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Re: Timing Belt!
"Ferny" <1fern1@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ZOOdnTBgwfySh5jcRVn-rw@comcast.com... : : "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message : news:RG8Nc.15811$mL5.521@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net... : > Get the new timing belt. Elaboration: : > : > The shop is right that the timing belt is due for replacement, assuming : it's : > never been replaced before. This is in your owner's manual, if you still : have : > it. : > : > My online sources indicate your 1997 Accord most likely has what's called : an : > "interference engine." This means that, should the timing belt suddenly : fail, : > the engine's valves, which admit and exhaust fuel and air and exhaust : gases, : > will likely be damaged. To repair this is extremely expensive. : > : > More, from a kindly other Usenet poster a few years ago: : > : > "An 'interference engine' means that the valves extend down into the area : > that the piston sweeps. This means that if the timing belt breaks : > which stops the camshaft leaving some valves extended, they will be hit : > by the piston when it comes up next time. Since engines don't stop : > instantly when the belt breaks, this guarantees at least some bent : > valves and maybe some holes punched in pistons or bent connecting rods." : > : > If the price quoted is a dealer service department price, you might be : able to : > get this done more cheaply (couple hundred dollars less, maybe) at a : non-dealer : > shop. Call around, if you have time. It's an item that is frequently : quoted by : > shops, as they're well acquainted with this maintenance. : > : > If you post again, please provide as much info about the type of Accord : you : > have: Is it DX, LX, or something else? : : Sure thing Caroline, at this point all I opted for was an oilchange lol! : When I get the car back I'll post more about it. I really do have the cash : to throw down for this robbery, errr, I mean maintenance, but I want to be : sure it's well worth it. On that note I owe it to myself to at least try to : find a better deal out there. The car: 2 door coupe, LX, 4 cylinder. Not : sure about the engine displacement though. : : It is not an easy task, believe me. You need more than just a few tools. I found a small Honda shop and they have a rate of 60/hr or something like that. I ordered all the parts online -around 100 for belt, seals, water pump, 3 exterior belts, all gaskets, antifreeze and thermostat (optional) from hparts.com. My mechanic charged me 3 hrs of labor, using all my OEM parts. Total expense: 300.00 |
Re: Timing Belt!
"Ferny" <1fern1@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ZOOdnTBgwfySh5jcRVn-rw@comcast.com... : : "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message : news:RG8Nc.15811$mL5.521@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net... : > Get the new timing belt. Elaboration: : > : > The shop is right that the timing belt is due for replacement, assuming : it's : > never been replaced before. This is in your owner's manual, if you still : have : > it. : > : > My online sources indicate your 1997 Accord most likely has what's called : an : > "interference engine." This means that, should the timing belt suddenly : fail, : > the engine's valves, which admit and exhaust fuel and air and exhaust : gases, : > will likely be damaged. To repair this is extremely expensive. : > : > More, from a kindly other Usenet poster a few years ago: : > : > "An 'interference engine' means that the valves extend down into the area : > that the piston sweeps. This means that if the timing belt breaks : > which stops the camshaft leaving some valves extended, they will be hit : > by the piston when it comes up next time. Since engines don't stop : > instantly when the belt breaks, this guarantees at least some bent : > valves and maybe some holes punched in pistons or bent connecting rods." : > : > If the price quoted is a dealer service department price, you might be : able to : > get this done more cheaply (couple hundred dollars less, maybe) at a : non-dealer : > shop. Call around, if you have time. It's an item that is frequently : quoted by : > shops, as they're well acquainted with this maintenance. : > : > If you post again, please provide as much info about the type of Accord : you : > have: Is it DX, LX, or something else? : : Sure thing Caroline, at this point all I opted for was an oilchange lol! : When I get the car back I'll post more about it. I really do have the cash : to throw down for this robbery, errr, I mean maintenance, but I want to be : sure it's well worth it. On that note I owe it to myself to at least try to : find a better deal out there. The car: 2 door coupe, LX, 4 cylinder. Not : sure about the engine displacement though. : : It is not an easy task, believe me. You need more than just a few tools. I found a small Honda shop and they have a rate of 60/hr or something like that. I ordered all the parts online -around 100 for belt, seals, water pump, 3 exterior belts, all gaskets, antifreeze and thermostat (optional) from hparts.com. My mechanic charged me 3 hrs of labor, using all my OEM parts. Total expense: 300.00 |
Re: Timing Belt!
