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stalling at ignition
if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or
turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to park I also have better 'luck'. PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. Regards, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
In article <vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, John Lutz
<linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > park I also have better 'luck'. > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > Regards, > John I advise you to do a complete tune-up. It could be something else. I don't know what you mean when you said that you "tried looking at the main relay--it seems ok." The only way to detemine if the main relay is working is to test it with the proper equipment. If you don't have the proper equipment or know how to test it--I advise you to take it to your favorite mechanic and have them do it. If you want to do it yourself, you need to get a manual such as one made by Haynes. Try calling Haynes at 1-805-498-6703. The one you need is 42012 |
Re: stalling at ignition
In article <vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, John Lutz
<linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > park I also have better 'luck'. > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > Regards, > John I advise you to do a complete tune-up. It could be something else. I don't know what you mean when you said that you "tried looking at the main relay--it seems ok." The only way to detemine if the main relay is working is to test it with the proper equipment. If you don't have the proper equipment or know how to test it--I advise you to take it to your favorite mechanic and have them do it. If you want to do it yourself, you need to get a manual such as one made by Haynes. Try calling Haynes at 1-805-498-6703. The one you need is 42012 |
Re: stalling at ignition
In article <vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, John Lutz
<linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > park I also have better 'luck'. > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > Regards, > John I advise you to do a complete tune-up. It could be something else. I don't know what you mean when you said that you "tried looking at the main relay--it seems ok." The only way to detemine if the main relay is working is to test it with the proper equipment. If you don't have the proper equipment or know how to test it--I advise you to take it to your favorite mechanic and have them do it. If you want to do it yourself, you need to get a manual such as one made by Haynes. Try calling Haynes at 1-805-498-6703. The one you need is 42012 |
Re: stalling at ignition
In article <vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, John Lutz
<linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > park I also have better 'luck'. > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > Regards, > John I advise you to do a complete tune-up. It could be something else. I don't know what you mean when you said that you "tried looking at the main relay--it seems ok." The only way to detemine if the main relay is working is to test it with the proper equipment. If you don't have the proper equipment or know how to test it--I advise you to take it to your favorite mechanic and have them do it. If you want to do it yourself, you need to get a manual such as one made by Haynes. Try calling Haynes at 1-805-498-6703. The one you need is 42012 |
Re: stalling at ignition
"Bill B. Johnson" wrote:
> > In article <vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, John Lutz > <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > > > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > > park I also have better 'luck'. > > > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > > > Regards, > > John > > I advise you to do a complete tune-up. It could be something else. I don't > know what you mean when you said that you "tried looking at the main > relay--it seems ok." The only way to detemine if the main relay is working > is to test it with the proper equipment. If you don't have the proper > equipment or know how to test it--I advise you to take it to your favorite > mechanic and have them do it. If you want to do it yourself, you need to > get a manual such as one made by Haynes. Try calling Haynes at > 1-805-498-6703. The one you need is 42012 The factory service manual can be obtained from http://www.helminc.com. While it may be slightly more expensive than a Haynes manual, it will also go into much greater depth. Eric |
Re: stalling at ignition
"Bill B. Johnson" wrote:
> > In article <vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, John Lutz > <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > > > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > > park I also have better 'luck'. > > > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > > > Regards, > > John > > I advise you to do a complete tune-up. It could be something else. I don't > know what you mean when you said that you "tried looking at the main > relay--it seems ok." The only way to detemine if the main relay is working > is to test it with the proper equipment. If you don't have the proper > equipment or know how to test it--I advise you to take it to your favorite > mechanic and have them do it. If you want to do it yourself, you need to > get a manual such as one made by Haynes. Try calling Haynes at > 1-805-498-6703. The one you need is 42012 The factory service manual can be obtained from http://www.helminc.com. While it may be slightly more expensive than a Haynes manual, it will also go into much greater depth. Eric |
Re: stalling at ignition
"Bill B. Johnson" wrote:
> > In article <vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, John Lutz > <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > > > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > > park I also have better 'luck'. > > > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > > > Regards, > > John > > I advise you to do a complete tune-up. It could be something else. I don't > know what you mean when you said that you "tried looking at the main > relay--it seems ok." The only way to detemine if the main relay is working > is to test it with the proper equipment. If you don't have the proper > equipment or know how to test it--I advise you to take it to your favorite > mechanic and have them do it. If you want to do it yourself, you need to > get a manual such as one made by Haynes. Try calling Haynes at > 1-805-498-6703. The one you need is 42012 The factory service manual can be obtained from http://www.helminc.com. While it may be slightly more expensive than a Haynes manual, it will also go into much greater depth. Eric |
Re: stalling at ignition
"Bill B. Johnson" wrote:
> > In article <vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net >, John Lutz > <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > > > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > > park I also have better 'luck'. > > > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > > > Regards, > > John > > I advise you to do a complete tune-up. It could be something else. I don't > know what you mean when you said that you "tried looking at the main > relay--it seems ok." The only way to detemine if the main relay is working > is to test it with the proper equipment. If you don't have the proper > equipment or know how to test it--I advise you to take it to your favorite > mechanic and have them do it. If you want to do it yourself, you need to > get a manual such as one made by Haynes. Try calling Haynes at > 1-805-498-6703. The one you need is 42012 The factory service manual can be obtained from http://www.helminc.com. While it may be slightly more expensive than a Haynes manual, it will also go into much greater depth. Eric |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in
news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > park I also have better 'luck'. > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > Regards, > John > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential problem. http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. -- Jim Yanik,NRA member jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in
