Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
"fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
so good and the ride is smooth.

Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or other
ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?



"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?
>

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or other
ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?



"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6rgef2pj8da6eo1af1meicej328r3pmarl@4ax.com...
>
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?
>

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or other
ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?



"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6rgef2pj8da6eo1af1meicej328r3pmarl@4ax.com...
>
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?
>

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6rgef2pj8da6eo1af1meicej328r3pmarl@4ax.com...
>
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?

Both great cars. Do you want the smooth cushy ride or prefer the more
spirited driving? Get the one that puts the bigger smile on your face while
driving.

-Dave

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6rgef2pj8da6eo1af1meicej328r3pmarl@4ax.com...
>
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?

Both great cars. Do you want the smooth cushy ride or prefer the more
spirited driving? Get the one that puts the bigger smile on your face while
driving.

-Dave

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6rgef2pj8da6eo1af1meicej328r3pmarl@4ax.com...
>
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?

Both great cars. Do you want the smooth cushy ride or prefer the more
spirited driving? Get the one that puts the bigger smile on your face while
driving.

-Dave

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

In article <6rgef2pj8da6eo1af1meicej328r3pmarl@4ax.com>,
Big Blue <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?

If you want a Japanese Buick that overall is impeccably built and should
last forever, buy the Lexus and have it serviced at your local garage,
not the Lexus dealer.

If you like fun to drive that's well built and probably will last
forever, buy an Acura.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

In article <6rgef2pj8da6eo1af1meicej328r3pmarl@4ax.com>,
Big Blue <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?

If you want a Japanese Buick that overall is impeccably built and should
last forever, buy the Lexus and have it serviced at your local garage,
not the Lexus dealer.

If you like fun to drive that's well built and probably will last
forever, buy an Acura.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

In article <6rgef2pj8da6eo1af1meicej328r3pmarl@4ax.com>,
Big Blue <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?

If you want a Japanese Buick that overall is impeccably built and should
last forever, buy the Lexus and have it serviced at your local garage,
not the Lexus dealer.

If you like fun to drive that's well built and probably will last
forever, buy an Acura.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Big Blue wrote:
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?
>
It depends on whether you like to drive a car with a sportier
suspension and handling characteristics or a car that is much softer
and less adept at handling. Both are well built and very nice
vehicles. Just get the one with the characteristics you like.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Big Blue wrote:
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?
>
It depends on whether you like to drive a car with a sportier
suspension and handling characteristics or a car that is much softer
and less adept at handling. Both are well built and very nice
vehicles. Just get the one with the characteristics you like.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Big Blue wrote:
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?
>
It depends on whether you like to drive a car with a sportier
suspension and handling characteristics or a car that is much softer
and less adept at handling. Both are well built and very nice
vehicles. Just get the one with the characteristics you like.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Art wrote:
> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or other
> ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?

I have no idea where you got that figure from. I'm on my 3rd Acura
and I've never paid anywhere near $300 for an oil change. For
instance, the last oil change (at my Acura dealer) I got on my RL
was $36. It included the normal visual inspections, a wash,
interior vacuum and an alignment (toe-in) check.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Art wrote:
> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or other
> ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?

I have no idea where you got that figure from. I'm on my 3rd Acura
and I've never paid anywhere near $300 for an oil change. For
instance, the last oil change (at my Acura dealer) I got on my RL
was $36. It included the normal visual inspections, a wash,
interior vacuum and an alignment (toe-in) check.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Art wrote:
> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or other
> ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?

I have no idea where you got that figure from. I'm on my 3rd Acura
and I've never paid anywhere near $300 for an oil change. For
instance, the last oil change (at my Acura dealer) I got on my RL
was $36. It included the normal visual inspections, a wash,
interior vacuum and an alignment (toe-in) check.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Having recentley faced the same decision myself, I ended up choosing a
new Honda Accord Euro (Acura TSX) here in Australia over a new Lexus
IS250.

While I enjoyed driving both, the Lexus was just a little bit too
expensive and I could get similar features in the Accord Euro (TSX)
without having to pay an extra federal 'Luxury car tax', so I went with
the Honda/Acura.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Having recentley faced the same decision myself, I ended up choosing a
new Honda Accord Euro (Acura TSX) here in Australia over a new Lexus
IS250.

