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Valve Job - O2 Sensor Question
Greetings: I've got a '92 Accord (175,000 mi). Have been trying to really give it a thorough upgrading without a total overhaul, and just wondered if either or both of the following two things could possibly increase engine performance and longevity: (1) valve adjustment and, (2) a new O2 sensor. Neither of these issues has ever been addressed over the life of the car. I have anecdotally heard that a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor could enhance performance, but would like to hear it from someone out there in the real world before shelling out real money. Thanks. - Paul |
Re: Valve Job - O2 Sensor Question
Paul wrote:
> Greetings: I've got a '92 Accord (175,000 mi). Have been trying to > really give it a thorough upgrading without a total overhaul, and just > wondered if either or both of the following two things could possibly > increase engine performance and longevity: (1) valve adjustment > and, (2) a new O2 sensor. Neither of these issues has ever been > addressed over the life of the car. I have anecdotally heard that > a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor could enhance > performance, but would like to hear it from someone out there in > the real world before shelling out real money. Thanks. - Paul > ================ Do you mean 'performance', or fuel economy. Your wording isn't clear. Valve adjustment should follow the manual's recommendation, (unless there is a known error, like the CRV manual) and the PCV often gets overlooked. Why not list the stuff you _have_ done? 'Curly' |
Re: Valve Job - O2 Sensor Question
Paul wrote:
> Greetings: I've got a '92 Accord (175,000 mi). Have been trying to > really give it a thorough upgrading without a total overhaul, and just > wondered if either or both of the following two things could possibly > increase engine performance and longevity: (1) valve adjustment > and, (2) a new O2 sensor. Neither of these issues has ever been > addressed over the life of the car. I have anecdotally heard that > a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor could enhance > performance, but would like to hear it from someone out there in > the real world before shelling out real money. Thanks. - Paul > ================ Do you mean 'performance', or fuel economy. Your wording isn't clear. Valve adjustment should follow the manual's recommendation, (unless there is a known error, like the CRV manual) and the PCV often gets overlooked. Why not list the stuff you _have_ done? 'Curly' |
Re: Valve Job - O2 Sensor Question
Hi Curly: Yeah, performance synonymous with fuel economy is on track. And, you know, "smoothness" in driving for lack of a better term. OK, here's a rundown on what's been done recently, all values in miles: 1) New plugs, Bosch Platinum +4 (don't laugh, 'cause they work great) at 175,000. These really made a difference. 2) New rotors at 175,000, after-market but they work fine. 3) Machined drums at 170,000 4) New brake pads/shoes/master cylinder at 170,000 5) New radiator / timing belt / water pump at 150,000 6 New radiator fan timer, engine coolant temp. sensor, gauge sender, fan sensor, and thermostat at 150,000. 7) New EGR valve/EGR solenoid/PCV valve at 135,000. 8) New tires (Michelin HydroEdge) so I don't go hydo- planing all over Canada like before with my 4mm Harmonys. So what's left? I'd love a transmission overhaul but can't afford it and don't know how to manage it myself. Maybe I'll take one of those six-week night classes at the local community college and learn how to do this. Seriously, I'd love to. Just don't have the time. So that's back to my original questions. Namely, what kind of benefit (or lack thereof) might a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor have on this particular car? Thanks again. - Paul On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:27:58 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote: >Paul wrote: >> Greetings: I've got a '92 Accord (175,000 mi). Have been trying to >> really give it a thorough upgrading without a total overhaul, and just >> wondered if either or both of the following two things could possibly >> increase engine performance and longevity: (1) valve adjustment >> and, (2) a new O2 sensor. Neither of these issues has ever been >> addressed over the life of the car. I have anecdotally heard that >> a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor could enhance >> performance, but would like to hear it from someone out there in >> the real world before shelling out real money. Thanks. - Paul >> >================ > >Do you mean 'performance', or fuel economy. Your wording isn't clear. >Valve adjustment should follow the manual's recommendation, (unless >there is a known error, like the CRV manual) and the PCV often gets >overlooked. > >Why not list the stuff you _have_ done? > >'Curly' |
Re: Valve Job - O2 Sensor Question
