Re: Why I'm never going to buy another Honda!!!!
 

Erik wrote:
> In article <1181226082.019448.188060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups .com>,
> facts2opinion@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> When I got married in 2003, I asked my wife for all her repair
>> receipts for her 1995 Honda Civic. I had mine all filed in my
>> cabinet, over $10,000 worth for my 1992 car that is NOT a Honda. I
>> wanted to file hers also, just to be organized. She stated that she
>> never had her car repaired, so she didn't have any receipts. Of
>> coarse she did her regular maintenance, however that was done by a
>> family member, so there were no receipts either. I was shocked. For
>> the next 3 years until 2006, there still wasn't anything repaired in
>> her car. (The car was repainted in 2005, however that was only for
>> cosmetics.) Finally in 2007, the car had her first repair. The
>> radiator and the distributor cap was replaced. My wife's 12 year old
>> Honda still only had a few hundred dollar worth of repairs. Her
>> mileage is low, only 90,000, however, I'm still shocked at the minimal
>> repairs the car went through.
>>
>> So the reason I say, that I'M NEVER GOING BY ANOTHER HONDA again isn't
>> because I don't like Honda's. It's because I don't believe in
>> replacing something that isn't broken. At the rate this 1995 Honda
>> Civic is going, it's never going to die.
>>
>> P.S. There's only one company that makes cars: Honda. The rest only
>> make prototypes.
>
> I bought my 87 Accord new, and still use it as my beater car. It gets
> more use than anything else to tell the truth.
>
> With 120,000 miles, I've had to do a few things, CV axle's, a couple of
> timing belts, water pumps and batteries, a clutch, fuel pump, brakes a
> few times... did everything myself with the exception of mounting new
> tires and a muffler and alignments.
>
> Still runs great! Paint has had it and it now needs an ignition
> switch... probably do it later this afternoon/evening.
>
> It still has the original alternator, starter, distributor and cap,
> ignition wires, o2 sensor (!) and on and on. Has always passed smog with
> flying colors... it's amazing.
>
> Not bad for a 20 year old car. If I recall correctly, the sticker price
> was $11,202. I negotiated a set of shop manuals into the deal when I
> bought it, and never looked back.

I'm on my third '87 Accord now. First one we bought used in '94 with
about 160,000km, for $5700. It took us (me, the wife, and our
five-year-old) from Vancouver to Chicago during the super-hot summer of
'95. It took me and a buddy Van to San Francisco a couple years later.
It took me all over BC for work a couple years after that. Went like
stink, always great on gas (650+ highway kms per 50l tank). I finally
wrote it off on an icy road about five years ago, with over 478,000km on it.

Got another one the next day for $800. Water pump was rattling, but I
drove it for another two years before that finally gave out.

Got my current one right after that. $500 for a nice hatchie that had
been horribly abused by a previous owner (in the form of lowering by
cutting the springs, covering the interior with some kind of ugly blue
flocking, the addition of some sort of blue disco lights inside...).

Had to swap in a new back end when the over-stressed dampers finally
gave out and the constant banging when going over bumps eventually blew
out an upper ball joint... but even that was barely an 8-hour job to
pull the complete rear end - crossmember, trailing arms, struts, control
arms and e-brake cables) - out of a parts car, swap over the sway bar
from my car, and then stick the new setup back in.

Fantastic cars all around. Not perfect, to be sure, but a damn site
better than just about anything else I or any friends or family members
have ever owned. Only thing I've ever seen that was more solid was my
dad's '81 Dodge pickup that he bought new, and retired in '87 with over
450,000km. That old Slant-6 engine was damn near indestructible. My
sister ran it dry of oil once, so that afterward it was drinking a 4l
jug just to make a 400km trip, but it just kept running. Timing chain
was so stretched that it was making a horrible noise rubbing against the
chain cover, but it kept on running.

Re: Why I'm never going to buy another Honda!!!!
 

Erik wrote:
> In article <1181226082.019448.188060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups .com>,
> facts2opinion@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> When I got married in 2003, I asked my wife for all her repair
>> receipts for her 1995 Honda Civic. I had mine all filed in my
>> cabinet, over $10,000 worth for my 1992 car that is NOT a Honda. I
>> wanted to file hers also, just to be organized. She stated that she
>> never had her car repaired, so she didn't have any receipts. Of
>> coarse she did her regular maintenance, however that was done by a
>> family member, so there were no receipts either. I was shocked. For
>> the next 3 years until 2006, there still wasn't anything repaired in
>> her car. (The car was repainted in 2005, however that was only for
>> cosmetics.) Finally in 2007, the car had her first repair. The
>> radiator and the distributor cap was replaced. My wife's 12 year old
>> Honda still only had a few hundred dollar worth of repairs. Her
>> mileage is low, only 90,000, however, I'm still shocked at the minimal
>> repairs the car went through.
>>
>> So the reason I say, that I'M NEVER GOING BY ANOTHER HONDA again isn't
>> because I don't like Honda's. It's because I don't believe in
>> replacing something that isn't broken. At the rate this 1995 Honda
>> Civic is going, it's never going to die.
>>
>> P.S. There's only one company that makes cars: Honda. The rest only
>> make prototypes.
>
> I bought my 87 Accord new, and still use it as my beater car. It gets
> more use than anything else to tell the truth.
>
> With 120,000 miles, I've had to do a few things, CV axle's, a couple of
> timing belts, water pumps and batteries, a clutch, fuel pump, brakes a
> few times... did everything myself with the exception of mounting new
> tires and a muffler and alignments.
>
> Still runs great! Paint has had it and it now needs an ignition
> switch... probably do it later this afternoon/evening.
>
> It still has the original alternator, starter, distributor and cap,
> ignition wires, o2 sensor (!) and on and on. Has always passed smog with
> flying colors... it's amazing.
>
> Not bad for a 20 year old car. If I recall correctly, the sticker price
> was $11,202. I negotiated a set of shop manuals into the deal when I
> bought it, and never looked back.