While I enjoyed driving both, the Lexus was just a little bit too
expensive and I could get similar features in the Accord Euro (TSX)
without having to pay an extra federal 'Luxury car tax', so I went with
the Honda/Acura.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Having recentley faced the same decision myself, I ended up choosing a
new Honda Accord Euro (Acura TSX) here in Australia over a new Lexus
IS250.

While I enjoyed driving both, the Lexus was just a little bit too
expensive and I could get similar features in the Accord Euro (TSX)
without having to pay an extra federal 'Luxury car tax', so I went with
the Honda/Acura.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
not covered by warranty.


"Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Art wrote:
>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
>
> I have no idea where you got that figure from. I'm on my 3rd Acura and
> I've never paid anywhere near $300 for an oil change. For instance, the
> last oil change (at my Acura dealer) I got on my RL was $36. It included
> the normal visual inspections, a wash, interior vacuum and an alignment
> (toe-in) check.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
not covered by warranty.


"Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Art wrote:
>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
>
> I have no idea where you got that figure from. I'm on my 3rd Acura and
> I've never paid anywhere near $300 for an oil change. For instance, the
> last oil change (at my Acura dealer) I got on my RL was $36. It included
> the normal visual inspections, a wash, interior vacuum and an alignment
> (toe-in) check.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
not covered by warranty.


"Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Art wrote:
>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
>
> I have no idea where you got that figure from. I'm on my 3rd Acura and
> I've never paid anywhere near $300 for an oil change. For instance, the
> last oil change (at my Acura dealer) I got on my RL was $36. It included
> the normal visual inspections, a wash, interior vacuum and an alignment
> (toe-in) check.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Art wrote:
> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
> not covered by warranty.
>
>
> "Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Art wrote:
>>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?

"Similar Infiniti?" Similar to what? A Honda Infiniti? A Toyota
Infiniti? Another car with 4 wheels on the ground?

Jeez, that's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

I'm sure we can recite anecdotal experiences with just about any auto
dealership and I have little doubt that your friend may have suffered
through a couple of $300 oil changes that were change-ups to a hefty
service bill.

OTOH, one can walk into just about any Jiffy Lube in the country and if
you're a gullible moron, walk out with a change of oil, transmission
flush, some new filters and wiper blades and have your wallet $125 or
better lighter.

Does that guarantee that the same will happen to you? Nope, only if you
too are a gullible moron.

An informed consumer is an informed consumer. Perhaps it's just that a
higher proportion of those folks driving luxury cars don't know all that
much about the inner workings and are ripe for the picking.

OTOH, I have a friend in Texas who recently took delivery of a brand
new, specially ordered (color combo) Lexus. When he took it in for the
first oil change and break-in check, they gave him the same model car as
a loaner. Car had about 500 miles on it AND it had the exact set of
wheels on it that he'd been told were unavailable when he bought his.
He commented on this to the Service Writer. Service Writer excused
himself and asked Dee to stand by. Came back with the GM in about ten
minutes and asked him if he really wanted those wheels and had 45
minutes to spare. He did and he did. He drove out of the dealership
with the exact wheels he wanted with his own tires mounted and
rebalanced - NO CHARGE!

Soooo... Will it happen to me or you if we go to that dealership or
another one? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be damned if I'll forgo
driving the car I want because of one or two half-cocked general bitches
about a manufacturer's dealers. Especially when it's based upon the
ALLEGED misdeeds of ANOTHER manufacturer's dealerships.

That makes about as much sense as saying "I'm NEVER going to travel to
Bermuda because a friend was treated so shabbily when he went to Sweden!"

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Art wrote:
> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
> not covered by warranty.
>
>
> "Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Art wrote:
>>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?

"Similar Infiniti?" Similar to what? A Honda Infiniti? A Toyota
Infiniti? Another car with 4 wheels on the ground?

Jeez, that's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

I'm sure we can recite anecdotal experiences with just about any auto
dealership and I have little doubt that your friend may have suffered
through a couple of $300 oil changes that were change-ups to a hefty
service bill.

OTOH, one can walk into just about any Jiffy Lube in the country and if
you're a gullible moron, walk out with a change of oil, transmission
flush, some new filters and wiper blades and have your wallet $125 or
better lighter.

Does that guarantee that the same will happen to you? Nope, only if you
too are a gullible moron.

An informed consumer is an informed consumer. Perhaps it's just that a
higher proportion of those folks driving luxury cars don't know all that
much about the inner workings and are ripe for the picking.

