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Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:51:08 +0000
Richard Heathfield <rjh@see.sig.invalid> wrote: > Janice said: > > <snip> > > > Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter > > through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. > > How do you know? > Leprechauns told her... |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:39:02 -0500, kwatq wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:26:47 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote: > > >> I've worked for an electrical utility for over 20 years and been in >> communications for over 35 years (my original FCC radiotelephone license >> was issued in 1969). A couple years ago I attended a mandatory all day >> RF safety in-service. Funny how the professionals never mention anything >> like that site does. > > It's a question of "whose ox is gored". > > > >> The connection between power frequency EM fields and cancer has been a >> hot topic since 1979, since it was noticed electrical workers had nearly >> twice the average rate of two brain cancers - gliomas and astrocytomas. >> The epidemiological evidence spurred a flurry of studies, the largest >> and lengthiest completed only a year or two ago. They came up with the >> same conclusion; there is no causal relationship. Electrical effects >> have never been a legitimate suspect in leukemia - it's hard to tell >> where he came up with that weird idea. > > Probably the studies done on children in California and maybe Alberta. Are > you saying the researchers are corrupt? Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:39:02 -0500, kwatq wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:26:47 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote: > > >> I've worked for an electrical utility for over 20 years and been in >> communications for over 35 years (my original FCC radiotelephone license >> was issued in 1969). A couple years ago I attended a mandatory all day >> RF safety in-service. Funny how the professionals never mention anything >> like that site does. > > It's a question of "whose ox is gored". > > > >> The connection between power frequency EM fields and cancer has been a >> hot topic since 1979, since it was noticed electrical workers had nearly >> twice the average rate of two brain cancers - gliomas and astrocytomas. >> The epidemiological evidence spurred a flurry of studies, the largest >> and lengthiest completed only a year or two ago. They came up with the >> same conclusion; there is no causal relationship. Electrical effects >> have never been a legitimate suspect in leukemia - it's hard to tell >> where he came up with that weird idea. > > Probably the studies done on children in California and maybe Alberta. Are > you saying the researchers are corrupt? Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:39:02 -0500, kwatq wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:26:47 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote: > > >> I've worked for an electrical utility for over 20 years and been in >> communications for over 35 years (my original FCC radiotelephone license >> was issued in 1969). A couple years ago I attended a mandatory all day >> RF safety in-service. Funny how the professionals never mention anything >> like that site does. > > It's a question of "whose ox is gored". > > > >> The connection between power frequency EM fields and cancer has been a >> hot topic since 1979, since it was noticed electrical workers had nearly >> twice the average rate of two brain cancers - gliomas and astrocytomas. >> The epidemiological evidence spurred a flurry of studies, the largest >> and lengthiest completed only a year or two ago. They came up with the >> same conclusion; there is no causal relationship. Electrical effects >> have never been a legitimate suspect in leukemia - it's hard to tell >> where he came up with that weird idea. > > Probably the studies done on children in California and maybe Alberta. Are > you saying the researchers are corrupt? Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
Janice said:
<snip> > Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter > through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. How do you know? -- Richard Heathfield "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk email: rjh at the above domain, - www. |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
Janice said:
<snip> > Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter > through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. How do you know? -- Richard Heathfield "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk email: rjh at the above domain, - www. |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
Janice said:
<snip> > Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter > through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. How do you know? -- Richard Heathfield "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk email: rjh at the above domain, - www. |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
"Janice" <Janice.Newmanxyz@xyz.com> wrote in message
news:ek3ng6$rqo$1@news.datemas.de... > > Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter > through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. > > This subject has been more heavily studied than just about any other in the last quarter century; partly because it is easy to study, partly because the implications are so profound, and partly because so much money is involved. The conclusion is perfectly clear now - no form of electricity or of EM fields below the visible spectrum is associated with the development of any form of cancer. The brain cancer rumor is a holdover from the original concern in 1979 I cited. The epidemiological evidence suggested a strong link between two forms of brain cancer and something in the lifestyles of electrical workers in one study. The concern (assumption among the unscientific) was that close exposure to strong electric or EM fields was the key. In the end it turned out to be a statistical cluster. How electric meters came to be a bugbear in this is anybody's guess. The older ones are very tiny electric motors, much lower power than the ones in bathroom ceiling fans. The modern ones aren't even that, but are electronic recorders. They are way down on the list of EM sources in the home. One of the challenges of cancer research is that cancer is so prevalent. One out of every four of us can expect to contract some form of cancer in his or her life. It leads to the horror stories of "so-and-so had an oak tree in his yard for just five years and he came down with colon cancer." Since the average household has around four people, we can expect cancer to strike most homes in any neighborhood without anything unusual going on. Mike |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