I'm on my third '87 Accord now. First one we bought used in '94 with
about 160,000km, for $5700. It took us (me, the wife, and our
five-year-old) from Vancouver to Chicago during the super-hot summer of
'95. It took me and a buddy Van to San Francisco a couple years later.
It took me all over BC for work a couple years after that. Went like
stink, always great on gas (650+ highway kms per 50l tank). I finally
wrote it off on an icy road about five years ago, with over 478,000km on it.

Got another one the next day for $800. Water pump was rattling, but I
drove it for another two years before that finally gave out.

Got my current one right after that. $500 for a nice hatchie that had
been horribly abused by a previous owner (in the form of lowering by
cutting the springs, covering the interior with some kind of ugly blue
flocking, the addition of some sort of blue disco lights inside...).

Had to swap in a new back end when the over-stressed dampers finally
gave out and the constant banging when going over bumps eventually blew
out an upper ball joint... but even that was barely an 8-hour job to
pull the complete rear end - crossmember, trailing arms, struts, control
arms and e-brake cables) - out of a parts car, swap over the sway bar
from my car, and then stick the new setup back in.

Fantastic cars all around. Not perfect, to be sure, but a damn site
better than just about anything else I or any friends or family members
have ever owned. Only thing I've ever seen that was more solid was my
dad's '81 Dodge pickup that he bought new, and retired in '87 with over
450,000km. That old Slant-6 engine was damn near indestructible. My
sister ran it dry of oil once, so that afterward it was drinking a 4l
jug just to make a 400km trip, but it just kept running. Timing chain
was so stretched that it was making a horrible noise rubbing against the
chain cover, but it kept on running.

Re: salesman bluffing ( Re: Why I'm never going to buy another Honda!!!! )
 

> | only one company that makes cars: Honda. The rest only
> | make prototypes.
> Bullshit, toyota's reliablity beats honda's.http://www.businessweek.com/ap/finan...=apn_home_down...

You're probably right. I've just never owned a Toyota yet. I have
owned a GM, Nissan, Chrysler, Mazda, Ford, and Mercedes. However, I
do have a family member that only buys Toyota's and they love it.
Regarding the Business Week article, I haven't read it yet, however I
do know that Toyotas are highly rated in reliability as stated in
Consumer's Report. The thing that surprises me the most is that
Hyundai is catching up.


Stan

Re: salesman bluffing ( Re: Why I'm never going to buy another Honda!!!! )
 

> | only one company that makes cars: Honda. The rest only
> | make prototypes.
> Bullshit, toyota's reliablity beats honda's.http://www.businessweek.com/ap/finan...=apn_home_down...

You're probably right. I've just never owned a Toyota yet. I have
owned a GM, Nissan, Chrysler, Mazda, Ford, and Mercedes. However, I
do have a family member that only buys Toyota's and they love it.
Regarding the Business Week article, I haven't read it yet, however I
do know that Toyotas are highly rated in reliability as stated in
Consumer's Report. The thing that surprises me the most is that
Hyundai is catching up.


Stan

Re: Why I'm never going to buy another Honda!!!!
 

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:21:22 +0000, facts2opinion wrote:

> P.S. There's only one company that makes cars: Honda. The rest only make
> prototypes.

I like Toyotas slightly better, but my Accord was the same way...it only
needed repairs when my WIFE HIT THINGS WITH IT!!!!!

(Get this...she owed $0.50 fine on a Library book...went out in the worst
storm of the winter, hit a curb and did $395 worth of damage to the CV
joint...to avoid paying $0.75!!!!!!)

Re: Why I'm never going to buy another Honda!!!!
 

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:21:22 +0000, facts2opinion wrote:

> P.S. There's only one company that makes cars: Honda. The rest only make
> prototypes.

I like Toyotas slightly better, but my Accord was the same way...it only
needed repairs when my WIFE HIT THINGS WITH IT!!!!!

(Get this...she owed $0.50 fine on a Library book...went out in the worst
storm of the winter, hit a curb and did $395 worth of damage to the CV
joint...to avoid paying $0.75!!!!!!)