Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

"Norm Dion" <npdion@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<O2N%c.403651$%_6.66264@attbi_s01>...
> I plan on buying a 2005 Accord, if they ever hit the market!
> My main question is whether to spend the extra amount for the sunroof, that
> is, LX vs EX.
> What kinds of maintenance issues can I expect with the sunroof? Are they
> prone to break down? Leak?

Norm (!)
I've had sunroofs (including 1 self-installed, yikes, and aftermarket
ones that sometimes leaked) and moonroofs (electric) all my life in
cars until I just got a toyota prius, and discovered I longer care
about sunroofs (sunrooves?).

But I will say that I don't believe you will have any leakage problems
with a factory moonroof. If you like 'em, go for it. My wife's EX
has one and it's pretty nice. If you live in a rust area, consider
this: my wife's '90 corolla started rusting along the front edge of
her moonroof, which caused us to decide to trade it in in late 1995.

Rob

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

"Norm Dion" <npdion@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<O2N%c.403651$%_6.66264@attbi_s01>...
> I plan on buying a 2005 Accord, if they ever hit the market!
> My main question is whether to spend the extra amount for the sunroof, that
> is, LX vs EX.
> What kinds of maintenance issues can I expect with the sunroof? Are they
> prone to break down? Leak?

Norm (!)
I've had sunroofs (including 1 self-installed, yikes, and aftermarket
ones that sometimes leaked) and moonroofs (electric) all my life in
cars until I just got a toyota prius, and discovered I longer care
about sunroofs (sunrooves?).

But I will say that I don't believe you will have any leakage problems
with a factory moonroof. If you like 'em, go for it. My wife's EX
has one and it's pretty nice. If you live in a rust area, consider
this: my wife's '90 corolla started rusting along the front edge of
her moonroof, which caused us to decide to trade it in in late 1995.

Rob

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

Rob wrote:
> "Norm Dion" <npdion@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:<O2N%c.403651$%_6.66264@attbi_s01>...
>> I plan on buying a 2005 Accord, if they ever hit the market!
>> My main question is whether to spend the extra amount for the
>> sunroof, that is, LX vs EX.
>> What kinds of maintenance issues can I expect with the sunroof? Are
>> they prone to break down? Leak?
>
> Norm (!)
> I've had sunroofs (including 1 self-installed, yikes, and aftermarket
> ones that sometimes leaked) and moonroofs (electric) all my life in
> cars until I just got a toyota prius, and discovered I longer care
> about sunroofs (sunrooves?).
>
> But I will say that I don't believe you will have any leakage problems
> with a factory moonroof. If you like 'em, go for it. My wife's EX
> has one and it's pretty nice. If you live in a rust area, consider
> this: my wife's '90 corolla started rusting along the front edge of
> her moonroof, which caused us to decide to trade it in in late 1995.
>
> Rob

Rob

I would love to here your impressions of your new Prius. This car has me
very intrigued.

Mike

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

Rob wrote:
> "Norm Dion" <npdion@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:<O2N%c.403651$%_6.66264@attbi_s01>...
>> I plan on buying a 2005 Accord, if they ever hit the market!
>> My main question is whether to spend the extra amount for the
>> sunroof, that is, LX vs EX.
>> What kinds of maintenance issues can I expect with the sunroof? Are
>> they prone to break down? Leak?
>
> Norm (!)
> I've had sunroofs (including 1 self-installed, yikes, and aftermarket
> ones that sometimes leaked) and moonroofs (electric) all my life in
> cars until I just got a toyota prius, and discovered I longer care
> about sunroofs (sunrooves?).
>
> But I will say that I don't believe you will have any leakage problems
> with a factory moonroof. If you like 'em, go for it. My wife's EX
> has one and it's pretty nice. If you live in a rust area, consider
> this: my wife's '90 corolla started rusting along the front edge of
> her moonroof, which caused us to decide to trade it in in late 1995.
>
> Rob

Rob

I would love to here your impressions of your new Prius. This car has me
very intrigued.

Mike

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

I have a 1986 Prelude with 235,000 miles and the sunroof still work great.
the wind deflector is a great dealer add on.

Norm Dion <npdion@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O2N%c.403651$%_6.66264@attbi_s01...
> I plan on buying a 2005 Accord, if they ever hit the market!
> My main question is whether to spend the extra amount for the sunroof,
that
> is, LX vs EX.
> What kinds of maintenance issues can I expect with the sunroof? Are they
> prone to break down? Leak?
> Like all my cars, I intend to keep it 10-12 years.
> By the way, on paper I don't see a great deal of difference between the
'04
> and '05. Comments anyone?
> TIA
>
>




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Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

I have a 1986 Prelude with 235,000 miles and the sunroof still work great.
the wind deflector is a great dealer add on.