OTOH, I have a friend in Texas who recently took delivery of a brand
new, specially ordered (color combo) Lexus. When he took it in for the
first oil change and break-in check, they gave him the same model car as
a loaner. Car had about 500 miles on it AND it had the exact set of
wheels on it that he'd been told were unavailable when he bought his.
He commented on this to the Service Writer. Service Writer excused
himself and asked Dee to stand by. Came back with the GM in about ten
minutes and asked him if he really wanted those wheels and had 45
minutes to spare. He did and he did. He drove out of the dealership
with the exact wheels he wanted with his own tires mounted and
rebalanced - NO CHARGE!

Soooo... Will it happen to me or you if we go to that dealership or
another one? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be damned if I'll forgo
driving the car I want because of one or two half-cocked general bitches
about a manufacturer's dealers. Especially when it's based upon the
ALLEGED misdeeds of ANOTHER manufacturer's dealerships.

That makes about as much sense as saying "I'm NEVER going to travel to
Bermuda because a friend was treated so shabbily when he went to Sweden!"

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Art wrote:
> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
> not covered by warranty.
>
>
> "Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Art wrote:
>>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?

"Similar Infiniti?" Similar to what? A Honda Infiniti? A Toyota
Infiniti? Another car with 4 wheels on the ground?

Jeez, that's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

I'm sure we can recite anecdotal experiences with just about any auto
dealership and I have little doubt that your friend may have suffered
through a couple of $300 oil changes that were change-ups to a hefty
service bill.

OTOH, one can walk into just about any Jiffy Lube in the country and if
you're a gullible moron, walk out with a change of oil, transmission
flush, some new filters and wiper blades and have your wallet $125 or
better lighter.

Does that guarantee that the same will happen to you? Nope, only if you
too are a gullible moron.

An informed consumer is an informed consumer. Perhaps it's just that a
higher proportion of those folks driving luxury cars don't know all that
much about the inner workings and are ripe for the picking.

OTOH, I have a friend in Texas who recently took delivery of a brand
new, specially ordered (color combo) Lexus. When he took it in for the
first oil change and break-in check, they gave him the same model car as
a loaner. Car had about 500 miles on it AND it had the exact set of
wheels on it that he'd been told were unavailable when he bought his.
He commented on this to the Service Writer. Service Writer excused
himself and asked Dee to stand by. Came back with the GM in about ten
minutes and asked him if he really wanted those wheels and had 45
minutes to spare. He did and he did. He drove out of the dealership
with the exact wheels he wanted with his own tires mounted and
rebalanced - NO CHARGE!

Soooo... Will it happen to me or you if we go to that dealership or
another one? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be damned if I'll forgo
driving the car I want because of one or two half-cocked general bitches
about a manufacturer's dealers. Especially when it's based upon the
ALLEGED misdeeds of ANOTHER manufacturer's dealerships.

That makes about as much sense as saying "I'm NEVER going to travel to
Bermuda because a friend was treated so shabbily when he went to Sweden!"

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Big Blue wrote:
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?
>

Which models are you considering?

What are your personal priorities?

John

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Big Blue wrote:
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?
>

Which models are you considering?

What are your personal priorities?

John

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Big Blue wrote:
> I have test drove a few Acura and was very impress with the engine and
> "fun to drive" handling, suspencion, etc. However, Lexus just feels
> so good and the ride is smooth.
>
> Now I know this is Honda group but which would you buy?
>

Which models are you considering?

What are your personal priorities?

John

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

In article <NnNJg.4255$bM.1212@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
> not covered by warranty.

At the dealer, sure. They figure people who are silly enough to spend
$50K for a new car, don't really care about the minimum $300 service
bill.

You should see what some Lexus dealers are soaking their customers for
for simple oil changes.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

In article <NnNJg.4255$bM.1212@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
> not covered by warranty.

At the dealer, sure. They figure people who are silly enough to spend
$50K for a new car, don't really care about the minimum $300 service
bill.

You should see what some Lexus dealers are soaking their customers for
for simple oil changes.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

In article <NnNJg.4255$bM.1212@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
> not covered by warranty.

At the dealer, sure. They figure people who are silly enough to spend
$50K for a new car, don't really care about the minimum $300 service
bill.

You should see what some Lexus dealers are soaking their customers for
for simple oil changes.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Infiniti is in the same class as the Acura and Lexus and if you google the
Toyota group you will find several complaints about the cost of routine
maintenence at Lexus dealerships. You may not believe in bringing your
Lexus to a dealer for maitenence but most people in that price class do.


