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TeGGer® 01-26-2005 07:53 PM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 
"motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:41F8368E.90708@interbaun.com:


>
> Bleeding brakes takes only a small amount of fluid, way less than a
> quart. It's even a bit of fun to do with a helper,



Fun it is, until that instant the hose pops off the fitting and you get a
shot of fluid all over the place.


> since it's so cheap
> compared to having it done at a shop. You can immediately see the old
> stuff come out,



And that warm feeling you get when it finally turns a clear, light straw
color... ;-)



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TeGGeR®

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TeGGer® 01-26-2005 07:53 PM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 
"motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:41F8368E.90708@interbaun.com:


>
> Bleeding brakes takes only a small amount of fluid, way less than a
> quart. It's even a bit of fun to do with a helper,



Fun it is, until that instant the hose pops off the fitting and you get a
shot of fluid all over the place.


> since it's so cheap
> compared to having it done at a shop. You can immediately see the old
> stuff come out,



And that warm feeling you get when it finally turns a clear, light straw
color... ;-)



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Randolph 01-26-2005 08:00 PM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 

"TeGGer®" wrote:
>
> "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
> news:41F8368E.90708@interbaun.com:
>
> >
> > Bleeding brakes takes only a small amount of fluid, way less than a
> > quart. It's even a bit of fun to do with a helper,

>
> Fun it is, until that instant the hose pops off the fitting and you get a
> shot of fluid all over the place.
>
> > since it's so cheap
> > compared to having it done at a shop. You can immediately see the old
> > stuff come out,

>
> And that warm feeling you get when it finally turns a clear, light straw
> color... ;-)


About 8 years ago I got that warm feeling after a brake fluid flush on
my brother's VW. The warm fuzzy feeling turned cold and prickly when we
realized the master cylinder got messed up in the process. And the
warning was right there in the Bentley manual (Bentley is to VW what
Helm is to Honda) "Do not push the brake pedal all the way to the
floor".

Randolph 01-26-2005 08:00 PM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 

"TeGGer®" wrote:
>
> "motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
> news:41F8368E.90708@interbaun.com:
>
> >
> > Bleeding brakes takes only a small amount of fluid, way less than a
> > quart. It's even a bit of fun to do with a helper,

>
> Fun it is, until that instant the hose pops off the fitting and you get a
> shot of fluid all over the place.
>
> > since it's so cheap
> > compared to having it done at a shop. You can immediately see the old
> > stuff come out,

>
> And that warm feeling you get when it finally turns a clear, light straw
> color... ;-)


About 8 years ago I got that warm feeling after a brake fluid flush on
my brother's VW. The warm fuzzy feeling turned cold and prickly when we
realized the master cylinder got messed up in the process. And the
warning was right there in the Bentley manual (Bentley is to VW what
Helm is to Honda) "Do not push the brake pedal all the way to the
floor".

Randolph 01-26-2005 08:04 PM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 

"TeGGer®" wrote:
>
> Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
> news:b3vfv0hr1bq9ak0g8mjcbgqj2l9bri6lf7@4ax.com:
>
> > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:29 GMT, Jason Wells <spinmaster@nospam.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Wouldn't changing the fluid in the reservoir dilute any water present
> >>in the system?

> >
> > Yes, I think it would, but the fluid in the lines and wheel cylinders
> > could still be contaminated. It would take awhile for it all to mix.

>
> Not for a looong time.
>
> Reservoir fluid only makes its way into the master cylinder bore and the
> lines as the brake friction linings wear.


Agreed. In my experience, the most contaminated fluid is in the wheel
cylinders, so a proper flush is what's needed. What's in the reservoir
is nice and clean compared with what is out at the wheels.

Randolph 01-26-2005 08:04 PM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 

"TeGGer®" wrote:
>
> Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
> news:b3vfv0hr1bq9ak0g8mjcbgqj2l9bri6lf7@4ax.com:
>
> > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:29 GMT, Jason Wells <spinmaster@nospam.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Wouldn't changing the fluid in the reservoir dilute any water present
> >>in the system?

> >
> > Yes, I think it would, but the fluid in the lines and wheel cylinders
> > could still be contaminated. It would take awhile for it all to mix.

>
> Not for a looong time.
>
> Reservoir fluid only makes its way into the master cylinder bore and the
> lines as the brake friction linings wear.


Agreed. In my experience, the most contaminated fluid is in the wheel
cylinders, so a proper flush is what's needed. What's in the reservoir
is nice and clean compared with what is out at the wheels.

motsco_ _ 01-26-2005 09:57 PM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 
Randolph wrote:
> "TeGGer®" wrote:
>
>>"motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
>>news:41F8368E.90708@interbaun.com:
>>
>>
>>>Bleeding brakes takes only a small amount of fluid, way less than a
>>>quart. It's even a bit of fun to do with a helper,

>>
>>Fun it is, until that instant the hose pops off the fitting and you get a
>>shot of fluid all over the place.
>>
>>
>>>since it's so cheap
>>>compared to having it done at a shop. You can immediately see the old
>>>stuff come out,

___________________________________
>>And that warm feeling you get when it finally turns a clear, light straw
>>color... ;-)

___________________________________

>
>
> About 8 years ago I got that warm feeling after a brake fluid flush on
> my brother's VW. The warm fuzzy feeling turned cold and prickly when we
> realized the master cylinder got messed up in the process. And the
> warning was right there in the Bentley manual (Bentley is to VW what
> Helm is to Honda) "Do not push the brake pedal all the way to the
> floor".