Norm Dion <npdion@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O2N%c.403651$%_6.66264@attbi_s01...
> I plan on buying a 2005 Accord, if they ever hit the market!
> My main question is whether to spend the extra amount for the sunroof,
that
> is, LX vs EX.
> What kinds of maintenance issues can I expect with the sunroof? Are they
> prone to break down? Leak?
> Like all my cars, I intend to keep it 10-12 years.
> By the way, on paper I don't see a great deal of difference between the
'04
> and '05. Comments anyone?
> TIA
>
>




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Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:19:29 -0700, "RMoore" <rmoore@hroads.net>
wrote:

>I have a 1986 Prelude with 235,000 miles and the sunroof still work great.
>the wind deflector is a great dealer add on.

What does the wind deflector get ya? Less wind? What about noise?

I havent had any problems with my 97 sunroof - however I find it rare
that I use it. It is to loud on the highway! To hot in the summer.

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:19:29 -0700, "RMoore" <rmoore@hroads.net>
wrote:

>I have a 1986 Prelude with 235,000 miles and the sunroof still work great.
>the wind deflector is a great dealer add on.

What does the wind deflector get ya? Less wind? What about noise?

I havent had any problems with my 97 sunroof - however I find it rare
that I use it. It is to loud on the highway! To hot in the summer.

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

"Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<fG20d.288122$UTP.152418@twister01.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers.com>...
>
> I would love to here your impressions of your new Prius. This car has me
> very intrigued.
>
> Mike

Mike,
I think the Prius is a fantastic car. I have almost 12,000 miles on
it (it's a 2004 model) with no problems other than the dealership
blowing up the ECU during a software recall/upgrade...they had to keep
it from Friday to Monday p.m. to get the part to fix it.

I'm averaging close to 50 mpg. in fairly short-trip (6 miles at a
clip) suburban driving; about 52-53 on the last 3 tanks, when I've
been trying harder. Quiet, well-built, lots of features and cool
gizmoes. My car was the cheapest trim line available ($19,995) but
has power windows & mirrors, climate control, single CD stereo, ABS,
traction control, lit steering wheel controls of stereo, climate, and
both defrosters. It is very cool to have the gas engine shut off at
stoplights or while cruising. The transition off/on is pretty
seamless, other than an occasional slightly rough shutoff.

I have been on a waiting list since January for another new Prius,
which I now expect in a month or so, a 2005 model (unchanged from
2004) but with a $3000 option package ("package 7") that will give me
side airbags, smart key, HID lights, Stability Control, and a few
other things. (I also wanted a Prius with gray interior instead of
the light tan I have now.) I found a new 2004 Prius locally in August
that had the top ("package 9" $6000) option package, which includes
NAV and a 6-disk stereo, and planned to buy that, but my dad was
intrigued by the NAV in my wife's Accord, so I let him buy that Prius
and I bought his to drive while awaiting my package 7. (This might
read somewhat confusingly; of the 12,000 miles on my Prius, my dad put
on the first 8-9 thousand -- he bought it new-- and I've put on the
rest since the beginning of August.)

I don't need the NAV on two cars. I highly prefer the ease of use of
Honda NAV over Toyota NAV. I love my wife's EX 4-cyl. Accord; she
considers leather & heated seats a must-have; neither is available on
Prius except aftermarket. I'm so happy to have a Toyota again (have
owned many in my life, from Celicas to Land Cruisers), and my first
Honda (automobile, anyway), after driving Ford Explorers for last 10
years (not sure why...they were pretty good vehicles, I must admit,
though). I wish you didn't have to hide the odometer setting on the
Accord to see the outside temp.; and wish it had memory seats and lit
steering wheel buttons...pretty minor complaints. For the Prius, my
wish list would be power seats.

As we're on a Honda NG here, please email me at onerpm@yahoo.com if
you have any more questions you'd like to ask me about the Prius.

Rob

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

"Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<fG20d.288122$UTP.152418@twister01.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers.com>...
>
> I would love to here your impressions of your new Prius. This car has me
> very intrigued.
>
> Mike

Mike,
I think the Prius is a fantastic car. I have almost 12,000 miles on
it (it's a 2004 model) with no problems other than the dealership
blowing up the ECU during a software recall/upgrade...they had to keep
it from Friday to Monday p.m. to get the part to fix it.

I'm averaging close to 50 mpg. in fairly short-trip (6 miles at a
clip) suburban driving; about 52-53 on the last 3 tanks, when I've
been trying harder. Quiet, well-built, lots of features and cool
gizmoes. My car was the cheapest trim line available ($19,995) but
has power windows & mirrors, climate control, single CD stereo, ABS,
traction control, lit steering wheel controls of stereo, climate, and
both defrosters. It is very cool to have the gas engine shut off at
stoplights or while cruising. The transition off/on is pretty
seamless, other than an occasional slightly rough shutoff.