news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > park I also have better 'luck'. > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > Regards, > John > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential problem. http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. -- Jim Yanik,NRA member jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in
news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > park I also have better 'luck'. > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > Regards, > John > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential problem. http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. -- Jim Yanik,NRA member jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in
news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > park I also have better 'luck'. > > PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > > Regards, > John > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential problem. http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. -- Jim Yanik,NRA member jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: stalling at ignition
Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>park I also have better 'luck'. >> >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking > at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. > > This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential > problem. > > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm > > Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. > > Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. > Hello, Ok thank guys. I'll probably just buy a new main relay. Regards, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>park I also have better 'luck'. >> >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking > at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. > > This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential > problem. > > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm > > Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. > > Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. > Hello, Ok thank guys. I'll probably just buy a new main relay. Regards, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>park I also have better 'luck'. >> >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking > at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. > > This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential > problem. > > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm > > Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. > > Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. > Hello, Ok thank guys. I'll probably just buy a new main relay. Regards, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>park I also have better 'luck'. >> >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking > at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. > > This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential > problem. > > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm > > Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. > > Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. > Hello, Ok thank guys. I'll probably just buy a new main relay. Regards, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>park I also have better 'luck'. >> >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking > at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. > > This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential > problem. > > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm > > Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. > > Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. > Alright, Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only recently only after I had my brakes done. Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a part or system. I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this condition carry on. Regards, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>park I also have better 'luck'. >> >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking > at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. > > This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential > problem. > > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm > > Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. > > Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. > Alright, Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only recently only after I had my brakes done. Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a part or system. I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this condition carry on. Regards, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>park I also have better 'luck'. >> >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking > at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. > > This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential > problem. > > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm > > Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. > > Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. > Alright, Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only recently only after I had my brakes done. Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a part or system. I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this condition carry on. Regards, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>park I also have better 'luck'. >> >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking > at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. > > This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential > problem. > > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm > > Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. > > Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. > Alright, Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only recently only after I had my brakes done. Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a part or system. I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this condition carry on. Regards, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
On 12/11/03 3:41 PM, in article
iw5Cb.54221$655.7801816@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "John Lutz" <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > Jim Yanik wrote: >> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in >> news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: >> >> >>> if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>> turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>> it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>> with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>> park I also have better 'luck'. >>> >>> PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>> only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >>> >>> Regards, >>> John >>> >> >> >> Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking >> at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. >> >> This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential >> problem. >> >> http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm >> >> Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. >> >> Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. >> > Alright, > Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the > check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This > only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again > only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to > engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when > it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check > engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only > recently only after I had my brakes done. > > Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' > check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a > part or system. > > I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this > condition carry on. > > Regards, > John > If the engine actually fires and runs while you are cranking it, then stops the instant you release the key to the run position, the problem is most likely the ignition switch. |