"Janice" <Janice.Newmanxyz@xyz.com> wrote in message
news:ek3ng6$rqo$1@news.datemas.de... > > Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter > through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. > > This subject has been more heavily studied than just about any other in the last quarter century; partly because it is easy to study, partly because the implications are so profound, and partly because so much money is involved. The conclusion is perfectly clear now - no form of electricity or of EM fields below the visible spectrum is associated with the development of any form of cancer. The brain cancer rumor is a holdover from the original concern in 1979 I cited. The epidemiological evidence suggested a strong link between two forms of brain cancer and something in the lifestyles of electrical workers in one study. The concern (assumption among the unscientific) was that close exposure to strong electric or EM fields was the key. In the end it turned out to be a statistical cluster. How electric meters came to be a bugbear in this is anybody's guess. The older ones are very tiny electric motors, much lower power than the ones in bathroom ceiling fans. The modern ones aren't even that, but are electronic recorders. They are way down on the list of EM sources in the home. One of the challenges of cancer research is that cancer is so prevalent. One out of every four of us can expect to contract some form of cancer in his or her life. It leads to the horror stories of "so-and-so had an oak tree in his yard for just five years and he came down with colon cancer." Since the average household has around four people, we can expect cancer to strike most homes in any neighborhood without anything unusual going on. Mike |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
"Janice" <Janice.Newmanxyz@xyz.com> wrote in message
news:ek3ng6$rqo$1@news.datemas.de... > > Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter > through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. > > This subject has been more heavily studied than just about any other in the last quarter century; partly because it is easy to study, partly because the implications are so profound, and partly because so much money is involved. The conclusion is perfectly clear now - no form of electricity or of EM fields below the visible spectrum is associated with the development of any form of cancer. The brain cancer rumor is a holdover from the original concern in 1979 I cited. The epidemiological evidence suggested a strong link between two forms of brain cancer and something in the lifestyles of electrical workers in one study. The concern (assumption among the unscientific) was that close exposure to strong electric or EM fields was the key. In the end it turned out to be a statistical cluster. How electric meters came to be a bugbear in this is anybody's guess. The older ones are very tiny electric motors, much lower power than the ones in bathroom ceiling fans. The modern ones aren't even that, but are electronic recorders. They are way down on the list of EM sources in the home. One of the challenges of cancer research is that cancer is so prevalent. One out of every four of us can expect to contract some form of cancer in his or her life. It leads to the horror stories of "so-and-so had an oak tree in his yard for just five years and he came down with colon cancer." Since the average household has around four people, we can expect cancer to strike most homes in any neighborhood without anything unusual going on. Mike |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:41:05 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: >"Janice" <Janice.Newmanxyz@xyz.com> wrote in message >news:ek3ng6$rqo$1@news.datemas.de... >> >> Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter >> through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. >> >> > >This subject has been more heavily studied than just about any other in the >last quarter century; partly because it is easy to study, partly because the >implications are so profound, and partly because so much money is involved. >The conclusion is perfectly clear now - no form of electricity or of EM >fields below the visible spectrum is associated with the development of any >form of cancer. I would worry about cell phones. They now admit that cell phone radiation will cause a heating of a portion of the brain. A recent news clip I saw, said that it may cause some involuntary muscle spasms , like you suddenly getting twitch in your arm. Google for "cell phone egg cooking". If it's cooking your cells, there has got to be a risk. It will be interesting to see in 30 years or so, the statistics for brain abnormalities for heavy cell users. There is so much money it, and people want the mobility so much, that they will accept the risk. It's far more likely a car accident will kill you, than any EM radiation, yet people don't want to give cars up either. So working with a computer daily from home, is probably safer than commuting to work. Of course, if you commute to a cubicle, and sit in front of a screen all day, next to the server rack, you are SOL. :-) -- I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. http://zentara.net/japh.html |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:41:05 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: >"Janice" <Janice.Newmanxyz@xyz.com> wrote in message >news:ek3ng6$rqo$1@news.datemas.de... >> >> Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter >> through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. >> >> > >This subject has been more heavily studied than just about any other in the >last quarter century; partly because it is easy to study, partly because the >implications are so profound, and partly because so much money is involved. >The conclusion is perfectly clear now - no form of electricity or of EM >fields below the visible spectrum is associated with the development of any >form of cancer. I would worry about cell phones. They now admit that cell phone radiation will cause a heating of a portion of the brain. A recent news clip I saw, said that it may cause some involuntary