"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:5JNJg.13735$1f6.1402@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
> Art wrote:
>> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
>> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
>> not covered by warranty.
>>
>>
>> "Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>> Art wrote:
>>>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>>>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
>
> "Similar Infiniti?" Similar to what? A Honda Infiniti? A Toyota
> Infiniti? Another car with 4 wheels on the ground?
>
> Jeez, that's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
>
> I'm sure we can recite anecdotal experiences with just about any auto
> dealership and I have little doubt that your friend may have suffered
> through a couple of $300 oil changes that were change-ups to a hefty
> service bill.
>
> OTOH, one can walk into just about any Jiffy Lube in the country and if
> you're a gullible moron, walk out with a change of oil, transmission
> flush, some new filters and wiper blades and have your wallet $125 or
> better lighter.
>
> Does that guarantee that the same will happen to you? Nope, only if you
> too are a gullible moron.
>
> An informed consumer is an informed consumer. Perhaps it's just that a
> higher proportion of those folks driving luxury cars don't know all that
> much about the inner workings and are ripe for the picking.
>
> OTOH, I have a friend in Texas who recently took delivery of a brand new,
> specially ordered (color combo) Lexus. When he took it in for the first
> oil change and break-in check, they gave him the same model car as a
> loaner. Car had about 500 miles on it AND it had the exact set of wheels
> on it that he'd been told were unavailable when he bought his. He
> commented on this to the Service Writer. Service Writer excused himself
> and asked Dee to stand by. Came back with the GM in about ten minutes and
> asked him if he really wanted those wheels and had 45 minutes to spare.
> He did and he did. He drove out of the dealership with the exact wheels
> he wanted with his own tires mounted and rebalanced - NO CHARGE!
>
> Soooo... Will it happen to me or you if we go to that dealership or
> another one? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be damned if I'll forgo driving
> the car I want because of one or two half-cocked general bitches about a
> manufacturer's dealers. Especially when it's based upon the ALLEGED
> misdeeds of ANOTHER manufacturer's dealerships.
>
> That makes about as much sense as saying "I'm NEVER going to travel to
> Bermuda because a friend was treated so shabbily when he went to Sweden!"

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Infiniti is in the same class as the Acura and Lexus and if you google the
Toyota group you will find several complaints about the cost of routine
maintenence at Lexus dealerships. You may not believe in bringing your
Lexus to a dealer for maitenence but most people in that price class do.


"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:5JNJg.13735$1f6.1402@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
> Art wrote:
>> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
>> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
>> not covered by warranty.
>>
>>
>> "Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>> Art wrote:
>>>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>>>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
>
> "Similar Infiniti?" Similar to what? A Honda Infiniti? A Toyota
> Infiniti? Another car with 4 wheels on the ground?
>
> Jeez, that's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
>
> I'm sure we can recite anecdotal experiences with just about any auto
> dealership and I have little doubt that your friend may have suffered
> through a couple of $300 oil changes that were change-ups to a hefty
> service bill.
>
> OTOH, one can walk into just about any Jiffy Lube in the country and if
> you're a gullible moron, walk out with a change of oil, transmission
> flush, some new filters and wiper blades and have your wallet $125 or
> better lighter.
>
> Does that guarantee that the same will happen to you? Nope, only if you
> too are a gullible moron.
>
> An informed consumer is an informed consumer. Perhaps it's just that a
> higher proportion of those folks driving luxury cars don't know all that
> much about the inner workings and are ripe for the picking.
>
> OTOH, I have a friend in Texas who recently took delivery of a brand new,
> specially ordered (color combo) Lexus. When he took it in for the first
> oil change and break-in check, they gave him the same model car as a
> loaner. Car had about 500 miles on it AND it had the exact set of wheels
> on it that he'd been told were unavailable when he bought his. He
> commented on this to the Service Writer. Service Writer excused himself
> and asked Dee to stand by. Came back with the GM in about ten minutes and
> asked him if he really wanted those wheels and had 45 minutes to spare.
> He did and he did. He drove out of the dealership with the exact wheels
> he wanted with his own tires mounted and rebalanced - NO CHARGE!
>
> Soooo... Will it happen to me or you if we go to that dealership or
> another one? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be damned if I'll forgo driving
> the car I want because of one or two half-cocked general bitches about a
> manufacturer's dealers. Especially when it's based upon the ALLEGED
> misdeeds of ANOTHER manufacturer's dealerships.
>
> That makes about as much sense as saying "I'm NEVER going to travel to
> Bermuda because a friend was treated so shabbily when he went to Sweden!"

