Starter Installation
 

How easy it is to install a starter on a Honda 2-door 1500 hatchback? Is it
buried under 8,000 tons of wire & stuff, or is it pretty easily accessible?

Any diagrams on any websites to show?

LRH

Re: Starter Installation
 

Have you opened the hood and looked?


"Larry R Harrison Jr" <noone@noone.com> wrote in message
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> How easy it is to install a starter on a Honda 2-door 1500 hatchback? Is
> it buried under 8,000 tons of wire & stuff, or is it pretty easily
> accessible?
>
> Any diagrams on any websites to show?
>
> LRH
>

Re: Starter Installation
 

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:56:40 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
<noone@noone.com> wrote:

>How easy it is to install a starter on a Honda 2-door 1500 hatchback? Is it
>buried under 8,000 tons of wire & stuff, or is it pretty easily accessible?
>
>Any diagrams on any websites to show?
>
>LRH
>
it is buried under stuff, and the bottom bolt is a real PITA to get
on/off. i tend to take the air hose from the filter to the injector
off (i've had to fit a new starter 3 times since may, one for a busted
winding, and twice for busted mounts

Re: Starter Installation
 

Steve Bigelow wrote:
> Have you opened the hood and looked?
>

No, it's a car for sale I saw in the neighborhood. They only want $250
for it, but if the starter is a huge pain in the rear to install that
may kill it for me.

You'd think there would be some diagrams on the Web very easily found.
Do Haynes & Chilton have such a grip on everything it's illegal to
publish these anywhere else or something?

LRH

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<larrytucaz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Steve Bigelow wrote:
>> Have you opened the hood and looked?
>>
>
> No, it's a car for sale I saw in the neighborhood. They only want $250
> for it, but if the starter is a huge pain in the rear to install that
> may kill it for me.
>
> You'd think there would be some diagrams on the Web very easily found.
> Do Haynes & Chilton have such a grip on everything it's illegal to
> publish these anywhere else or something?

Well, it's private copyrighted material, so...yeah.

What year is it?
Factory manuals available online if 95 on or 84-87.

http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/workshopmanuals2.html
Should give you an idea, anyways.

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"Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote in message
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>
> Well, it's private copyrighted material, so...yeah.

But if I photographed a car myself and published screenshots of a Honda's
engine and describe what was what, it would be illegal? That's silly.

>
> http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/workshopmanuals2.html
> Should give you an idea, anyways.
>

Re: Starter Installation
 

Right -- the botton bolt is a real character builder. Getting the
starter out and back in can be like one of those nail/horse shoe
puzzles. You can pull it out from the top, pulley first, right by the
intake manifold.

You'll have very little room to turn a wrench because of what is near
the bottom bolt.
It can be probably be done with a regular 16 point wrench, but I found
it easiest to use one of those rachet wrenches with a small turn angle.
(sears sells a set that is actually non sears brand). I couldn't get to
mine with a socket set.




..

Re: Starter Installation
 

Did I say pulley first?? I meant 'gear first'. I remember that this
was the best way for the starter I replaced. I had to pull the skinnier
end up first and turn it (like I said: it is like a horseshoe puzzle)

It isn't impossible, though -- if all that's wrong with the car is the
starter, you're stealing it at $250 + dump starter + a little of your
time.

Let us know how you make out.
Remco

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"Larry R Harrison Jr" <noone@noone.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:B_idna_YcJEBemfcRVn-uQ@rogers.com...
>>
>> Well, it's private copyrighted material, so...yeah.
>
> But if I photographed a car myself and published screenshots of a Honda's
> engine and describe what was what, it would be illegal? That's silly.
>
Yes, that would be silly. Anybody who wants to generate their own material
may do so. Generating things like wiring diagrams from scratch is laborious
enough that there aren't many takers.

There are other sources besides Chilton's and Haynes. The best (and most
expensive) are almost always the factory manuals, but if your local library
has Mitchell manuals in the reference section you have another great source
available. Essentially, it's a question of who is willing to do the work to
produce a manual on a particular model car.

Mike

Re: Starter Installation
 

Remco wrote:
> Did I say pulley first?? I meant 'gear first'. I remember that this
> was the best way for the starter I replaced. I had to pull the
skinnier
> end up first and turn it (like I said: it is like a horseshoe puzzle)
>
> It isn't impossible, though -- if all that's wrong with the car is
the
> starter, you're stealing it at $250 + dump starter + a little of your
> time.
>
> Let us know how you make out.
> Remco

Well that isn't QUITE all that's wrong with it. The carberautor (sp?)
needs adjusting because it can stall at stop lights. They assured me
the carb. doesn't need to be REPLACED (they are expensive), just
adjusted. Also, the heater/A-C don't work and I THINK the windshield
wiper motor burned out. The former I wouldn't expect given its age, the
latter not THAT big of an issue in Tucson, AZ, with 12 inches of rain a
year (but it would be hot as hades in the summer of course).

