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Re: Timing Belt Question
Thank you all who replied, it is very interesting to hear all the answers
"RJ" <cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:w_BUd.5683$xm5.1320@fe1.columbus.rr.com... >I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can >last in a 2000 Accord LX ? > > I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it > still safe ? > > Thanks > > |
Re: Timing Belt Question
Thank you all who replied, it is very interesting to hear all the answers
"RJ" <cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:w_BUd.5683$xm5.1320@fe1.columbus.rr.com... >I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can >last in a 2000 Accord LX ? > > I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it > still safe ? > > Thanks > > |
Re: Timing Belt Question
Let me quote a "Warning" from my Honda Accord maintained book.
Severe engine damage will occur if the timing belt should break. Honda uses an "interference" engine design. If the timing belt breaks, the valves will contact the pistons and likely become damaged. I had my Passport in the shop today, Passports are badge engineered Isuzu, I was told that the book says it's time to change the timing belt, then I was asked is it 4 or 6 cylinder? I said 6. I was told that the 6 is not an "interference" engine so we can let it slide. There is a time to gamble and a time not to gamble. On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:59:54 GMT, "RJ" <cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote: >Thank you all who replied, it is very interesting to hear all the answers > >"RJ" <cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:w_BUd.5683$xm5.1320@fe1.columbus.rr.com... >>I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can >>last in a 2000 Accord LX ? >> >> I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it >> still safe ? >> >> Thanks >> >> > |
Re: Timing Belt Question
Let me quote a "Warning" from my Honda Accord maintained book.
Severe engine damage will occur if the timing belt should break. Honda uses an "interference" engine design. If the timing belt breaks, the valves will contact the pistons and likely become damaged. I had my Passport in the shop today, Passports are badge engineered Isuzu, I was told that the book says it's time to change the timing belt, then I was asked is it 4 or 6 cylinder? I said 6. I was told that the 6 is not an "interference" engine so we can let it slide. There is a time to gamble and a time not to gamble. On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:59:54 GMT, "RJ" <cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote: >Thank you all who replied, it is very interesting to hear all the answers > >"RJ" <cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:w_BUd.5683$xm5.1320@fe1.columbus.rr.com... >>I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can >>last in a 2000 Accord LX ? >> >> I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it >> still safe ? >> >> Thanks >> >> > |
Re: Timing Belt Question
<chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:m8ad21t2uvufe4uo5173j1kkbckbujjet6@4ax.com... > I had my Passport in the shop today, Passports are badge engineered > Isuzu, I was told that the book says it's time to change the timing > belt, then I was asked is it 4 or 6 cylinder? I said 6. I was told > that the 6 is not an "interference" engine so we can let it slide. > > There is a time to gamble and a time not to gamble. > > That is a valid sentiment. This question has come up several times in the alt.autos.volvo group, since many Volvos from the 80s (like mine) are non-interference. The question comes down to: one of whether the inconvenience of having to replace a failed belt (not getting where you are wanting to go on time, probably having the car towed, not having the car for an unplanned day or two while it is being worked into a schedule and parts acquired) is more important than the potential savings of stretching the change interval. The upshot: to each their own. Personally, I change mine roughly on schedule. Mike |
Re: Timing Belt Question
<chasa@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:m8ad21t2uvufe4uo5173j1kkbckbujjet6@4ax.com... > I had my Passport in the shop today, Passports are badge engineered > Isuzu, I was told that the book says it's time to change the timing > belt, then I was asked is it 4 or 6 cylinder? I said 6. I was told > that the 6 is not an "interference" engine so we can let it slide. > > There is a time to gamble and a time not to gamble. > > That is a valid sentiment. This question has come up several times in the alt.autos.volvo group, since many Volvos from the 80s (like mine) are non-interference. The question comes down to: one of whether the inconvenience of having to replace a failed belt (not getting where you are wanting to go on time, probably having the car towed, not having the car for an unplanned day or two while it is being worked into a schedule and parts acquired) is more important than the potential savings of stretching the change interval. The upshot: to each their own. Personally, I change mine roughly on schedule. Mike |
Re: Timing Belt Question
chasa@rcn.com wrote:
> Let me quote a "Warning" from my Honda Accord maintained book. > > Severe engine damage will occur if the timing belt should break. > Honda uses an "interference" engine design. If the timing belt > breaks, the valves will contact the pistons and likely become damaged. > > I had my Passport in the shop today, Passports are badge engineered > Isuzu, I was told that the book says it's time to change the timing > belt, then I was asked is it 4 or 6 cylinder? I said 6. I was told > that the 6 is not an "interference" engine so we can let it slide. > > There is a time to gamble and a time not to gamble. That may be true. But if it says it is time to change the belt, then it is time to change the belt. You'll end up having to do it now at some very inconvenient time in your life, according to Murphy. |
Re: Timing Belt Question
chasa@rcn.com wrote:
> Let me quote a "Warning" from my Honda Accord maintained book. > > Severe engine damage will occur if the timing belt should break. > Honda uses an "interference" engine design. If the timing belt > breaks, the valves will contact the pistons and likely become damaged. > > I had my Passport in the shop today, Passports are badge engineered > Isuzu, I was told that the book says it's time to change the timing > belt, then I was asked is it 4 or 6 cylinder? I said 6. I was told > that the 6 is not an "interference" engine so we can let it slide. > > There is a time to gamble and a time not to gamble. That may be true. But if it says it is time to change the belt, then it is time to change the belt. You'll end up having to do it now at some very inconvenient time in your life, according to Murphy. |
Re: Timing Belt Question
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:02:04 GMT, "RJ"
<cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote: >I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can >last in a 2000 Accord LX ? > >I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it >still safe ? > >Thanks > I have been thru this recently myself. I wrote the 91 Prelude timing belt break. If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't go past 110,000 miles on a timing belt and that's going far past conservative estimate of life expectancy of timing belt. I went 187,000 miles. Now I'm paying over $1000 in engine repairs. I had 4 bent valves and 2 broken valve guides. A local shop is working on the head, looks like about $500. I am taking the engine block to them too and expect that to cost another $300. New timing belt, alternator belt, pwr steering belt - $80 at NAPA. Gasket set - $180 (included oil pan gasket) Tools so far - $75 The car was running like a champ before timing belt broke. I hope to have it back together sometime in May. Luckily I have a 2nd car to drive. Posting this just for info purposes. |
Re: Timing Belt Question
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:02:04 GMT, "RJ"
<cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote: >I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can >last in a 2000 Accord LX ? > >I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it >still safe ? > >Thanks > I have been thru this recently myself. I wrote the 91 Prelude timing belt break. If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't go past 110,000 miles on a timing belt and that's going far past conservative estimate of life expectancy of timing belt. I went 187,000 miles. Now I'm paying over $1000 in engine repairs. I had 4 bent valves and 2 broken valve guides. A local shop is working on the head, looks like about $500. I am taking the engine block to them too and expect that to cost another $300. New timing belt, alternator belt, pwr steering belt - $80 at NAPA. Gasket set - $180 (included oil pan gasket) Tools so far - $75 The car was running like a champ before timing belt broke. I hope to have it back together sometime in May. Luckily I have a 2nd car to drive. Posting this just for info purposes. |
Re: Timing Belt Question
This timing belt debate is an old one. The manufacturer's recommendation
of 60k (or 80k w/some cars) is indeed conservative, but to try to go twice either of those numbers is just plain foolish, not to mention expensive. If it's a car you plan to keep, I would have the T-belt replaced at or before 100k. If it's one you plan to eventually sell, i.e., within the next year or so, I wouldn't spend the money unless the vehicle is mission-critical to your daily tasks and you simply cannot afford to replace the car right now or have it crap out on you unexpectedly. At 120k miles (or more) I would either replace the belt immediately or sell the car immediately. At 120k or greater the original T-belt is, IMO, a ticking bomb. However... Contrary to what the dealership may try to tell you, I don't believe in replacing the T-belt solely based on the age of the car. However, any major work that requires going in that deep, always replace the T-belt and any other nearby 'wear' items while you're there. In article <h1uu41tud1eeimuj5ipdcdssu76tpla14o@4ax.com> san luis <sl@flex.com> writes: >On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:02:04 GMT, "RJ" ><cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote: >>I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can >>last in a 2000 Accord LX ? >>I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it >>still safe ? >>Thanks >I