timing belt scam...
10-06-2003, 04:34 PM
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timing belt scam...
Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
was surprised!!!!
of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
was surprised!!!!
10-06-2003, 05:26 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote in news:3F8315E6.52604E12@mail.verizon.net:
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
>
Are you the original owner? What year/model? What kind of weather/driving?
Just curious...
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
>
Are you the original owner? What year/model? What kind of weather/driving?
Just curious...
10-06-2003, 05:26 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote in news:3F8315E6.52604E12@mail.verizon.net:
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
>
Are you the original owner? What year/model? What kind of weather/driving?
Just curious...
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
>
Are you the original owner? What year/model? What kind of weather/driving?
Just curious...
10-06-2003, 05:26 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote in news:3F8315E6.52604E12@mail.verizon.net:
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
>
Are you the original owner? What year/model? What kind of weather/driving?
Just curious...
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
>
Are you the original owner? What year/model? What kind of weather/driving?
Just curious...
10-06-2003, 05:29 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
How can you tell the integrity of a belt by just looking at it?
<vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3F8315E6.52604E12@mail.verizon.net...
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
<vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3F8315E6.52604E12@mail.verizon.net...
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
10-06-2003, 05:29 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
How can you tell the integrity of a belt by just looking at it?
<vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3F8315E6.52604E12@mail.verizon.net...
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
<vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3F8315E6.52604E12@mail.verizon.net...
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
10-06-2003, 05:29 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
How can you tell the integrity of a belt by just looking at it?
<vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3F8315E6.52604E12@mail.verizon.net...
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
<vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3F8315E6.52604E12@mail.verizon.net...
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
>
10-06-2003, 05:43 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
10-06-2003, 05:43 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
10-06-2003, 05:43 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> was surprised!!!!
10-06-2003, 09:58 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message news:<3F829045.5BF41CEA@spam.now>...
> vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > > Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> > > of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> > > that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> > > the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> > > was surprised!!!!
> >
> > It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> > deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> > belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
broken timing belts only look bad at the break. the look good
everywhere else. take your chances next time. we love when people
don't listen and come in on a wrecker with a head full of bent
valves!!
Chip
> vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > > Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> > > of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> > > that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> > > the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> > > was surprised!!!!
> >
> > It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> > deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> > belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
broken timing belts only look bad at the break. the look good
everywhere else. take your chances next time. we love when people
don't listen and come in on a wrecker with a head full of bent
valves!!
Chip
10-06-2003, 09:58 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message news:<3F829045.5BF41CEA@spam.now>...
> vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > > Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> > > of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> > > that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> > > the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> > > was surprised!!!!
> >
> > It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> > deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> > belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
broken timing belts only look bad at the break. the look good
everywhere else. take your chances next time. we love when people
don't listen and come in on a wrecker with a head full of bent
valves!!
Chip
> vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > > Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> > > of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> > > that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> > > the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> > > was surprised!!!!
> >
> > It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> > deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> > belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
broken timing belts only look bad at the break. the look good
everywhere else. take your chances next time. we love when people
don't listen and come in on a wrecker with a head full of bent
valves!!
Chip
10-06-2003, 09:58 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message news:<3F829045.5BF41CEA@spam.now>...
> vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > > Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> > > of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> > > that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> > > the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> > > was surprised!!!!
> >
> > It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> > deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> > belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
broken timing belts only look bad at the break. the look good
everywhere else. take your chances next time. we love when people
don't listen and come in on a wrecker with a head full of bent
valves!!
Chip
> vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > > Just Had a belt changed....148,000 miles on it......I know the history
> > > of the car, the belt looked in great shape, maybe this timing belt thing
> > > that the companies tell you about is just a money making scam?...I kept
> > > the old belt for proof , it looks in great condition , even the mechanic
> > > was surprised!!!!
> >
> > It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> > deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> > belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
broken timing belts only look bad at the break. the look good
everywhere else. take your chances next time. we love when people
don't listen and come in on a wrecker with a head full of bent
valves!!
Chip
10-06-2003, 11:48 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
One - belts fail from the inside out. When failure has
reached the surface, then it is too late. Surface cracks have
nothing to do with belt failure.