muscle spasms , like you suddenly getting twitch in your arm. Google for "cell phone egg cooking". If it's cooking your cells, there has got to be a risk. It will be interesting to see in 30 years or so, the statistics for brain abnormalities for heavy cell users. There is so much money it, and people want the mobility so much, that they will accept the risk. It's far more likely a car accident will kill you, than any EM radiation, yet people don't want to give cars up either. So working with a computer daily from home, is probably safer than commuting to work. Of course, if you commute to a cubicle, and sit in front of a screen all day, next to the server rack, you are SOL. :-) -- I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. http://zentara.net/japh.html |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:41:05 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: >"Janice" <Janice.Newmanxyz@xyz.com> wrote in message >news:ek3ng6$rqo$1@news.datemas.de... >> >> Children (or adults) should never sleep next to a domestic power meter >> through the wall or not. It causes brain cancer. >> >> > >This subject has been more heavily studied than just about any other in the >last quarter century; partly because it is easy to study, partly because the >implications are so profound, and partly because so much money is involved. >The conclusion is perfectly clear now - no form of electricity or of EM >fields below the visible spectrum is associated with the development of any >form of cancer. I would worry about cell phones. They now admit that cell phone radiation will cause a heating of a portion of the brain. A recent news clip I saw, said that it may cause some involuntary muscle spasms , like you suddenly getting twitch in your arm. Google for "cell phone egg cooking". If it's cooking your cells, there has got to be a risk. It will be interesting to see in 30 years or so, the statistics for brain abnormalities for heavy cell users. There is so much money it, and people want the mobility so much, that they will accept the risk. It's far more likely a car accident will kill you, than any EM radiation, yet people don't want to give cars up either. So working with a computer daily from home, is probably safer than commuting to work. Of course, if you commute to a cubicle, and sit in front of a screen all day, next to the server rack, you are SOL. :-) -- I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. http://zentara.net/japh.html |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
"zentara" <zentara@highstream.net> wrote in message
news:ih5em25t9hovu0evor0kljn6f84revo5jl@4ax.com... > > I would worry about cell phones. They now admit that cell phone > radiation will cause a heating of a portion of the brain. A recent > news clip I saw, said that it may cause some involuntary muscle > spasms , like you suddenly getting twitch in your arm. > Don't worry about it. Cell phone power levels are more than an order of magnitude too low to cause significant heating of the brain; walking in the sunshine is much more significant. Imagine - we expose ourselves to the radiation of a thermonuclear reaction so intense it heats our skin and will severely burn it after only a few hours of exposure, yet we live. You are right about the heating effects of RF, though. The two big concerns are the eyes and testicles. Both are the "right" size to absorb RF in the microwave range and both are sensitive to heat. Heating of the testicles can cause temporary or permanent sterility while heating of the eye can cause cataracts. The eye is especially susceptible because there is no circulation to cool the interior of the eye. Heating cooks proteins in the lens to produce cataracts, and that is the primary focus of the FCC rules for exposure. Sterility is more theoretical. My father was a radar tech in WWII (he had a Marine with a .45 assigned to him to "protect the country's secrets"). He told me about the many times he warmed himself in front of the radar dishes and that he was told he would be sterile. That was before my four brothers and I were born. I realize this is an international forum and other countries have different regulations, but here in the US the FCC is very aggressive about exposure limits. The FCC gets major funding through fines and will jump on any possibility of excessive exposure. The relevant document for exposure limits is available on the web at http://www.rfsafety.com/oet65.pdf For cell phones, look at pages 45 - 48. Mike |
Re: This_shall_shiver_your_timbers
"zentara" <zentara@highstream.net> wrote in message
news:ih5em25t9hovu0evor0kljn6f84revo5jl@4ax.com... > > I would worry about cell phones. They now admit that cell phone > radiation will cause a heating of a portion of the brain. A recent > news clip I saw, said that it may cause some involuntary muscle > spasms , like you suddenly getting twitch in your arm. > Don't worry about it. Cell phone power levels are more than an order of magnitude too low to cause significant heating of the brain; walking in the sunshine is much more significant. Imagine - we expose ourselves to the radiation of a thermonuclear reaction so intense it heats our skin and will severely burn it after only a few hours of exposure, yet we live. You are right about the heating effects of RF, though. The two big concerns are the eyes and testicles. Both are the "right" size to absorb RF in the microwave range and both are sensitive to heat. Heating of the testicles can cause temporary or permanent sterility while heating of the eye can cause cataracts. The eye is especially susceptible because there is no circulation to cool the interior of the eye. Heating cooks proteins in the lens to produce cataracts, and that is the primary focus of the FCC rules for exposure. Sterility is more theoretical. My father was a radar tech in WWII (he had a Marine with a .45 assigned to him to "protect the country's secrets"). He told me about the many times he warmed himself in front of the radar dishes and that he was told he would be sterile. That was before my four brothers and I were born. I realize this is an international forum and other countries have different regulations, but here in the US the FCC is very aggressive about exposure limits. The FCC gets major funding through fines and will jump on any possibility of excessive exposure. The relevant document for exposure limits is available on the web at http://www.rfsafety.com/oet65.pdf For cell phones, look at pages 45 - 48. Mike |
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