Hi Curly: Yeah, performance synonymous with fuel economy is on track. And, you know, "smoothness" in driving for lack of a better term. OK, here's a rundown on what's been done recently, all values in miles: 1) New plugs, Bosch Platinum +4 (don't laugh, 'cause they work great) at 175,000. These really made a difference. 2) New rotors at 175,000, after-market but they work fine. 3) Machined drums at 170,000 4) New brake pads/shoes/master cylinder at 170,000 5) New radiator / timing belt / water pump at 150,000 6 New radiator fan timer, engine coolant temp. sensor, gauge sender, fan sensor, and thermostat at 150,000. 7) New EGR valve/EGR solenoid/PCV valve at 135,000. 8) New tires (Michelin HydroEdge) so I don't go hydo- planing all over Canada like before with my 4mm Harmonys. So what's left? I'd love a transmission overhaul but can't afford it and don't know how to manage it myself. Maybe I'll take one of those six-week night classes at the local community college and learn how to do this. Seriously, I'd love to. Just don't have the time. So that's back to my original questions. Namely, what kind of benefit (or lack thereof) might a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor have on this particular car? Thanks again. - Paul On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:27:58 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote: >Paul wrote: >> Greetings: I've got a '92 Accord (175,000 mi). Have been trying to >> really give it a thorough upgrading without a total overhaul, and just >> wondered if either or both of the following two things could possibly >> increase engine performance and longevity: (1) valve adjustment >> and, (2) a new O2 sensor. Neither of these issues has ever been >> addressed over the life of the car. I have anecdotally heard that >> a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor could enhance >> performance, but would like to hear it from someone out there in >> the real world before shelling out real money. Thanks. - Paul >> >================ > >Do you mean 'performance', or fuel economy. Your wording isn't clear. >Valve adjustment should follow the manual's recommendation, (unless >there is a known error, like the CRV manual) and the PCV often gets >overlooked. > >Why not list the stuff you _have_ done? > >'Curly' |
Re: Valve Job - O2 Sensor Question
Paul wrote:
> Hi Curly: Yeah, performance synonymous with fuel economy is > on track. And, you know, "smoothness" in driving for lack of a > better term. OK, here's a rundown on what's been done recently, > all values in miles: > > 1) New plugs, Bosch Platinum +4 (don't laugh, 'cause they > work great) at 175,000. These really made a difference. > 2) New rotors at 175,000, after-market but they work fine. > 3) Machined drums at 170,000 > 4) New brake pads/shoes/master cylinder at 170,000 > 5) New radiator / timing belt / water pump at 150,000 > 6 New radiator fan timer, engine coolant temp. sensor, > gauge sender, fan sensor, and thermostat at 150,000. > 7) New EGR valve/EGR solenoid/PCV valve at 135,000. > 8) New tires (Michelin HydroEdge) so I don't go hydo- > planing all over Canada like before with my 4mm > Harmonys. > > So what's left? I'd love a transmission overhaul but can't afford it > and don't know how to manage it myself. Maybe I'll take one of > those six-week night classes at the local community college and > learn how to do this. Seriously, I'd love to. Just don't have the > time. So that's back to my original questions. Namely, what kind > of benefit (or lack thereof) might a valve adjustment and/or new > oxygen sensor have on this particular car? Thanks again. - Paul > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:27:58 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ > _"@interbaun.com> wrote: > > >>Paul wrote: >> >>>Greetings: I've got a '92 Accord (175,000 mi). Have been trying to >>>really give it a thorough upgrading without a total overhaul, and just >>>wondered if either or both of the following two things could possibly >>>increase engine performance and longevity: (1) valve adjustment >>>and, (2) a new O2 sensor. Neither of these issues has ever been >>>addressed over the life of the car. I have anecdotally heard that >>>a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor could enhance >>>performance, but would like to hear it from someone out there in >>>the real world before shelling out real money. Thanks. - Paul >>> >> >>================ >> >>Do you mean 'performance', or fuel economy. Your wording isn't clear. >>Valve adjustment should follow the manual's recommendation, (unless >>there is a known error, like the CRV manual) and the PCV often gets >>overlooked. >> >>Why not list the stuff you _have_ done? >> >>'Curly' > paul, there's not a massive amount of point in replacing the sensor unless it's giving you trouble. but hey, it looks like you /want/ to do it, so go ahead. regarding valve clearance, i'm not sure about the accord, but the civics specify 0.17-0.22mm inlet, 0.22-0.27mm exhaust as a range, with 0.20mm & 0.25mm being typical. i have mine adjusted to the minimum of the permissible range because it theoretically gives slightly extended valve opening. the result is /definitely/ rougher idle, but arguably better performance. i can [just] out-perform all other d15b2 hondas i've encountered my vintage, but i can't guarantee that's solely attributable to valve adjustment. |
Re: Valve Job - O2 Sensor Question
Paul wrote:
> Hi Curly: Yeah, performance synonymous with fuel economy is > on track. And, you know, "smoothness" in driving for lack of a > better term. OK, here's a rundown on what's been done recently, > all values in miles: > > 1) New plugs, Bosch Platinum +4 (don't laugh, 'cause they > work great) at 175,000. These really made a difference. > 2) New rotors at 175,000, after-market but they work fine. > 3) Machined drums at 170,000 > 4) New brake pads/shoes/master cylinder at 170,000 > 5) New radiator / timing belt / water pump at 150,000 > 6 New radiator fan timer, engine coolant temp. sensor, > gauge sender, fan sensor, and thermostat at 150,000. > 7) New EGR valve/EGR solenoid/PCV valve at 135,000. > 8) New tires (Michelin HydroEdge) so I don't go hydo- > planing all over Canada like before with my 4mm > Harmonys. > > So what's left? I'd love a transmission overhaul but can't afford it > and don't know how to manage it myself. Maybe I'll take one of > those six-week night classes at the local community college and > learn how to do this. Seriously, I'd love to. Just don't have the > time. So that's back to my original questions. Namely, what kind > of benefit (or lack thereof) might a valve adjustment and/or new > oxygen sensor have on this particular car? Thanks again. - Paul > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:27:58 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ > _"@interbaun.com> wrote: > > >>Paul wrote: >> >>>Greetings: I've got a '92 Accord (175,000 mi). Have been trying to >>>really give it a thorough upgrading without a total overhaul, and just >>>wondered if either or both of the following two things could possibly >>>increase engine performance and longevity: (1) valve adjustment >>>and, (2) a new O2 sensor. Neither of these issues has ever been >>>addressed over the life of the car. I have anecdotally heard that >>>a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor could enhance >>>performance, but would like to hear it from someone out there in >>>the real world before shelling out real money. Thanks. - Paul >>> >> >>================ >> >>Do you mean 'performance', or fuel economy. Your wording isn't clear. >>Valve adjustment should follow the manual's recommendation, (unless >>there is a known error, like the CRV manual) and the PCV often gets >>overlooked. >> >>Why not list the stuff you _have_ done? >> >>'Curly' > paul, there's not a massive amount of point in replacing the sensor unless it's giving you trouble. but hey, it looks like you /want/ to do it, so go ahead. regarding valve clearance, i'm not sure about the accord, but the civics specify 0.17-0.22mm inlet, 0.22-0.27mm exhaust as a range, with 0.20mm & 0.25mm being typical. i have mine adjusted to the minimum of the permissible range because it theoretically gives slightly extended valve opening. the result is /definitely/ rougher idle, but arguably better performance. i can [just] out-perform all other d15b2 hondas i've encountered my vintage, but i can't guarantee that's solely attributable to valve adjustment. |
Re: Valve Job - O2 Sensor Question
Hi Jim: I really appreciate your input. It sounds like auto tuning is a lot like just about everything else in life...it all depends on what you want. Interesting about the idle on your civic. Rougher but better performance on the one hand, versus (I presume) smoother but less performance on the other. Trade-offs, trade-offs, and more trade-offs. : ) Thanks again. - Paul On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:09:41 -0800, jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote: >Paul wrote: >> Hi Curly: Yeah, performance synonymous with fuel economy is >> on track. And, you know, "smoothness" in driving for lack of a >> better term. OK, here's a rundown on what's been done recently, >> all values in miles: >> >> 1) New plugs, Bosch Platinum +4 (don't laugh, 'cause they >> work great) at 175,000. These really made a difference. >> 2) New rotors at 175,000, after-market but they work fine. >> 3) Machined drums at 170,000 >> 4) New brake pads/shoes/master cylinder at 170,000 >> 5) New radiator / timing belt / water pump at 150,000 >> 6 New radiator fan timer, engine coolant temp. sensor, >> gauge sender, fan sensor, and thermostat at 150,000. >> 7) New EGR valve/EGR solenoid/PCV valve at 135,000. >> 8) New tires (Michelin HydroEdge) so I don't go hydo- >> planing all over Canada like before with my 4mm >> Harmonys. >> >> So what's left? I'd love a transmission overhaul but can't afford it >> and don't know how to manage it myself. Maybe I'll take one of >> those six-week night classes at the local community college and >> learn how to do this. Seriously, I'd love to. Just don't have the >> time. So that's back to my original questions. Namely, what kind >> of benefit (or lack thereof) might a valve adjustment and/or new >> oxygen sensor have on this particular car? Thanks again. - Paul >> >> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:27:58 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ >> _"@interbaun.