I have been on a waiting list since January for another new Prius,
which I now expect in a month or so, a 2005 model (unchanged from
2004) but with a $3000 option package ("package 7") that will give me
side airbags, smart key, HID lights, Stability Control, and a few
other things. (I also wanted a Prius with gray interior instead of
the light tan I have now.) I found a new 2004 Prius locally in August
that had the top ("package 9" $6000) option package, which includes
NAV and a 6-disk stereo, and planned to buy that, but my dad was
intrigued by the NAV in my wife's Accord, so I let him buy that Prius
and I bought his to drive while awaiting my package 7. (This might
read somewhat confusingly; of the 12,000 miles on my Prius, my dad put
on the first 8-9 thousand -- he bought it new-- and I've put on the
rest since the beginning of August.)

I don't need the NAV on two cars. I highly prefer the ease of use of
Honda NAV over Toyota NAV. I love my wife's EX 4-cyl. Accord; she
considers leather & heated seats a must-have; neither is available on
Prius except aftermarket. I'm so happy to have a Toyota again (have
owned many in my life, from Celicas to Land Cruisers), and my first
Honda (automobile, anyway), after driving Ford Explorers for last 10
years (not sure why...they were pretty good vehicles, I must admit,
though). I wish you didn't have to hide the odometer setting on the
Accord to see the outside temp.; and wish it had memory seats and lit
steering wheel buttons...pretty minor complaints. For the Prius, my
wish list would be power seats.

As we're on a Honda NG here, please email me at onerpm@yahoo.com if
you have any more questions you'd like to ask me about the Prius.

Rob

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

Rob wrote:
> "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:<fG20d.288122$UTP.152418@twister01.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers.com>...
>>
>> I would love to here your impressions of your new Prius. This car
>> has me very intrigued.
>>
>> Mike
>
> Mike,
> I think the Prius is a fantastic car. I have almost 12,000 miles on
> it (it's a 2004 model) with no problems other than the dealership
> blowing up the ECU during a software recall/upgrade...they had to keep
> it from Friday to Monday p.m. to get the part to fix it.
>
> I'm averaging close to 50 mpg. in fairly short-trip (6 miles at a
> clip) suburban driving; about 52-53 on the last 3 tanks, when I've
> been trying harder. Quiet, well-built, lots of features and cool
> gizmoes. My car was the cheapest trim line available ($19,995) but
> has power windows & mirrors, climate control, single CD stereo, ABS,
> traction control, lit steering wheel controls of stereo, climate, and
> both defrosters. It is very cool to have the gas engine shut off at
> stoplights or while cruising. The transition off/on is pretty
> seamless, other than an occasional slightly rough shutoff.
>
> I have been on a waiting list since January for another new Prius,
> which I now expect in a month or so, a 2005 model (unchanged from
> 2004) but with a $3000 option package ("package 7") that will give me
> side airbags, smart key, HID lights, Stability Control, and a few
> other things. (I also wanted a Prius with gray interior instead of
> the light tan I have now.) I found a new 2004 Prius locally in August
> that had the top ("package 9" $6000) option package, which includes
> NAV and a 6-disk stereo, and planned to buy that, but my dad was
> intrigued by the NAV in my wife's Accord, so I let him buy that Prius
> and I bought his to drive while awaiting my package 7. (This might
> read somewhat confusingly; of the 12,000 miles on my Prius, my dad put
> on the first 8-9 thousand -- he bought it new-- and I've put on the
> rest since the beginning of August.)
>
> I don't need the NAV on two cars. I highly prefer the ease of use of
> Honda NAV over Toyota NAV. I love my wife's EX 4-cyl. Accord; she
> considers leather & heated seats a must-have; neither is available on
> Prius except aftermarket. I'm so happy to have a Toyota again (have
> owned many in my life, from Celicas to Land Cruisers), and my first
> Honda (automobile, anyway), after driving Ford Explorers for last 10
> years (not sure why...they were pretty good vehicles, I must admit,
> though). I wish you didn't have to hide the odometer setting on the
> Accord to see the outside temp.; and wish it had memory seats and lit
> steering wheel buttons...pretty minor complaints. For the Prius, my
> wish list would be power seats.
>
> As we're on a Honda NG here, please email me at onerpm@yahoo.com if
> you have any more questions you'd like to ask me about the Prius.
>
> Rob

Thanks Rob for a most informative reply

The Prius is on my list for the next car and hopefully by then they may
offer leather and a moon roof.

