Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-80C7FC.08424409012009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
> In article <E-ednQQbe57Q2vrUnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@sedona.net>,
> "Michael Pardee" <null@null.org> wrote:
>
>> Lori Piestewa was just a soldier who died in an ambush.
>
> She was also the first American woman to die in combat in Iraq, and the
> first Native American woman to die in combat, period.
>
> Many other governors could have named something after Ira Hayes, but
> none of them did, so why single out Janet Napolitano for not doing it?
>
> Regardless, even if it were wrong for her to do so, it pales in
> comparison to the other stuff you related.
>
> -- Michelle
>
I agree - I have few complaints about Napolitano and this is admittedly a
carping one. It is not in the same league with the many more outrageous
scandals Arizona has in its recent past. It just seemed clueless - and still
does - that she would pass up the opportunity to rename the peak (which was
clearly her purpose) to honor a major Arizona figure - especially one who
was a local and who gained such national fame - in favor of somebody who
will be "who?" and "so what?" within a generation. There was quite a flap
about the guideline that the honoree be of fifty years' standing and it was
an insult to the O'odham, both embarrassments she could have avoided. I
believe she just didn't give it much thought.

Mike

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-80C7FC.08424409012009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
> In article <E-ednQQbe57Q2vrUnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@sedona.net>,
> "Michael Pardee" <null@null.org> wrote:
>
>> Lori Piestewa was just a soldier who died in an ambush.
>
> She was also the first American woman to die in combat in Iraq, and the
> first Native American woman to die in combat, period.
>
> Many other governors could have named something after Ira Hayes, but
> none of them did, so why single out Janet Napolitano for not doing it?
>
> Regardless, even if it were wrong for her to do so, it pales in
> comparison to the other stuff you related.
>
> -- Michelle
>
> --
> It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the GOP did to
> America.

What about fixing all the damage the DEMONrats have done over the years?

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

In article <o1U9l.4068$Db2.337@edtnps83>,
"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the GOP did to
> > America.
>
> What about fixing all the damage the DEMONrats have done over the
> years?

Miniscule compared to the carnage wreaked by the Repugnants. The GOP
(which, contrary to their wishes, is not God's Own Party) is a hotbed of
liars, crooks, thieves, miscreants, and scoundrels. They don't give a
about the country; they're interested only in their own welfare and
their own flawed ideology.

Yeah, the Democrats have a few like that too; William Jefferson and the
governor of Illinois come to mind, but as a whole the party stands head
and shoulders above the cess pool that calls itself the GOP.

--
It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the GOP did to America.

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:18:34 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>Miniscule compared to the carnage wreaked by the Repugnants. The GOP
>(which, contrary to their wishes, is not God's Own Party) is a hotbed of
>liars, crooks, thieves, miscreants, and scoundrels. They don't give a
> about the country; they're interested only in their own welfare and
>their own flawed ideology.

Don't waste your time. Anyone posting here in support of the
Republicans is a tool of the neo-cons and severely brainwashed to
believe that the GOP is going to help them in some way.
Unfortunately, the GOP was taken over by the neo's some years ago and
exists only to feather the beds of the exceedingly rich.

I do admire the incredible brainwashing they've done though. You can
watch these tools fiercely defend GOP policies using the nonsense
their head has been stuffed with - all the time failing to see how
they are being screwed by the same policies.
>
>Yeah, the Democrats have a few like that too; William Jefferson and the
>governor of Illinois come to mind, but as a whole the party stands head
>and shoulders above the cess pool that calls itself the GOP.

Yeah, the Dem's are nothing to write home about either. They're
sincere, but very ineffective. Still, they never allowed the party to
be hijacked the way the GOP has been in the last few decades.

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

The DEMONrats are full of subversives, incompetents and various sexual
deviates.

