looks beautiful and is
being offered at $14k OBO ...I think I'll back away... unless I can get some
better info on who and how and why The "short cam" was done...Thanks! Guys!
:-) Liz

"TeGGer®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns963C94E77A32Btegger@207.14.113.17...
> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>
> >
> > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> > news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
> >> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark
> >> about what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild"
> >> cams, but "short"...?

>
>
> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> > the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> > that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> > about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> > wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> > dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz
> >

>
>
>
> This got my curiosity up too, so I Googled a bit.
>
>
> "Short cam" apparently refers to the DURATION, or TIMING of the valve
> opening. A "short cam" will increase compression, a "long cam" will
> decrease it.
>
> www.google.com
> type in (including the quotes):
> "short cam" duration
>
> Check out the Crane link especially.
>
> A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause

engine
> damage if improperly done.
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/




:-\)Liz 04-18-2005 04:49 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
I didn't know if a "short cam" was a item that was factory offered or it was
a aftermarket personal add-on...Sounds like it's a add on...which makes me
wary!...Even though it only has 1000 miles on it and looks beautiful and is
being offered at $14k OBO ...I think I'll back away... unless I can get some
better info on who and how and why The "short cam" was done...Thanks! Guys!
:-) Liz

"TeGGer®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns963C94E77A32Btegger@207.14.113.17...
> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>
> >
> > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> > news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
> >> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the dark
> >> about what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and "mild"
> >> cams, but "short"...?

>
>
> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume, as
> > the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type car
> > that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the owner
> > about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town and the
> > wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as per a
> > dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz
> >

>
>
>
> This got my curiosity up too, so I Googled a bit.
>
>
> "Short cam" apparently refers to the DURATION, or TIMING of the valve
> opening. A "short cam" will increase compression, a "long cam" will
> decrease it.
>
> www.google.com
> type in (including the quotes):
> "short cam" duration
>
> Check out the Crane link especially.
>
> A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause

engine
> damage if improperly done.
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/




Jim Yanik 04-18-2005 07:47 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:jason-1804050926000001@pm1-broad-68.snlo.dialup.fix.net:

> In article <Xns963C6C0866ED3jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86>, Jim Yanik
><jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:
>
>> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume,
>> > as the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type
>> > car that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the
>> > owner about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town
>> > and the wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as
>> > per a dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz

>>
>> Maybe a short RAM??
>>
>> meaning a short,low restriction air intake,a aluminum pipe with a
>> conical air filter on the end,easily visible in the engine
>> compartment.
>>
>> It probably would not affect gas mileage if you do not go harder on
>> the gas pedal.

>
> If he is planning to race the car--he should at least wait until the
> warranty runs out. Once he starts making major changes to the
> engine--Honda won't cover any repairs under the warranty program.
> Could he have been referring to BORE and STROKE? I recall reading in
> Honda Tuning that many of those people that race Honda cars prefer the
> older Honda engines from Preludes since the bore and stroke of the
> Prelude engines were higher than the bore and stroke of many of the
> older Civic engines. I know very little about this subject since I
> have never raced any cars.
>


Well, a simple look under the hood would tell if its a short ram intake.
I can't see any meaning to "short CAM",and there would not be any such
performance parts made for 2005 year cars yet,and as you said,who would put
them on a car still under warranty? Even a short ram intake would be enough
to DQ the warranty,IMO.

But short ram(intake) makes the most sense.

--
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jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik 04-18-2005 07:47 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:jason-1804050926000001@pm1-broad-68.snlo.dialup.fix.net:

> In article <Xns963C6C0866ED3jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86>, Jim Yanik
><jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:
>
>> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume,
>> > as the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type
>> > car that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the
>> > owner about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town
>> > and the wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as
>> > per a dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz

>>
>> Maybe a short RAM??
>>
>> meaning a short,low restriction air intake,a aluminum pipe with a
>> conical air filter on the end,easily visible in the engine
>> compartment.
>>
>> It probably would not affect gas mileage if you do not go harder on
>> the gas pedal.

>
> If he is planning to race the car--he should at least wait until the
> warranty runs out. Once he starts making major changes to the
> engine--Honda won't cover any repairs under the warranty program.
> Could he have been referring to BORE and STROKE? I recall reading in
> Honda Tuning that many of those people that race Honda cars prefer the
> older Honda engines from Preludes since the bore and stroke of the
> Prelude engines were higher than the bore and stroke of many of the
> older Civic engines. I know very little about this subject since I
> have never raced any cars.
>


Well, a simple look under the hood would tell if its a short ram intake.
I can't see any meaning to "short CAM",and there would not be any such
performance parts made for 2005 year cars yet,and as you said,who would put
them on a car still under warranty? Even a short ram intake would be enough
to DQ the warranty,IMO.