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Infiniti is in the same class as the Acura and Lexus and if you google the
Toyota group you will find several complaints about the cost of routine
maintenence at Lexus dealerships. You may not believe in bringing your
Lexus to a dealer for maitenence but most people in that price class do.


"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:5JNJg.13735$1f6.1402@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
> Art wrote:
>> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
>> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of work
>> not covered by warranty.
>>
>>
>> "Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>> Art wrote:
>>>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>>>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
>
> "Similar Infiniti?" Similar to what? A Honda Infiniti? A Toyota
> Infiniti? Another car with 4 wheels on the ground?
>
> Jeez, that's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
>
> I'm sure we can recite anecdotal experiences with just about any auto
> dealership and I have little doubt that your friend may have suffered
> through a couple of $300 oil changes that were change-ups to a hefty
> service bill.
>
> OTOH, one can walk into just about any Jiffy Lube in the country and if
> you're a gullible moron, walk out with a change of oil, transmission
> flush, some new filters and wiper blades and have your wallet $125 or
> better lighter.
>
> Does that guarantee that the same will happen to you? Nope, only if you
> too are a gullible moron.
>
> An informed consumer is an informed consumer. Perhaps it's just that a
> higher proportion of those folks driving luxury cars don't know all that
> much about the inner workings and are ripe for the picking.
>
> OTOH, I have a friend in Texas who recently took delivery of a brand new,
> specially ordered (color combo) Lexus. When he took it in for the first
> oil change and break-in check, they gave him the same model car as a
> loaner. Car had about 500 miles on it AND it had the exact set of wheels
> on it that he'd been told were unavailable when he bought his. He
> commented on this to the Service Writer. Service Writer excused himself
> and asked Dee to stand by. Came back with the GM in about ten minutes and
> asked him if he really wanted those wheels and had 45 minutes to spare.
> He did and he did. He drove out of the dealership with the exact wheels
> he wanted with his own tires mounted and rebalanced - NO CHARGE!
>
> Soooo... Will it happen to me or you if we go to that dealership or
> another one? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be damned if I'll forgo driving
> the car I want because of one or two half-cocked general bitches about a
> manufacturer's dealers. Especially when it's based upon the ALLEGED
> misdeeds of ANOTHER manufacturer's dealerships.
>
> That makes about as much sense as saying "I'm NEVER going to travel to
> Bermuda because a friend was treated so shabbily when he went to Sweden!"

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:utXJg.4409$bM.1486@newsread4.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> Infiniti is in the same class as the Acura and Lexus and if you google the
> Toyota group you will find several complaints about the cost of routine
> maintenence at Lexus dealerships. You may not believe in bringing your
> Lexus to a dealer for maitenence but most people in that price class do.
>
>
As a prior owner of a RX300 I can confirm the price of service is high. The
5000 mile service -- an oil change essentially with tire rotation -- ran
over $150.00 and that was several years ago. The service at 30k was close
to $900.00 which included new rear brake pads. Our Pilot is significantly
less to operate.


> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:5JNJg.13735$1f6.1402@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
> > Art wrote:
> >> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
> >> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of
work
> >> not covered by warranty.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> >>> Art wrote:
> >>>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
> >>>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
> >
> > "Similar Infiniti?" Similar to what? A Honda Infiniti? A Toyota
> > Infiniti? Another car with 4 wheels on the ground?
> >
> > Jeez, that's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
> >
> > I'm sure we can recite anecdotal experiences with just about any auto
> > dealership and I have little doubt that your friend may have suffered
> > through a couple of $300 oil changes that were change-ups to a hefty
> > service bill.
> >
> > OTOH, one can walk into just about any Jiffy Lube in the country and if
> > you're a gullible moron, walk out with a change of oil, transmission
> > flush, some new filters and wiper blades and have your wallet $125 or
> > better lighter.
> >
> > Does that guarantee that the same will happen to you? Nope, only if you
> > too are a gullible moron.
> >
> > An informed consumer is an informed consumer. Perhaps it's just that a
> > higher proportion of those folks driving luxury cars don't know all that
> > much about the inner workings and are ripe for the picking.
> >
> > OTOH, I have a friend in Texas who recently took delivery of a brand
new,
> > specially ordered (color combo) Lexus. When he took it in for the first
> > oil change and break-in check, they gave him the same model car as a
> > loaner. Car had about 500 miles on it AND it had the exact set of
wheels
> > on it that he'd been told were unavailable when he bought his. He
> > commented on this to the Service Writer. Service Writer excused himself
> > and asked Dee to stand by. Came back with the GM in about ten minutes
and
> > asked him if he really wanted those wheels and had 45 minutes to spare.
> > He did and he did. He drove out of the dealership with the exact wheels
> > he wanted with his own tires mounted and rebalanced - NO CHARGE!
> >
> > Soooo... Will it happen to me or you if we go to that dealership or
> > another one? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be damned if I'll forgo
driving
> > the car I want because of one or two half-cocked general bitches about a
> > manufacturer's dealers. Especially when it's based upon the ALLEGED
> > misdeeds of ANOTHER manufacturer's dealerships.
> >
> > That makes about as much sense as saying "I'm NEVER going to travel to
> > Bermuda because a friend was treated so shabbily when he went to
Sweden!"
>
>

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:utXJg.4409$bM.1486@newsread4.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> Infiniti is in the same class as the Acura and Lexus and if you google the
> Toyota group you will find several complaints about the cost of routine
> maintenence at Lexus dealerships. You may not believe in bringing your
> Lexus to a dealer for maitenence but most people in that price class do.
>
>
As a prior owner of a RX300 I can confirm the price of service is high. The
5000 mile service -- an oil change essentially with tire rotation -- ran
over $150.00 and that was several years ago. The service at 30k was close
to $900.00 which included new rear brake pads. Our Pilot is significantly
less to operate.


> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:5JNJg.13735$1f6.1402@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
> > Art wrote:
> >> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
> >> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of
work
> >> not covered by warranty.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> >>> Art wrote:
> >>>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
> >>>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
> >
> > "Similar Infiniti?" Similar to what? A Honda Infiniti? A Toyota
> > Infiniti? Another car with 4 wheels on the ground?
> >
> > Jeez, that's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
> >
> > I'm sure we can recite anecdotal experiences with just about any auto
> > dealership and I have little doubt that your friend may have suffered
> > through a couple of $300 oil changes that were change-ups to a hefty
> > service bill.
> >
> > OTOH, one can walk into just about any Jiffy Lube in the country and if
> > you're a gullible moron, walk out with a change of oil, transmission
> > flush, some new filters and wiper blades and have your wallet $125 or
> > better lighter.
> >
> > Does that guarantee that the same will happen to you? Nope, only if you
> > too are a gullible moron.
> >
> > An informed consumer is an informed consumer. Perhaps it's just that a
> > higher proportion of those folks driving luxury cars don't know all that
> > much about the inner workings and are ripe for the picking.
> >
> > OTOH, I have a friend in Texas who recently took delivery of a brand
new,
> > specially ordered (color combo) Lexus. When he took it in for the first
> > oil change and break-in check, they gave him the same model car as a
> > loaner. Car had about 500 miles on it AND it had the exact set of
wheels
> > on it that he'd been told were unavailable when he bought his. He
> > commented on this to the Service Writer. Service Writer excused himself
> > and asked Dee to stand by. Came back with the GM in about ten minutes
and
> > asked him if he really wanted those wheels and had 45 minutes to spare.
> > He did and he did. He drove out of the dealership with the exact wheels
> > he wanted with his own tires mounted and rebalanced - NO CHARGE!
> >
> > Soooo... Will it happen to me or you if we go to that dealership or
> > another one? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be damned if I'll forgo
driving
> > the car I want because of one or two half-cocked general bitches about a
> > manufacturer's dealers. Especially when it's based upon the ALLEGED
> > misdeeds of ANOTHER manufacturer's dealerships.
> >
> > That makes about as much sense as saying "I'm NEVER going to travel to
> > Bermuda because a friend was treated so shabbily when he went to
Sweden!"
>
>

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:utXJg.4409$bM.1486@newsread4.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> Infiniti is in the same class as the Acura and Lexus and if you google the
> Toyota group you will find several complaints about the cost of routine
> maintenence at Lexus dealerships. You may not believe in bringing your
> Lexus to a dealer for maitenence but most people in that price class do.
>
>
As a prior owner of a RX300 I can confirm the price of service is high. The
5000 mile service -- an oil change essentially with tire rotation -- ran
over $150.00 and that was several years ago. The service at 30k was close
to $900.00 which included new rear brake pads. Our Pilot is significantly
less to operate.


> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:5JNJg.13735$1f6.1402@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
> > Art wrote:
> >> Well I am actually going by the experience of a friend with a similar
> >> Infiniti. Any time the car was in for maintence it required $300 of
work
> >> not covered by warranty.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lee Florack" <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> >>> Art wrote:
> >>>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
> >>>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
> >
> > "Similar Infiniti?" Similar to what? A Honda Infiniti? A Toyota
> > Infiniti? Another car with 4 wheels on the ground?
> >
> > Jeez, that's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
> >
> > I'm sure we can recite anecdotal experiences with just about any auto
> > dealership and I have little doubt that your friend may have suffered
> > through a couple of $300 oil changes that were change-ups to a hefty
> > service bill.
> >
> > OTOH, one can walk into just about any Jiffy Lube in the country and if
> > you're a gullible moron, walk out with a change of oil, transmission
> > flush, some new filters and wiper blades and have your wallet $125 or
> > better lighter.
> >
> > Does that guarantee that the same will happen to you? Nope, only if you
> > too are a gullible moron.
> >
> > An informed consumer is an informed consumer. Perhaps it's just that a
> > higher proportion of those folks driving luxury cars don't know all that
> > much about the inner workings and are ripe for the picking.
> >
> > OTOH, I have a friend in Texas who recently took delivery of a brand
new,
> > specially ordered (color combo) Lexus. When he took it in for the first
> > oil change and break-in check, they gave him the same model car as a
> > loaner. Car had about 500 miles on it AND it had the exact set of
wheels
> > on it that he'd been told were unavailable when he bought his. He
> > commented on this to the Service Writer. Service Writer excused himself
> > and asked Dee to stand by. Came back with the GM in about ten minutes
and
> > asked him if he really wanted those wheels and had 45 minutes to spare.
> > He did and he did. He drove out of the dealership with the exact wheels
> > he wanted with his own tires mounted and rebalanced - NO CHARGE!
> >
> > Soooo... Will it happen to me or you if we go to that dealership or
> > another one? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be damned if I'll forgo
driving
> > the car I want because of one or two half-cocked general bitches about a
> > manufacturer's dealers. Especially when it's based upon the ALLEGED
> > misdeeds of ANOTHER manufacturer's dealerships.
> >
> > That makes about as much sense as saying "I'm NEVER going to travel to
> > Bermuda because a friend was treated so shabbily when he went to
Sweden!"
>
>

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Lee Florack <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in
news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

> Art wrote:
>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
>
> I have no idea where you got that figure from. I'm on my 3rd Acura
> and I've never paid anywhere near $300 for an oil change. For
> instance, the last oil change (at my Acura dealer) I got on my RL
> was $36. It included the normal visual inspections, a wash,
> interior vacuum and an alignment (toe-in) check.
>

Acura's A/B/C services are the same as for Hondas. You pay a few bucks
more, but they're pretty close.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Lee Florack <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in
news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

> Art wrote:
>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
>
> I have no idea where you got that figure from. I'm on my 3rd Acura
> and I've never paid anywhere near $300 for an oil change. For
> instance, the last oil change (at my Acura dealer) I got on my RL
> was $36. It included the normal visual inspections, a wash,
> interior vacuum and an alignment (toe-in) check.
>

Acura's A/B/C services are the same as for Hondas. You pay a few bucks
more, but they're pretty close.

Re: Would you buy Lexus or Acura?
 

Lee Florack <lflorack@rochester.rr.com> wrote in
news:XvMJg.31510$uH6.31066@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

> Art wrote:
>> I would not waste money on either. I would buy a Honda or Toyota or
>> other ordinary car. Do you enjoy $300 oil changes?
>
> I have no idea where you got that figure from. I'm on my 3rd Acura
> and I've never paid anywhere near $300 for an oil change. For
> instance, the last oil change (at my Acura dealer) I got on my RL
> was $36. It included the normal visual inspections, a wash,
> interior vacuum and an alignment (toe-in) check.
>

Acura's A/B/C services are the same as for Hondas. You pay a few bucks
more, but they're pretty close.