"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:6hlim45748m9196mvjv61vqiosgh55pjhv@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:18:34 -0700, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>>Miniscule compared to the carnage wreaked by the Repugnants. The GOP
>>(which, contrary to their wishes, is not God's Own Party) is a hotbed of
>>liars, crooks, thieves, miscreants, and scoundrels. They don't give a
>> about the country; they're interested only in their own welfare and
>>their own flawed ideology.
>
> Don't waste your time. Anyone posting here in support of the
> Republicans is a tool of the neo-cons and severely brainwashed to
> believe that the GOP is going to help them in some way.
> Unfortunately, the GOP was taken over by the neo's some years ago and
> exists only to feather the beds of the exceedingly rich.
>
> I do admire the incredible brainwashing they've done though. You can
> watch these tools fiercely defend GOP policies using the nonsense
> their head has been stuffed with - all the time failing to see how
> they are being screwed by the same policies.
>>
>>Yeah, the Democrats have a few like that too; William Jefferson and the
>>governor of Illinois come to mind, but as a whole the party stands head
>>and shoulders above the cess pool that calls itself the GOP.
>
> Yeah, the Dem's are nothing to write home about either. They're
> sincere, but very ineffective. Still, they never allowed the party to
> be hijacked the way the GOP has been in the last few decades.
>

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

Tell that to the folks who clean the men's room at the twin cities airport.

"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NLeal.4309$PH1.241@edtnps82...
> The DEMONrats are full of subversives, incompetents and various sexual
> deviates.
>
> "me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:6hlim45748m9196mvjv61vqiosgh55pjhv@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:18:34 -0700, Michelle Steiner
>> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Miniscule compared to the carnage wreaked by the Repugnants. The GOP
>>>(which, contrary to their wishes, is not God's Own Party) is a hotbed of
>>>liars, crooks, thieves, miscreants, and scoundrels. They don't give a
>>> about the country; they're interested only in their own welfare and
>>>their own flawed ideology.
>>
>> Don't waste your time. Anyone posting here in support of the
>> Republicans is a tool of the neo-cons and severely brainwashed to
>> believe that the GOP is going to help them in some way.
>> Unfortunately, the GOP was taken over by the neo's some years ago and
>> exists only to feather the beds of the exceedingly rich.
>>
>> I do admire the incredible brainwashing they've done though. You can
>> watch these tools fiercely defend GOP policies using the nonsense
>> their head has been stuffed with - all the time failing to see how
>> they are being screwed by the same policies.
>>>
>>>Yeah, the Democrats have a few like that too; William Jefferson and the
>>>governor of Illinois come to mind, but as a whole the party stands head
>>>and shoulders above the cess pool that calls itself the GOP.
>>
>> Yeah, the Dem's are nothing to write home about either. They're
>> sincere, but very ineffective. Still, they never allowed the party to
>> be hijacked the way the GOP has been in the last few decades.
>>

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:41:17 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The DEMONrats are full of subversives, incompetents and various sexual
>deviates.

Your political perception is on a par with to your (top) posting
style. I hope you don't bother to vote.

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <o1U9l.4068$Db2.337@edtnps83>,
> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the GOP did to
>>>America.
>>
>>What about fixing all the damage the DEMONrats have done over the
>>years?
>
>
> Miniscule compared to the carnage wreaked by the Repugnants. The GOP
> (which, contrary to their wishes, is not God's Own Party) is a hotbed of
> liars, crooks, thieves, miscreants, and scoundrels. They don't give a
> about the country; they're interested only in their own welfare and
> their own flawed ideology.
>
> Yeah, the Democrats have a few like that too; William Jefferson and the
> governor of Illinois come to mind, but as a whole the party stands head
> and shoulders above the cess pool that calls itself the GOP.
>


Hmmmmmm..... Some flawed reasoning methinks.

Top Ten Cities (250,000 or more) with the HIghest Poverty Rates


1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 25.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%


Betcha thar' ain't a nasty Republican to be found in any of these...

JT

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:55:12 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:

>
>Hmmmmmm..... Some flawed reasoning methinks.
>
>Top Ten Cities (250,000 or more) with the HIghest Poverty Rates
>
>
>1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
>2. Buffalo NY 29.9%
>3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
>4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
>5. Miami, FL 25.9%
>6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
>7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
>8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
>9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
>10. Newark, NJ 24.2%
>
>
>Betcha thar' ain't a nasty Republican to be found in any of these...
>

Those cites don't have a low living standard because they are
Democratic, they are Democratic because they have a low living
standard.