have been thru this recently myself. I wrote the >91 Prelude timing belt break. >If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't go past >110,000 miles on a timing belt and that's going >far past conservative estimate of life expectancy >of timing belt. I went 187,000 miles. Now I'm >paying over $1000 in engine repairs. I had 4 bent >valves and 2 broken valve guides. >A local shop is working on the head, looks like >about $500. I am taking the engine block to them >too and expect that to cost another $300. >New timing belt, alternator belt, pwr steering >belt - $80 at NAPA. >Gasket set - $180 (included oil pan gasket) >Tools so far - $75 >The car was running like a champ before timing >belt broke. I hope to have it back together >sometime in May. Luckily I have a 2nd car to >drive. >Posting this just for info purposes. |
Re: Timing Belt Question
This timing belt debate is an old one. The manufacturer's recommendation
of 60k (or 80k w/some cars) is indeed conservative, but to try to go twice either of those numbers is just plain foolish, not to mention expensive. If it's a car you plan to keep, I would have the T-belt replaced at or before 100k. If it's one you plan to eventually sell, i.e., within the next year or so, I wouldn't spend the money unless the vehicle is mission-critical to your daily tasks and you simply cannot afford to replace the car right now or have it crap out on you unexpectedly. At 120k miles (or more) I would either replace the belt immediately or sell the car immediately. At 120k or greater the original T-belt is, IMO, a ticking bomb. However... Contrary to what the dealership may try to tell you, I don't believe in replacing the T-belt solely based on the age of the car. However, any major work that requires going in that deep, always replace the T-belt and any other nearby 'wear' items while you're there. In article <h1uu41tud1eeimuj5ipdcdssu76tpla14o@4ax.com> san luis <sl@flex.com> writes: >On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:02:04 GMT, "RJ" ><cenrj2@yahoo.com> wrote: >>I want to hear about people's experience about this, how long a timing can >>last in a 2000 Accord LX ? >>I know 80,000 Miles is recommended, but if you go over say 110,000 is it >>still safe ? >>Thanks >I have been thru this recently myself. I wrote the >91 Prelude timing belt break. >If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't go past >110,000 miles on a timing belt and that's going >far past conservative estimate of life expectancy >of timing belt. I went 187,000 miles. Now I'm >paying over $1000 in engine repairs. I had 4 bent >valves and 2 broken valve guides. >A local shop is working on the head, looks like >about $500. I am taking the engine block to them >too and expect that to cost another $300. >New timing belt, alternator belt, pwr steering >belt - $80 at NAPA. >Gasket set - $180 (included oil pan gasket) >Tools so far - $75 >The car was running like a champ before timing >belt broke. I hope to have it back together >sometime in May. Luckily I have a 2nd car to >drive. >Posting this just for info purposes. |
Re: Timing Belt Question
Bubba says...
> However... Contrary to what the dealership may try to > tell you, I don't believe in replacing the T-belt solely > based on the age of the car. However, any major work > that requires going in that deep, always replace the > T-belt and any other nearby 'wear' items while you're > there. How would you feel about a '94 Accord with 48,000 miles? If not now, when? Also, if now, what about related stuff (water pump, etc.) at 48,000 miles? Any need to do that as well? I'll have the car for several more years, at least. |
Re: Timing Belt Question
Bubba says...
> However... Contrary to what the dealership may try to > tell you, I don't believe in replacing the T-belt solely > based on the age of the car. However, any major work > that requires going in that deep, always replace the > T-belt and any other nearby 'wear' items while you're > there. How would you feel about a '94 Accord with 48,000 miles? If not now, when? Also, if now, what about related stuff (water pump, etc.) at 48,000 miles? Any need to do that as well? I'll have the car for several more years, at least. |
Re: Timing Belt Question
"Peabody" <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MaZ3e.106835$SF.59795@lakeread08... > Bubba says... > > > However... Contrary to what the dealership may try to > > tell you, I don't believe in replacing the T-belt solely > > based on the age of the car. However, any major work > > that requires going in that deep, always replace the > > T-belt and any other nearby 'wear' items while you're > > there. > > How would you feel about a '94 Accord with 48,000 miles? If > not now, when? Well, they say in addition to mileage, 5 or 6 years, which you are well over. Sometimes these things do deteriote over time. > Also, if now, what about related stuff (water pump, etc.) > at 48,000 miles? Any need to do that as well? People usually do the water pump at the same time as most of the labor is duplicated. > I'll have the car for several more years, at least. Then that should really be the deciding factor. An investment of much less than a major repair now to avoid a major repair in the future. |
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