Mike

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

Rob wrote:
> "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:<fG20d.288122$UTP.152418@twister01.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers.com>...
>>
>> I would love to here your impressions of your new Prius. This car
>> has me very intrigued.
>>
>> Mike
>
> Mike,
> I think the Prius is a fantastic car. I have almost 12,000 miles on
> it (it's a 2004 model) with no problems other than the dealership
> blowing up the ECU during a software recall/upgrade...they had to keep
> it from Friday to Monday p.m. to get the part to fix it.
>
> I'm averaging close to 50 mpg. in fairly short-trip (6 miles at a
> clip) suburban driving; about 52-53 on the last 3 tanks, when I've
> been trying harder. Quiet, well-built, lots of features and cool
> gizmoes. My car was the cheapest trim line available ($19,995) but
> has power windows & mirrors, climate control, single CD stereo, ABS,
> traction control, lit steering wheel controls of stereo, climate, and
> both defrosters. It is very cool to have the gas engine shut off at
> stoplights or while cruising. The transition off/on is pretty
> seamless, other than an occasional slightly rough shutoff.
>
> I have been on a waiting list since January for another new Prius,
> which I now expect in a month or so, a 2005 model (unchanged from
> 2004) but with a $3000 option package ("package 7") that will give me
> side airbags, smart key, HID lights, Stability Control, and a few
> other things. (I also wanted a Prius with gray interior instead of
> the light tan I have now.) I found a new 2004 Prius locally in August
> that had the top ("package 9" $6000) option package, which includes
> NAV and a 6-disk stereo, and planned to buy that, but my dad was
> intrigued by the NAV in my wife's Accord, so I let him buy that Prius
> and I bought his to drive while awaiting my package 7. (This might
> read somewhat confusingly; of the 12,000 miles on my Prius, my dad put
> on the first 8-9 thousand -- he bought it new-- and I've put on the
> rest since the beginning of August.)
>
> I don't need the NAV on two cars. I highly prefer the ease of use of
> Honda NAV over Toyota NAV. I love my wife's EX 4-cyl. Accord; she
> considers leather & heated seats a must-have; neither is available on
> Prius except aftermarket. I'm so happy to have a Toyota again (have
> owned many in my life, from Celicas to Land Cruisers), and my first
> Honda (automobile, anyway), after driving Ford Explorers for last 10
> years (not sure why...they were pretty good vehicles, I must admit,
> though). I wish you didn't have to hide the odometer setting on the
> Accord to see the outside temp.; and wish it had memory seats and lit
> steering wheel buttons...pretty minor complaints. For the Prius, my
> wish list would be power seats.
>
> As we're on a Honda NG here, please email me at onerpm@yahoo.com if
> you have any more questions you'd like to ask me about the Prius.
>
> Rob

Thanks Rob for a most informative reply

The Prius is on my list for the next car and hopefully by then they may
offer leather and a moon roof.

Mike

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

"Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<fqSdnXHaq4l9F83cRVn-vw@rogers.com>...> The Prius is on my list for the next car and hopefully by then they may
> offer leather and a moon roof.
>
> Mike

they might have to change the roofline before a moonroof can be put
into the Prius...I've heard that aftermarket companies can't install
them.

As far as leather, Katzkin (katzkin.com) makes a leather kit for the
Prius that many aftermarket installers use...I've read good reviews of
it on Prius groups. I stopped in a local place yesterday and they
quoted me $1200 to install leather, including on all 5 headrests, the
center console lid cover, and the door armrests. $300 more to add
seat heaters to both front seats. I'm contemplating it...however, the
Alcantara (fake suede) upholstery that comes in the Prius (I believe
it is also used on certain BMW's) is growing on me.

A guy who works for me who is 6'2" or so recently bought an '04
accord; he had to pass on the moonroof because it took away too much
headroom.

rob

Re: To sunroof or not to sunroof
 

"Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<fqSdnXHaq4l9F83cRVn-vw@rogers.com>...> The Prius is on my list for the next car and hopefully by then they may
> offer leather and a moon roof.
>
> Mike

they might have to change the roofline before a moonroof can be put
into the Prius...I've heard that aftermarket companies can't install
them.

As far as leather, Katzkin (katzkin.com) makes a leather kit for the
Prius that many aftermarket installers use...I've read good reviews of
it on Prius groups. I stopped in a local place yesterday and they
quoted me $1200 to install leather, including on all 5 headrests, the
center console lid cover, and the door armrests. $300 more to add
seat heaters to both front seats. I'm contemplating it...however, the
Alcantara (fake suede) upholstery that comes in the Prius (I believe
it is also used on certain BMW's) is growing on me.

A guy who works for me who is 6'2" or so recently bought an '04
accord; he had to pass on the moonroof because it took away too much
headroom.

rob