Like I said I did it on a suzuki. I had to lossen one motor mount and
remove all the pulley's and stuff of the engine then remove the timing belt cover... not too hard. obviously the Honda is different. "Bob S." <bsnoma@msn.com> wrote in message news:%u9Nc.23715$WP1.372@fe1.texas.rr.com... > > "Ferny" <1fern1@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:ZOOdnTBgwfySh5jcRVn-rw@comcast.com... > : > : "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > : news:RG8Nc.15811$mL5.521@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > : > Get the new timing belt. Elaboration: > : > > : > The shop is right that the timing belt is due for replacement, assuming > : it's > : > never been replaced before. This is in your owner's manual, if you still > : have > : > it. > : > > : > My online sources indicate your 1997 Accord most likely has what's > called > : an > : > "interference engine." This means that, should the timing belt suddenly > : fail, > : > the engine's valves, which admit and exhaust fuel and air and exhaust > : gases, > : > will likely be damaged. To repair this is extremely expensive. > : > > : > More, from a kindly other Usenet poster a few years ago: > : > > : > "An 'interference engine' means that the valves extend down into the > area > : > that the piston sweeps. This means that if the timing belt breaks > : > which stops the camshaft leaving some valves extended, they will be hit > : > by the piston when it comes up next time. Since engines don't stop > : > instantly when the belt breaks, this guarantees at least some bent > : > valves and maybe some holes punched in pistons or bent connecting rods." > : > > : > If the price quoted is a dealer service department price, you might be > : able to > : > get this done more cheaply (couple hundred dollars less, maybe) at a > : non-dealer > : > shop. Call around, if you have time. It's an item that is frequently > : quoted by > : > shops, as they're well acquainted with this maintenance. > : > > : > If you post again, please provide as much info about the type of Accord > : you > : > have: Is it DX, LX, or something else? > : > : Sure thing Caroline, at this point all I opted for was an oilchange lol! > : When I get the car back I'll post more about it. I really do have the cash > : to throw down for this robbery, errr, I mean maintenance, but I want to be > : sure it's well worth it. On that note I owe it to myself to at least try > to > : find a better deal out there. The car: 2 door coupe, LX, 4 cylinder. Not > : sure about the engine displacement though. > : > : > > It is not an easy task, believe me. You need more than just a few tools. I > found a small Honda shop and they have a rate of 60/hr or something like > that. > I ordered all the parts online -around 100 for belt, seals, water pump, 3 > exterior belts, all gaskets, antifreeze and thermostat (optional) from > hparts.com. > My mechanic charged me 3 hrs of labor, using all my OEM parts. Total > expense: 300.00 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 |
Re: Timing Belt!
Like I said I did it on a suzuki. I had to lossen one motor mount and
remove all the pulley's and stuff of the engine then remove the timing belt cover... not too hard. obviously the Honda is different. "Bob S." <bsnoma@msn.com> wrote in message news:%u9Nc.23715$WP1.372@fe1.texas.rr.com... > > "Ferny" <1fern1@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:ZOOdnTBgwfySh5jcRVn-rw@comcast.com... > : > : "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > : news:RG8Nc.15811$mL5.521@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > : > Get the new timing belt. Elaboration: > : > > : > The shop is right that the timing belt is due for replacement, assuming > : it's > : > never been replaced before. This is in your owner's manual, if you still > : have > : > it. > : > > : > My online sources indicate your 1997 Accord most likely has what's > called > : an > : > "interference engine." This means that, should the timing belt suddenly > : fail, > : > the engine's valves, which admit and exhaust fuel and air and exhaust > : gases, > : > will likely be damaged. To repair this is extremely expensive. > : > > : > More, from a kindly other Usenet poster a few years ago: > : > > : > "An 'interference engine' means that the valves extend down into the > area > : > that the piston sweeps. This means that if the timing belt breaks > : > which stops the camshaft leaving some valves extended, they will be hit > : > by the piston when it comes up next time. Since engines don't stop > : > instantly when the belt breaks, this guarantees at least some bent > : > valves and maybe some holes punched in pistons or bent connecting rods." > : > > : > If the price quoted is a dealer service department price, you might be > : able to > : > get this done more cheaply (couple hundred dollars less, maybe) at a > : non-dealer > : > shop. Call around, if you have time. It's an item that is frequently > : quoted by > : > shops, as they're well acquainted with this maintenance. > : > > : > If you post again, please provide as much info about the type of Accord > : you > : > have: Is it DX, LX, or something else? > : > : Sure thing Caroline, at this point all I opted for was an oilchange lol! > : When I get the car back I'll post more about it. I really do have the cash > : to throw down for this robbery, errr, I mean maintenance, but I want to be > : sure it's well worth it. On that note I owe it to myself to at least try > to > : find a better deal out there. The car: 2 door coupe, LX, 4 cylinder. Not > : sure about the engine displacement though. > : > : > > It is not an easy task, believe me. You need more than just a few tools. I > found a small Honda shop and they have a rate of 60/hr or something like > that. > I ordered all the parts online -around 100 for belt, seals, water pump, 3 > exterior belts, all gaskets, antifreeze and thermostat (optional) from > hparts.com. > My mechanic charged me 3 hrs of labor, using all my OEM parts. Total > expense: 300.00 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 |
Re: Timing Belt!