But for basic transportation going around town and not far out, I'd be
content with it.

LRH

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"Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Did I say pulley first?? I meant 'gear first'. I remember that this
> was the best way for the starter I replaced. I had to pull the skinnier
> end up first and turn it (like I said: it is like a horseshoe puzzle)
>
> It isn't impossible, though -- if all that's wrong with the car is the
> starter, you're stealing it at $250 + dump starter + a little of your
> time.
>
> Let us know how you make out.
> Remco
>
Highlight Remco's "if" though - "if all that's wrong with the car is the
starter". If you can't run the engine there could be any number of hidden
problems in there - even crashed valves from a failed timing belt. A seized
engine resembles a bad starter... click, click, click. Maybe it's a manual
tranny and you can try it after a push start. Then it would be a very good
buy indeed.

Mike

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Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1106974565.150908.287450@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > Did I say pulley first?? I meant 'gear first'. I remember that
this
> > was the best way for the starter I replaced. I had to pull the
skinnier
> > end up first and turn it (like I said: it is like a horseshoe
puzzle)
> >
> > It isn't impossible, though -- if all that's wrong with the car is
the
> > starter, you're stealing it at $250 + dump starter + a little of
your
> > time.
> >
> > Let us know how you make out.
> > Remco
> >
> Highlight Remco's "if" though - "if all that's wrong with the car is
the
> starter". If you can't run the engine there could be any number of
hidden
> problems in there - even crashed valves from a failed timing belt. A
seized
> engine resembles a bad starter... click, click, click. Maybe it's a
manual
> tranny and you can try it after a push start. Then it would be a very
good
> buy indeed.
>
> Mike

It IS a manual transmission car, and I know of push-starting, but I
thought that only covered for having a bad battery. I have never heard
of that covering for a bad STARTER.

LRH

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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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>
> There are other sources besides Chilton's and Haynes. The best (and most
> expensive) are almost always the factory manuals, but if your local
> library has Mitchell manuals in the reference section you have another
> great source available. Essentially, it's a question of who is willing to
> do the work to produce a manual on a particular model car.
>
> Mike
Thanks for the information. I'm not against getting a Haynes or Chilton
manual per se. I just figured there'd be a ton of such stuff on the Internet
easily obtained.

LRH

Re: Starter Installation
 

On 29 Jan 2005 12:07:11 -0800, larrytucaz@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1106974565.150908.287450@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> > Did I say pulley first?? I meant 'gear first'. I remember that
>this
>> > was the best way for the starter I replaced. I had to pull the
>skinnier
>> > end up first and turn it (like I said: it is like a horseshoe
>puzzle)
>> >
>> > It isn't impossible, though -- if all that's wrong with the car is
>the
>> > starter, you're stealing it at $250 + dump starter + a little of
>your
>> > time.
>> >
>> > Let us know how you make out.
>> > Remco
>> >
>> Highlight Remco's "if" though - "if all that's wrong with the car is
>the
>> starter". If you can't run the engine there could be any number of
>hidden
>> problems in there - even crashed valves from a failed timing belt. A
>seized
>> engine resembles a bad starter... click, click, click. Maybe it's a
>manual
>> tranny and you can try it after a push start. Then it would be a very
>good
>> buy indeed.
>>
>> Mike
>
>It IS a manual transmission car, and I know of push-starting, but I
>thought that only covered for having a bad battery. I have never heard
>of that covering for a bad STARTER.

Well, a WEAK battery means you can't turn the starter. either way, by
push-starting, you're turning over the engine by the wheels, through
the gearbox, as opposed to by the starter through the flywheel.

>
>LRH

Re: Starter Installation
 

K`Tetch wrote:

> Well, a WEAK battery means you can't turn the starter. either way, by
> push-starting, you're turning over the engine by the wheels, through
> the gearbox, as opposed to by the starter through the flywheel.
>
> >
My friend, who himself owns a 1984 Honda Civic wagon, agreed & verified
it with another friend of his--a 5-speed car can be push-started even
if its starter is toast. Not that I intend to push-start the car
indefinitely if I get it, but it does help in the MEANTIME and in
particular for troubleshooting--making sure that the car is start-able
and drivable once a starter is installed.

Actually, he said installing the starter on those cars isn't that hard,
and I saw its location myself and it wasn't as bad as I thought it
would be. Pretty bad, but not as bad as I had thought--and my friend is
willing to help me install one when I buy a replacement.
I'll let you guys know how the car turns out.

LRH