The Republicans have rarely shown a disposition to helping anyone but
themselves: the "I got mine, good luck getting yours" philosophy.
whereas the Democrats have a "I have some, let's all share"
philosophy). The poor would benefit by being taught the techniques of
singleness/certainty of purpose and perseverance that the self-made
Republicans have used to get where they are, but few Republicans want
to teach it (a few notable exceptions). The poor would benefit by the
successful Democrats teaching those same concepts and rather than
handing out and preaching strategy-less hope (again, some notable
exceptions).

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

me wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:55:12 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
> <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hmmmmmm..... Some flawed reasoning methinks.
>>
>>Top Ten Cities (250,000 or more) with the HIghest Poverty Rates
>>
>>
>>1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
>>2. Buffalo NY 29.9%
>>3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
>>4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
>>5. Miami, FL 25.9%
>>6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
>>7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
>>8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
>>9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
>>10. Newark, NJ 24.2%
>>
>>
>>Betcha thar' ain't a nasty Republican to be found in any of these...
>>
>
>
> Those cites don't have a low living standard because they are
> Democratic, they are Democratic because they have a low living
> standard.
>
> The Republicans have rarely shown a disposition to helping anyone but
> themselves: the "I got mine, good luck getting yours" philosophy.
> whereas the Democrats have a "I have some, let's all share"
> philosophy). The poor would benefit by being taught the techniques of
> singleness/certainty of purpose and perseverance that the self-made
> Republicans have used to get where they are, but few Republicans want
> to teach it (a few notable exceptions). The poor would benefit by the
> successful Democrats teaching those same concepts and rather than
> handing out and preaching strategy-less hope (again, some notable
> exceptions).
>


Why am I not surprised?

"Self made" indicates folks who do what they must to be successful. IOW,
they are providers rather than takers.

Something that is not part of the Democrat vocabulary...

JT

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:24:00 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:

>
>Why am I not surprised?
>
>"Self made" indicates folks who do what they must to be successful. IOW,
>they are providers rather than takers.

I think you'd be hard pressed to prove that there are more "self made"
Republicans than Democrats.

>Something that is not part of the Democrat vocabulary...

The problem is that it's only part of the Republican vocabulary when
talking about themselves. They have no desire to distribute their
skills to others. The Democrats fail by concentrating on practical
skills and failing to teach the mindset necessary to achieve goals.

Both groups could do a lot more to stimulate people with potential.

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

On 2009-01-12, me <noemail@nothere.com> wrote:
> whereas the Democrats have a "I have some, let's all share"
> philosophy).

No, what Democrats have is more of a "that guy has some, let's forcibly
extract it from him and give it to somebody else, keeping some for
our trouble" philosophy.

--
Roger Blake
(Subtract 10s for email. "Google Groups" messages killfiled due to spam.)

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

What do they make this complicated with GPS? They just have to
records the odeometer annual, say at the emissions test.

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

me wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:24:00 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
> <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Why am I not surprised?
>>
>>"Self made" indicates folks who do what they must to be successful. IOW,
>>they are providers rather than takers.
>
>
> I think you'd be hard pressed to prove that there are more "self made"
> Republicans than Democrats.

You're joking, right?

Republicans are wealth creators while the Demos are wealth consumers.


>
>
>>Something that is not part of the Democrat vocabulary...
>
>
> The problem is that it's only part of the Republican vocabulary when
> talking about themselves. They have no desire to distribute their
> skills to others. The Democrats fail by concentrating on practical
> skills and failing to teach the mindset necessary to achieve goals.
>

What are the "practical" skills of democrats? Thinking of ways to share
the "wealth" is all I can think of.


> Both groups could do a lot more to stimulate people with potential.
>

Now, this is true.

JT

Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers
 

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:

>Republicans are wealth creators while the Demos are wealth consumers.

And of course 8 years under a Republican regime has clearly shown
that. During the previous 8 years under a Democrat we suffered the
greatest depression since the 30s and now, of course, we are in the
best of times.

- Leo