"Bob S." <bsnoma@msn.com> wrote
> "Ferny" <1fern1@comcast.net> wrote > : Sure thing Caroline, at this point all I opted for was an oilchange lol! The car's getting old. Here in mid-life, a few major expenditures are necessary to make it last. :-) > : When I get the car back I'll post more about it. I really do have the cash > : to throw down for this robbery, errr, I mean maintenance, but I want to be > : sure it's well worth it. On that note I owe it to myself to at least try > to > : find a better deal out there. The car: 2 door coupe, LX, 4 cylinder. Not > : sure about the engine displacement though. > : > : > > It is not an easy task, believe me. You need more than just a few tools. I > found a small Honda shop and they have a rate of 60/hr or something like > that. > I ordered all the parts online -around 100 for belt, seals, water pump, 3 > exterior belts, all gaskets, antifreeze and thermostat (optional) from > hparts.com. > My mechanic charged me 3 hrs of labor, using all my OEM parts. Total > expense: 300.00 Bob's right that this is not an easy task on Hondas. One should have a fair amount of mechanical experience before attempting it. I managed to remove and re-install the timing belt on my 91 Civic a few weeks ago, as part of a crank seal replacement, but I researched the matter for months and had a lot of help, particularly with the crankshaft bolt removal, from this newsgroup. What the shops, even the dealer, charge for this is really not robbery, IMO. Changing the timing belt is pretty intense work. $600 is not the worst I've seen, but I've seen better, too. I also echo Bob's suggestion about buying the parts online. Majestic auto parts online is pretty competitive with other online parts sites for a job like this. Online parts prices are much better than any price I could get locally. For Majestic, see http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...catdisplay.jsp . I used Majestic recently and was pleased. For your reference, my googling indicates that your 2-Door LX Accord Coupe (2.2 liter, if my sources are correct) is an interference engine. |
Re: Timing Belt!
"Bob S." <bsnoma@msn.com> wrote
> "Ferny" <1fern1@comcast.net> wrote > : Sure thing Caroline, at this point all I opted for was an oilchange lol! The car's getting old. Here in mid-life, a few major expenditures are necessary to make it last. :-) > : When I get the car back I'll post more about it. I really do have the cash > : to throw down for this robbery, errr, I mean maintenance, but I want to be > : sure it's well worth it. On that note I owe it to myself to at least try > to > : find a better deal out there. The car: 2 door coupe, LX, 4 cylinder. Not > : sure about the engine displacement though. > : > : > > It is not an easy task, believe me. You need more than just a few tools. I > found a small Honda shop and they have a rate of 60/hr or something like > that. > I ordered all the parts online -around 100 for belt, seals, water pump, 3 > exterior belts, all gaskets, antifreeze and thermostat (optional) from > hparts.com. > My mechanic charged me 3 hrs of labor, using all my OEM parts. Total > expense: 300.00 Bob's right that this is not an easy task on Hondas. One should have a fair amount of mechanical experience before attempting it. I managed to remove and re-install the timing belt on my 91 Civic a few weeks ago, as part of a crank seal replacement, but I researched the matter for months and had a lot of help, particularly with the crankshaft bolt removal, from this newsgroup. What the shops, even the dealer, charge for this is really not robbery, IMO. Changing the timing belt is pretty intense work. $600 is not the worst I've seen, but I've seen better, too. I also echo Bob's suggestion about buying the parts online. Majestic auto parts online is pretty competitive with other online parts sites for a job like this. Online parts prices are much better than any price I could get locally. For Majestic, see http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...catdisplay.jsp . I used Majestic recently and was pleased. For your reference, my googling indicates that your 2-Door LX Accord Coupe (2.2 liter, if my sources are correct) is an interference engine. |
Re: Timing Belt!