-----------------------

My 'helper' is well-trained, (she knows to keep the pedal away from the
'nether reaches') but if I was hiring a goof-ball, I'd put the chunk of
2x4 under the pedal. I also suck the reservoir empty with a new turkey
baster from the $0.99 Store, to save pumping all that 'depleted' stuff
thru the lines. Front-left, front-right, rear-right, rear-left. (Helm's)

:-) BTW, TeGGer . . . Your 'warm feeling' description sounds like a
check-up at the urologist. . . Stay loose, eh? :-)

'Curly'


motsco_ _ 01-26-2005 09:57 PM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 
Randolph wrote:
> "TeGGer®" wrote:
>
>>"motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
>>news:41F8368E.90708@interbaun.com:
>>
>>
>>>Bleeding brakes takes only a small amount of fluid, way less than a
>>>quart. It's even a bit of fun to do with a helper,

>>
>>Fun it is, until that instant the hose pops off the fitting and you get a
>>shot of fluid all over the place.
>>
>>
>>>since it's so cheap
>>>compared to having it done at a shop. You can immediately see the old
>>>stuff come out,

___________________________________
>>And that warm feeling you get when it finally turns a clear, light straw
>>color... ;-)

___________________________________

>
>
> About 8 years ago I got that warm feeling after a brake fluid flush on
> my brother's VW. The warm fuzzy feeling turned cold and prickly when we
> realized the master cylinder got messed up in the process. And the
> warning was right there in the Bentley manual (Bentley is to VW what
> Helm is to Honda) "Do not push the brake pedal all the way to the
> floor".

-----------------------

My 'helper' is well-trained, (she knows to keep the pedal away from the
'nether reaches') but if I was hiring a goof-ball, I'd put the chunk of
2x4 under the pedal. I also suck the reservoir empty with a new turkey
baster from the $0.99 Store, to save pumping all that 'depleted' stuff
thru the lines. Front-left, front-right, rear-right, rear-left. (Helm's)

:-) BTW, TeGGer . . . Your 'warm feeling' description sounds like a
check-up at the urologist. . . Stay loose, eh? :-)

'Curly'


TeGGer® 01-27-2005 08:25 AM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 
"motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:41F858AD.7010301@interbaun.com:

> Randolph wrote:


>> And the warning was right there in the Bentley manual (Bentley is to
>> VW what Helm is to Honda) "Do not push the brake pedal all the way to
>> the floor".

> -----------------------
>
> My 'helper' is well-trained, (she knows to keep the pedal away from
> the 'nether reaches') but if I was hiring a goof-ball, I'd put the
> chunk of 2x4 under the pedal. I also suck the reservoir empty with a
> new turkey baster from the $0.99 Store, to save pumping all that
> 'depleted' stuff thru the lines. Front-left, front-right, rear-right,
> rear-left. (Helm's)



That warning may be for VWs and for cars with neglected brake systems. If
your Honda is less than 6 years old or so, it's perfectly OK to floor the
pedal when bleeding, and is in fact desirable, since it sweeps the front of
the MC bore and keeps it clean.


>
>:-) BTW, TeGGer . . . Your 'warm feeling' description sounds like a
> check-up at the urologist. . . Stay loose, eh? :-)




Some loose. It's -30C right now. Any "warm feeling" would be decidedly icy
at the moment. Brrrr.

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGer® 01-27-2005 08:25 AM

Re: When to bleed brakes
 
"motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in
news:41F858AD.7010301@interbaun.com:

> Randolph wrote:


>> And the warning was right there in the Bentley manual (Bentley is to
>> VW what Helm is to Honda) "Do not push the brake pedal all the way to
>> the floor".

> -----------------------
>
> My 'helper' is well-trained, (she knows to keep the pedal away from
> the 'nether reaches') but if I was hiring a goof-ball, I'd put the
> chunk of 2x4 under the pedal. I also suck the reservoir empty with a
> new turkey baster from the $0.99 Store, to save pumping all that
> 'depleted' stuff thru the lines. Front-left, front-right, rear-right,
> rear-left. (Helm's)



That warning may be for VWs and for cars with neglected brake systems. If
your Honda is less than 6 years old or so, it's perfectly OK to floor the
pedal when bleeding, and is in fact desirable, since it sweeps the front of
the MC bore and keeps it clean.


>
>:-) BTW, TeGGer . . . Your 'warm feeling' description sounds like a
> check-up at the urologist. . . Stay loose, eh? :-)




Some loose. It's -30C right now. Any "warm feeling" would be decidedly icy
at the moment. Brrrr.

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/


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