Two - GM would recommend replacing timing belts every 40,000
miles. Why? Because the accountants who designed those 1970
and 1980 GM products estimated belt failure averaged 40,000
miles. But product thinkers first learn statistics. Belts
would be replaced because one might fail at 90,000 miles. In
statistics, it is called a confidence level. Just another
example of cars designed by 'bean counters' verses cars
designed by 'car guys' - names from within the industry.
Three, those GM belts would fail where internal nylon
reinforcement threads were clumped together at one spot - the
spot where each belt broke at 40,000 miles +/- 500 miles.
Failed due to manufacturing defect because nylon threads were
not kept uniformally separated. I not only had many belt
failures, but also took cross section samples to see why the
belt was failing. Always at one spot where all nylon threads
were bunched together. Most surprising the belts would fail
right at the 40,000 mile interval all three times. If Honda
says replacement is required, then believe them. Hondas were
designed by 'car guys'.
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
reached the surface, then it is too late. Surface cracks have
nothing to do with belt failure.
Two - GM would recommend replacing timing belts every 40,000
miles. Why? Because the accountants who designed those 1970
and 1980 GM products estimated belt failure averaged 40,000
miles. But product thinkers first learn statistics. Belts
would be replaced because one might fail at 90,000 miles. In
statistics, it is called a confidence level. Just another
example of cars designed by 'bean counters' verses cars
designed by 'car guys' - names from within the industry.
Three, those GM belts would fail where internal nylon
reinforcement threads were clumped together at one spot - the
spot where each belt broke at 40,000 miles +/- 500 miles.
Failed due to manufacturing defect because nylon threads were
not kept uniformally separated. I not only had many belt
failures, but also took cross section samples to see why the
belt was failing. Always at one spot where all nylon threads
were bunched together. Most surprising the belts would fail
right at the 40,000 mile interval all three times. If Honda
says replacement is required, then believe them. Hondas were
designed by 'car guys'.
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
10-06-2003, 11:48 PM
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Re: timing belt scam...
One - belts fail from the inside out. When failure has
reached the surface, then it is too late. Surface cracks have
nothing to do with belt failure.
Two - GM would recommend replacing timing belts every 40,000
miles. Why? Because the accountants who designed those 1970
and 1980 GM products estimated belt failure averaged 40,000
miles. But product thinkers first learn statistics. Belts
would be replaced because one might fail at 90,000 miles. In
statistics, it is called a confidence level. Just another
example of cars designed by 'bean counters' verses cars
designed by 'car guys' - names from within the industry.
Three, those GM belts would fail where internal nylon
reinforcement threads were clumped together at one spot - the
spot where each belt broke at 40,000 miles +/- 500 miles.
Failed due to manufacturing defect because nylon threads were
not kept uniformally separated. I not only had many belt
failures, but also took cross section samples to see why the
belt was failing. Always at one spot where all nylon threads
were bunched together. Most surprising the belts would fail
right at the 40,000 mile interval all three times. If Honda
says replacement is required, then believe them. Hondas were
designed by 'car guys'.
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?
reached the surface, then it is too late. Surface cracks have
nothing to do with belt failure.
Two - GM would recommend replacing timing belts every 40,000
miles. Why? Because the accountants who designed those 1970
and 1980 GM products estimated belt failure averaged 40,000
miles. But product thinkers first learn statistics. Belts
would be replaced because one might fail at 90,000 miles. In
statistics, it is called a confidence level. Just another
example of cars designed by 'bean counters' verses cars
designed by 'car guys' - names from within the industry.
Three, those GM belts would fail where internal nylon
reinforcement threads were clumped together at one spot - the
spot where each belt broke at 40,000 miles +/- 500 miles.
Failed due to manufacturing defect because nylon threads were
not kept uniformally separated. I not only had many belt
failures, but also took cross section samples to see why the
belt was failing. Always at one spot where all nylon threads
were bunched together. Most surprising the belts would fail
right at the 40,000 mile interval all three times. If Honda
says replacement is required, then believe them. Hondas were
designed by 'car guys'.
vze33sg4@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> It's a 1992 accord...Owned in my family since new ...no cracks or
> deteroration in the belt at all....Has anyone ever seen a worn tioming
> belt?....or are you taking the word of the mechanic that it's worn?