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Paul wrote: >>> >>>>Greetings: I've got a '92 Accord (175,000 mi). Have been trying to >>>>really give it a thorough upgrading without a total overhaul, and just >>>>wondered if either or both of the following two things could possibly >>>>increase engine performance and longevity: (1) valve adjustment >>>>and, (2) a new O2 sensor. Neither of these issues has ever been >>>>addressed over the life of the car. I have anecdotally heard that >>>>a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor could enhance >>>>performance, but would like to hear it from someone out there in >>>>the real world before shelling out real money. Thanks. - Paul >>>> >>> >>>================ >>> >>>Do you mean 'performance', or fuel economy. Your wording isn't clear. >>>Valve adjustment should follow the manual's recommendation, (unless >>>there is a known error, like the CRV manual) and the PCV often gets >>>overlooked. >>> >>>Why not list the stuff you _have_ done? >>> >>>'Curly' >> > >paul, there's not a massive amount of point in replacing the sensor >unless it's giving you trouble. but hey, it looks like you /want/ to do >it, so go ahead. > >regarding valve clearance, i'm not sure about the accord, but the civics > specify 0.17-0.22mm inlet, 0.22-0.27mm exhaust as a range, with 0.20mm >& 0.25mm being typical. i have mine adjusted to the minimum of the >permissible range because it theoretically gives slightly extended valve > opening. the result is /definitely/ rougher idle, but arguably better >performance. i can [just] out-perform all other d15b2 hondas i've >encountered my vintage, but i can't guarantee that's solely attributable >to valve adjustment. |
Re: Valve Job - O2 Sensor Question
Hi Jim: I really appreciate your input. It sounds like auto tuning is a lot like just about everything else in life...it all depends on what you want. Interesting about the idle on your civic. Rougher but better performance on the one hand, versus (I presume) smoother but less performance on the other. Trade-offs, trade-offs, and more trade-offs. : ) Thanks again. - Paul On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:09:41 -0800, jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote: >Paul wrote: >> Hi Curly: Yeah, performance synonymous with fuel economy is >> on track. And, you know, "smoothness" in driving for lack of a >> better term. OK, here's a rundown on what's been done recently, >> all values in miles: >> >> 1) New plugs, Bosch Platinum +4 (don't laugh, 'cause they >> work great) at 175,000. These really made a difference. >> 2) New rotors at 175,000, after-market but they work fine. >> 3) Machined drums at 170,000 >> 4) New brake pads/shoes/master cylinder at 170,000 >> 5) New radiator / timing belt / water pump at 150,000 >> 6 New radiator fan timer, engine coolant temp. sensor, >> gauge sender, fan sensor, and thermostat at 150,000. >> 7) New EGR valve/EGR solenoid/PCV valve at 135,000. >> 8) New tires (Michelin HydroEdge) so I don't go hydo- >> planing all over Canada like before with my 4mm >> Harmonys. >> >> So what's left? I'd love a transmission overhaul but can't afford it >> and don't know how to manage it myself. Maybe I'll take one of >> those six-week night classes at the local community college and >> learn how to do this. Seriously, I'd love to. Just don't have the >> time. So that's back to my original questions. Namely, what kind >> of benefit (or lack thereof) might a valve adjustment and/or new >> oxygen sensor have on this particular car? Thanks again. - Paul >> >> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:27:58 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ >> _"@interbaun.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Paul wrote: >>> >>>>Greetings: I've got a '92 Accord (175,000 mi). Have been trying to >>>>really give it a thorough upgrading without a total overhaul, and just >>>>wondered if either or both of the following two things could possibly >>>>increase engine performance and longevity: (1) valve adjustment >>>>and, (2) a new O2 sensor. Neither of these issues has ever been >>>>addressed over the life of the car. I have anecdotally heard that >>>>a valve adjustment and/or new oxygen sensor could enhance >>>>performance, but would like to hear it from someone out there in >>>>the real world before shelling out real money. Thanks. - Paul >>>> >>> >>>================ >>> >>>Do you mean 'performance', or fuel economy. Your wording isn't clear. >>>Valve adjustment should follow the manual's recommendation, (unless >>>there is a known error, like the CRV manual) and the PCV often gets >>>overlooked. >>> >>>Why not list the stuff you _have_ done? >>> >>>'Curly' >> > >paul, there's not a massive amount of point in replacing the sensor >unless it's giving you trouble. but hey, it looks like you /want/ to do >it, so go ahead. > >regarding valve clearance, i'm not sure about the accord, but the civics > specify 0.17-0.22mm inlet, 0.22-0.27mm exhaust as a range, with 0.20mm >& 0.25mm being typical. i have mine adjusted to the minimum of the >permissible range because it theoretically gives slightly extended valve > opening. the result is /definitely/ rougher idle, but arguably better >performance. i can [just] out-perform all other d15b2 hondas i've >encountered my vintage, but i can't guarantee that's solely attributable >to valve adjustment. |
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