With a 7 year old Honda, you have to worry about 1:\ rusted nuts 2:\ how to
remove the timing belt cover, 3.\ tight space 4.\ how to loosen and tighten the huge flywheel nut. This means you will need some tools a layman won't have like a flexible socket drive, a long Johnson bar or air tools, socket extensions, jack stands. I replaced mine (95 Odyssey) plus the water pump in 4 hours as a first time experience without any air tools. "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:Rg9Nc.513$zyJ1.494@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com... > I've never changed a Honda timing belt but I have done it twice before on a > Suzuki Swift GT that had a dual overhead cam engine. I found it to be quite > easy job with basic hand tools. Maybe you can do it yourself with the > assistance of a service manual. > > > "Ferny" <1fern1@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:ZOOdnTBgwfySh5jcRVn-rw@comcast.com... > > > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:RG8Nc.15811$mL5.521@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > > > Get the new timing belt. Elaboration: > > > > > > The shop is right that the timing belt is due for replacement, assuming > > it's > > > never been replaced before. This is in your owner's manual, if you still > > have > > > it. > > > > > > My online sources indicate your 1997 Accord most likely has what's > called > > an > > > "interference engine." This means that, should the timing belt suddenly > > fail, > > > the engine's valves, which admit and exhaust fuel and air and exhaust > > gases, > > > will likely be damaged. To repair this is extremely expensive. > > > > > > More, from a kindly other Usenet poster a few years ago: > > > > > > "An 'interference engine' means that the valves extend down into the > area > > > that the piston sweeps. This means that if the timing belt breaks > > > which stops the camshaft leaving some valves extended, they will be hit > > > by the piston when it comes up next time. Since engines don't stop > > > instantly when the belt breaks, this guarantees at least some bent > > > valves and maybe some holes punched in pistons or bent connecting rods." > > > > > > If the price quoted is a dealer service department price, you might be > > able to > > > get this done more cheaply (couple hundred dollars less, maybe) at a > > non-dealer > > > shop. Call around, if you have time. It's an item that is frequently > > quoted by > > > shops, as they're well acquainted with this maintenance. > > > > > > If you post again, please provide as much info about the type of Accord > > you > > > have: Is it DX, LX, or something else? > > > > Sure thing Caroline, at this point all I opted for was an oilchange lol! > > When I get the car back I'll post more about it. I really do have the cash > > to throw down for this robbery, errr, I mean maintenance, but I want to be > > sure it's well worth it. On that note I owe it to myself to at least try > to > > find a better deal out there. The car: 2 door coupe, LX, 4 cylinder. Not > > sure about the engine displacement though. > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 > > |
Re: Timing Belt!
With a 7 year old Honda, you have to worry about 1:\ rusted nuts 2:\ how to
remove the timing belt cover, 3.\ tight space 4.\ how to loosen and tighten the huge flywheel nut. This means you will need some tools a layman won't have like a flexible socket drive, a long Johnson bar or air tools, socket extensions, jack stands. I replaced mine (95 Odyssey) plus the water pump in 4 hours as a first time experience without any air tools. "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:Rg9Nc.513$zyJ1.494@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com... > I've never changed a Honda timing belt but I have done it twice before on a > Suzuki Swift GT that had a dual overhead cam engine. I found it to be quite > easy job with basic hand tools. Maybe you can do it yourself with the > assistance of a service manual. > > > "Ferny" <1fern1@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:ZOOdnTBgwfySh5jcRVn-rw@comcast.com... > > > > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:RG8Nc.15811$mL5.521@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > > > Get the new timing belt. Elaboration: > > > > > > The shop is right that the timing belt is due for replacement, assuming > > it's > > > never been replaced before. This is in your owner's manual, if you still > > have > > > it. > > > > > > My online sources indicate your 1997 Accord most likely has what's > called > > an > > > "interference engine." This means that, should the timing belt suddenly > > fail, > > > the engine's valves, which admit and exhaust fuel and air and exhaust > > gases, > > > will likely be damaged. To repair this is extremely expensive. > > > > > > More, from a kindly other Usenet poster a few years ago: > > > > > > "An 'interference engine' means that the valves extend down into the > area > > > that the piston sweeps. This means that if the timing belt breaks > > > which stops the camshaft leaving some valves extended, they will be hit > > > by the piston when it comes up next time. Since engines don't stop > > > instantly when the belt breaks, this guarantees at least some bent > > > valves and maybe some holes punched in pistons or bent connecting rods." > > > > > > If the price quoted is a dealer service department price, you might be > > able to > > > get this done more cheaply (couple hundred dollars less, maybe) at a > > non-dealer > > > shop. Call around, if you have time. It's an item that is frequently > > quoted by > > > shops, as they're well acquainted with this maintenance. > > > > > > If you post again, please provide as much info about the type of Accord > > you > > > have: Is it DX, LX, or something else? > > > > Sure thing Caroline, at this point all I opted for was an oilchange lol! > > When I get the car back I'll post more about it. I really do have the cash > > to throw down for this robbery, errr, I mean maintenance, but I want to be > > sure it's well worth it. On that note I owe it to myself to at least try > to > > find a better deal out there. The car: 2 door coupe, LX, 4 cylinder. Not > > sure about the engine displacement though. > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 > > |
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