Re: stalling at ignition
On 12/11/03 3:41 PM, in article
iw5Cb.54221$655.7801816@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "John Lutz" <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > Jim Yanik wrote: >> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in >> news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: >> >> >>> if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>> turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>> it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>> with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>> park I also have better 'luck'. >>> >>> PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>> only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >>> >>> Regards, >>> John >>> >> >> >> Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking >> at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. >> >> This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential >> problem. >> >> http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm >> >> Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. >> >> Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. >> > Alright, > Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the > check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This > only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again > only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to > engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when > it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check > engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only > recently only after I had my brakes done. > > Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' > check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a > part or system. > > I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this > condition carry on. > > Regards, > John > If the engine actually fires and runs while you are cranking it, then stops the instant you release the key to the run position, the problem is most likely the ignition switch. |
Re: stalling at ignition
On 12/11/03 3:41 PM, in article
iw5Cb.54221$655.7801816@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "John Lutz" <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > Jim Yanik wrote: >> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in >> news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: >> >> >>> if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>> turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>> it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>> with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>> park I also have better 'luck'. >>> >>> PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>> only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >>> >>> Regards, >>> John >>> >> >> >> Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking >> at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. >> >> This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential >> problem. >> >> http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm >> >> Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. >> >> Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. >> > Alright, > Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the > check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This > only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again > only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to > engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when > it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check > engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only > recently only after I had my brakes done. > > Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' > check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a > part or system. > > I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this > condition carry on. > > Regards, > John > If the engine actually fires and runs while you are cranking it, then stops the instant you release the key to the run position, the problem is most likely the ignition switch. |
Re: stalling at ignition
On 12/11/03 3:41 PM, in article
iw5Cb.54221$655.7801816@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "John Lutz" <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > Jim Yanik wrote: >> John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in >> news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: >> >> >>> if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>> turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>> it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>> with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>> park I also have better 'luck'. >>> >>> PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>> only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >>> >>> Regards, >>> John >>> >> >> >> Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking >> at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. >> >> This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential >> problem. >> >> http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm >> >> Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. >> >> Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. >> > Alright, > Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the > check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This > only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again > only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to > engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when > it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check > engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only > recently only after I had my brakes done. > > Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' > check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a > part or system. > > I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this > condition carry on. > > Regards, > John > If the engine actually fires and runs while you are cranking it, then stops the instant you release the key to the run position, the problem is most likely the ignition switch. |
Re: stalling at ignition
E. Meyer wrote:
> On 12/11/03 3:41 PM, in article > iw5Cb.54221$655.7801816@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "John Lutz" > <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > > >>Jim Yanik wrote: >> >>>John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in >>>news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.c v.net: >>> >>> >>> >>>>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>>>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>>>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>>>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>>>park I also have better 'luck'. >>>> >>>>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>>>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>John >>>> >>> >>> >>>Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking >>>at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. >>> >>>This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential >>>problem. >>> >>>http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm >>> >>>Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. >>> >>>Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. >>> >> >>Alright, >> Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the >>check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This >>only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again >>only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to >>engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when >>it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check >>engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only >>recently only after I had my brakes done. >> >>Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' >>check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a >>part or system. >> >> I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this >>condition carry on. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > If the engine actually fires and runs while you are cranking it, then stops > the instant you release the key to the run position, the problem is most > likely the ignition switch. > > Not exactly sure if it does that or not. I know that when I try to start it it will fire then die in the span or time while still turning the ignition. The question is, why does the fuel pump not engage (after it warms up) like it does in initial rounds of firing? Where can I get information on the fuel pump relay online. Searching stuff with google and altavista only brings up add web sites. Searching for information on automobile repairs is terrible on the web! Thanks, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