But short ram(intake) makes the most sense.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik 04-18-2005 07:49 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
news:43V8e.2407$xA5.882@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com :

> I didn't know if a "short cam" was a item that was factory offered or
> it was a aftermarket personal add-on...Sounds like it's a add
> on...which makes me wary!...Even though it only has 1000 miles on it
> and looks beautiful and is being offered at $14k OBO ...I think I'll
> back away... unless I can get some better info on who and how and why
> The "short cam" was done...Thanks! Guys!
>:-) Liz
>
> "TeGGer®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns963C94E77A32Btegger@207.14.113.17...
>> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>> >
>> > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
>> > news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
>> >> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the
>> >> dark about what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and
>> >> "mild" cams, but "short"...?

>>
>>
>> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume,
>> > as the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type
>> > car that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the
>> > owner about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town
>> > and the wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as
>> > per a dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz
>> >

>>
>>
>>
>> This got my curiosity up too, so I Googled a bit.
>>
>>
>> "Short cam" apparently refers to the DURATION, or TIMING of the valve
>> opening. A "short cam" will increase compression, a "long cam" will
>> decrease it.
>>
>> www.google.com
>> type in (including the quotes):
>> "short cam" duration
>>
>> Check out the Crane link especially.
>>
>> A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause

> engine
>> damage if improperly done.
>>
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

>
>
>


Try looking under the hood and see if there's a short ram air intake,an
aluminum pipe and cone air filter that goes to the intake manifold. They
generally are very noticeable,look much different than anything else under
the hood.

Then you will know whether that's what he meant.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik 04-18-2005 07:49 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
news:43V8e.2407$xA5.882@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com :

> I didn't know if a "short cam" was a item that was factory offered or
> it was a aftermarket personal add-on...Sounds like it's a add
> on...which makes me wary!...Even though it only has 1000 miles on it
> and looks beautiful and is being offered at $14k OBO ...I think I'll
> back away... unless I can get some better info on who and how and why
> The "short cam" was done...Thanks! Guys!
>:-) Liz
>
> "TeGGer®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns963C94E77A32Btegger@207.14.113.17...
>> ":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:zVN8e.49$fw2.1@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>> >
>> > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
>> > news:vuqdnScNCpoMO_7fRVn-rg@sedona.net...
>> >> I think the problem might be the that others are as much in the
>> >> dark about what a "short cam" is as I am. I know about "hot" and
>> >> "mild" cams, but "short"...?

>>
>>
>> > That's one of my questions...What is a short cam? I would assume,
>> > as the owner planned on making this car a performance or race type
>> > car that a short cam has something to do with that...Can't ask the
>> > owner about it...as he's off looking for another job, out of town
>> > and the wife is clueless on what it means...The dealership is as
>> > per a dealership...No help.... Oh, well...:-) Liz
>> >

>>
>>
>>
>> This got my curiosity up too, so I Googled a bit.
>>
>>
>> "Short cam" apparently refers to the DURATION, or TIMING of the valve
>> opening. A "short cam" will increase compression, a "long cam" will
>> decrease it.
>>
>> www.google.com
>> type in (including the quotes):
>> "short cam" duration
>>
>> Check out the Crane link especially.
>>
>> A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause

> engine
>> damage if improperly done.
>>
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

>
>
>


Try looking under the hood and see if there's a short ram air intake,an
aluminum pipe and cone air filter that goes to the intake manifold. They
generally are very noticeable,look much different than anything else under
the hood.

Then you will know whether that's what he meant.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

TeGGer® 04-18-2005 08:13 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
news:43V8e.2407$xA5.882@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com :

>>
>> A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause
>> engine damage if improperly done.
>>
>>

>
> I didn't know if a "short cam" was a item that was factory offered or
> it was a aftermarket personal add-on...Sounds like it's a add
> on...which makes me wary!...Even though it only has 1000 miles on it
> and looks beautiful and is being offered at $14k OBO ...I think I'll
> back away... unless I can get some better info on who and how and why
> The "short cam" was done...Thanks! Guys!




It's aftermarket.

If you buy the car, budget $500 or a thousand or so to fix mistakes or
mismatches in engine components, just in case fixes are needed. You don't
know the competence of the modifier, or the completeness of the
modifications.

If you're buying the car so you can have a daily driver that will run
reliably for along time without needing more than basic maintenance, this
is not the car for you.


--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGer® 04-18-2005 08:13 PM

Re: Short Cam Honda Civic..Feedback PLEASE
 
":-\)Liz" <wldwzzy@furrryahoo.com> wrote in
news:43V8e.2407$xA5.882@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com :

>>
>> A "short cam" is definitely a performance modification and can cause
>> engine damage if improperly done.
>>
>>

>
> I didn't know if a "short cam" was a item that was factory offered or
> it was a aftermarket personal add-on...Sounds like it's a add
> on...which makes me wary!...Even though it only has 1000 miles on it
> and looks beautiful and is being offered at $14k OBO ...I think I'll
> back away... unless I can get some better info on who and how and why
> The "short cam" was done...Thanks! Guys!




It's aftermarket.

If you buy the car, budget $500 or a thousand or so to fix mistakes or
mismatches in engine components, just in case fixes are needed. You don't
know the competence of the modifier, or the completeness of the
modifications.

If you're buying the car so you can have a daily driver that will run
reliably for along time without needing more than basic maintenance, this
is not the car for you.


--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/


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