E. Meyer wrote:
> On 12/11/03 3:41 PM, in article > iw5Cb.54221$655.7801816@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "John Lutz" > <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > > >>Jim Yanik wrote: >> >>>John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in >>>news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.c v.net: >>> >>> >>> >>>>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>>>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>>>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>>>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>>>park I also have better 'luck'. >>>> >>>>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>>>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>John >>>> >>> >>> >>>Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking >>>at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. >>> >>>This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential >>>problem. >>> >>>http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm >>> >>>Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. >>> >>>Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. >>> >> >>Alright, >> Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the >>check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This >>only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again >>only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to >>engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when >>it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check >>engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only >>recently only after I had my brakes done. >> >>Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' >>check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a >>part or system. >> >> I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this >>condition carry on. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > If the engine actually fires and runs while you are cranking it, then stops > the instant you release the key to the run position, the problem is most > likely the ignition switch. > > Not exactly sure if it does that or not. I know that when I try to start it it will fire then die in the span or time while still turning the ignition. The question is, why does the fuel pump not engage (after it warms up) like it does in initial rounds of firing? Where can I get information on the fuel pump relay online. Searching stuff with google and altavista only brings up add web sites. Searching for information on automobile repairs is terrible on the web! Thanks, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
E. Meyer wrote:
> On 12/11/03 3:41 PM, in article > iw5Cb.54221$655.7801816@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "John Lutz" > <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > > >>Jim Yanik wrote: >> >>>John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in >>>news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.c v.net: >>> >>> >>> >>>>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>>>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>>>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>>>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>>>park I also have better 'luck'. >>>> >>>>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>>>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>John >>>> >>> >>> >>>Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking >>>at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. >>> >>>This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential >>>problem. >>> >>>http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm >>> >>>Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. >>> >>>Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. >>> >> >>Alright, >> Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the >>check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This >>only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again >>only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to >>engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when >>it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check >>engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only >>recently only after I had my brakes done. >> >>Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' >>check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a >>part or system. >> >> I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this >>condition carry on. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > If the engine actually fires and runs while you are cranking it, then stops > the instant you release the key to the run position, the problem is most > likely the ignition switch. > > Not exactly sure if it does that or not. I know that when I try to start it it will fire then die in the span or time while still turning the ignition. The question is, why does the fuel pump not engage (after it warms up) like it does in initial rounds of firing? Where can I get information on the fuel pump relay online. Searching stuff with google and altavista only brings up add web sites. Searching for information on automobile repairs is terrible on the web! Thanks, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
E. Meyer wrote:
> On 12/11/03 3:41 PM, in article > iw5Cb.54221$655.7801816@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "John Lutz" > <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: > > >>Jim Yanik wrote: >> >>>John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in >>>news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.c v.net: >>> >>> >>> >>>>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >>>>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >>>>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >>>>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >>>>park I also have better 'luck'. >>>> >>>>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >>>>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>John >>>> >>> >>> >>>Well,the main relay activates the fuel pump(if the MR is working)."looking >>>at it,it seems OK" is not going to tell you if it -is- OK or not. >>> >>>This tells you how to FIX the relay and eliminate it as a potential >>>problem. >>> >>>http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm >>> >>>Or you can spend $50 (or more) and replace it. >>> >>>Then it could also be a worn ignition switch. >>> >> >>Alright, >> Well it appears that when i turn on the preiginition; I see the >>check engine light on , i also hear the fuel pump turn on. This >>only happens initially. After I have it running and try it again >>only the check engine light goes on. The fuel pump doesn't seem to >>engage and the car doesn't start. Though it only started once when >>it was in neutral. Could this tstill be the main relay? The check >>engine light never really stayed on for a long time until only >>recently only after I had my brakes done. >> >>Also, if I try to get a honda diagnostic setting I get a 'constant' >>check engine light. Does appear to have a corresponding id to a >>part or system. >> >> I also had the fuel pump replaced by a shop, only to have this >>condition carry on. >> >>Regards, >>John >> > > > If the engine actually fires and runs while you are cranking it, then stops > the instant you release the key to the run position, the problem is most > likely the ignition switch. > > Not exactly sure if it does that or not. I know that when I try to start it it will fire then die in the span or time while still turning the ignition. The question is, why does the fuel pump not engage (after it warms up) like it does in initial rounds of firing? Where can I get information on the fuel pump relay online. Searching stuff with google and altavista only brings up add web sites. Searching for information on automobile repairs is terrible on the web! Thanks, John |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in
news:PaqCb.91370$655.13558149@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net: > Not exactly sure if it does that or not. I know that when I try > to start it it will fire then die in the span or time while still > turning the ignition. > The question is, why does the fuel pump not engage (after it warms > up) like it does in initial rounds of firing? Where can I get > information on the fuel pump relay online. > Searching stuff with google and altavista only brings up add > web sites. Searching for information on automobile repairs > is terrible on the web! > > Thanks, > John > > The fuel system holds enough pressure for the car to briefly start,but not enough to maintain running unless the fuel pump keeps the pressure up. The solder problem on the relay PCB makes it -intermittent-,which is why it works sometimes,but especially not when its hot out. In all the time you've spent on these posts,you could have resoldered the relay and discovered if it was the problem or not. -- Jim Yanik,NRA member jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in
news:PaqCb.91370$655.13558149@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net: > Not exactly sure if it does that or not. I know that when I try > to start it it will fire then die in the span or time while still > turning the ignition. > The question is, why does the fuel pump not engage (after it warms > up) like it does in initial rounds of firing? Where can I get > information on the fuel pump relay online. > Searching stuff with google and altavista only brings up add > web sites. Searching for information on automobile repairs > is terrible on the web! > > Thanks, > John > > The fuel system holds enough pressure for the car to briefly start,but not enough to maintain running unless the fuel pump keeps the pressure up. The solder problem on the relay PCB makes it -intermittent-,which is why it works sometimes,but especially not when its hot out. In all the time you've spent on these posts,you could have resoldered the relay and discovered if it was the problem or not. -- Jim Yanik,NRA member jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in
news:PaqCb.91370$655.13558149@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net: > Not exactly sure if it does that or not. I know that when I try > to start it it will fire then die in the span or time while still > turning the ignition. > The question is, why does the fuel pump not engage (after it warms > up) like it does in initial rounds of firing? Where can I get > information on the fuel pump relay online. > Searching stuff with google and altavista only brings up add > web sites. Searching for information on automobile repairs > is terrible on the web! > > Thanks, > John > > The fuel system holds enough pressure for the car to briefly start,but not enough to maintain running unless the fuel pump keeps the pressure up. The solder problem on the relay PCB makes it -intermittent-,which is why it works sometimes,but especially not when its hot out. In all the time you've spent on these posts,you could have resoldered the relay and discovered if it was the problem or not. -- Jim Yanik,NRA member jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in
news:PaqCb.91370$655.13558149@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net: > Not exactly sure if it does that or not. I know that when I try > to start it it will fire then die in the span or time while still > turning the ignition. > The question is, why does the fuel pump not engage (after it warms > up) like it does in initial rounds of firing? Where can I get > information on the fuel pump relay online. > Searching stuff with google and altavista only brings up add > web sites. Searching for information on automobile repairs > is terrible on the web! > > Thanks, > John > > The fuel system holds enough pressure for the car to briefly start,but not enough to maintain running unless the fuel pump keeps the pressure up. The solder problem on the relay PCB makes it -intermittent-,which is why it works sometimes,but especially not when its hot out. In all the time you've spent on these posts,you could have resoldered the relay and discovered if it was the problem or not. -- Jim Yanik,NRA member jyanik-at-kua.net |
Re: stalling at ignition
It could very well be the engine's ECU
Humidity effecting the resonse of electric signals is common problem in a computer Especially one that was sealed in a box, and over time the seals are starting to deteriorate Best of Luck Phill On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:35:23 GMT, John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: >if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >park I also have better 'luck'. > >PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > >Regards, >John |
Re: stalling at ignition
It could very well be the engine's ECU
Humidity effecting the resonse of electric signals is common problem in a computer Especially one that was sealed in a box, and over time the seals are starting to deteriorate Best of Luck Phill On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:35:23 GMT, John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: >if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >park I also have better 'luck'. > >PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > >Regards, >John |
Re: stalling at ignition
It could very well be the engine's ECU
Humidity effecting the resonse of electric signals is common problem in a computer Especially one that was sealed in a box, and over time the seals are starting to deteriorate Best of Luck Phill On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:35:23 GMT, John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote: >if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or >turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, >it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially >with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to >park I also have better 'luck'. > >PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server >only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > >Regards, >John |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz wrote:
> > Jim Yanik wrote: > > John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > > > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > >>park I also have better 'luck'. > >> > >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > >> > >>Regards, > >>John ====================== John, Read this site carefully. It seems to be your problem. http://members.rogers.com/john-ings/MainRelay.HTM 'Curly' ============== |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz wrote:
> > Jim Yanik wrote: > > John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > > > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > >>park I also have better 'luck'. > >> > >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > >> > >>Regards, > >>John ====================== John, Read this site carefully. It seems to be your problem. http://members.rogers.com/john-ings/MainRelay.HTM 'Curly' ============== |
Re: stalling at ignition
John Lutz wrote:
> > Jim Yanik wrote: > > John Lutz <linuxbeatsmicrosoft@nyc.com> wrote in > > news:vPIBb.21314$655.2133471@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et: > > > > > >>if the car (honda accord ex 1993) stalls at ignition or > >>turns forever, what can that be? I've tried looking at the main relay, > >>it seems ok. Hotter weather the car is worse off, especially > >>with humidity. If I throw it into neutral then back to > >>park I also have better 'luck'. > >> > >>PS- thanks for the advice from last time. My new server > >>only allows two days then makes the messages 'illegal'. > >> > >>Regards, > >>John ====================== John, Read this site carefully. It seems to be your problem. http://members.rogers.com/john-ings/MainRelay.HTM 'Curly' ============== |
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