Re: E85 fuel in Hyundai's
 

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:27:51 GMT, Veritas
<noneofyourbusiness@hall.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:41:45 -0500, "Dan K" <danielgkNOSPAM@visi.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Buckeyered" <SPAMPREVENTIONbuckeye_red@spamex.com> wrote in message
>>news:edle82p3uikcsn0ooaj97m76tchoh344qd@4ax.com. ..
>>>I have a 99 Elantra and a 02 Santa Fe and a local fuel center is
>>> selling E85 at .40 less a gallon than regular fuel.
>>> Can I burn this without any alterations or will I have to get a
>>> conversion kit or am I just out of luck?
>>
>>No E85 for you (or me with a 2002 XG350) but I have heard that flex fuel
>>vehicles get really bad mileage on E85, like if they get 20 mpg on gasoline
>>they get 10 mpg on E85. This makes that 40 cent a gallon cheaper E85 look
>>like not so good a deal anymore. I'm not at all sure this is true, its just
>>something I heard. Anyone out there know for sure? They keep saying that
>>alcohol burns hotter and faster so I'm not sure it makes sense that the
>>mileage would be that different, maybe E85 should even be better???
>>
>I'll vouch for that. I recently drove a GM car, a rental, rated at
>approximately 400 miles on a tank of gas, 300 on a tank of E85. There
>is less energy in a gallon of ethanol than a gallon of gasoline, so
>any price benefit would be lost to the lowre mileage.

Not to mention the amount of oil it takes to grow and process the corn
used to make the ethanol. The chosen claim a net 20% gain over just
using the oil to make gasoline. That requires a level of recycling
energy that far exceeds current practice. The real net result is much
more likly a net loss in efficiency but a net gain in ADM's bank
account.

Re: E85 fuel in Hyundai's
 

Another item you may want to consider is that all vehicles will get less
MPG when using E85 fuel. You would want to weigh the .40 savings
against that.

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Cars have to be built specially to handle E-85. They are typically called
> "flex-fuel" vehicles.
>
> More and more of these are being built all the time by more and more
> manufacturers. As I understand it, the number and availability of tax
> incentives to buy these are also growing by leaps and bounds. Hyundai and
> Kia will apparently join the "flex-fuel vehicle" rush in 2007.
>
> As for modifying a current vehicle, I won't say it's impossible, but so much
> would have to be modified, I doubt any kits will be made available, unless
> there are some very committed people out there.
>
> I would also ask people to think carefully before buying a vehicle that runs
> on E-85, unless it is a true "flex-fuel" vehicle, meaning it can also run on
> regular unleaded. For now, the availability of E-85 is limited, meaning
> unless your driving is totally local, you may have some problems finding a
> station that supplies it out of your area. As I understand it, that is
> changing rapidly also.
>
> Ethanol plants are being built and proposed left and right. I think you
> will find that this is a phenomenon that will become a very real part of our
> fuel future in the years to come.
>
> But for now, sorry but I don't think this will help your Elantra and Santa
> Fe.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "Buckeyered" <SPAMPREVENTIONbuckeye_red@spamex.com> wrote in message
> news:edle82p3uikcsn0ooaj97m76tchoh344qd@4ax.com...
>
>>I have a 99 Elantra and a 02 Santa Fe and a local fuel center is
>>selling E85 at .40 less a gallon than regular fuel.
>>Can I burn this without any alterations or will I have to get a
>>conversion kit or am I just out of luck?
>
>
>

Re: E85 fuel in Hyundai's
 

Another item you may want to consider is that all vehicles will get less
MPG when using E85 fuel. You would want to weigh the .40 savings
against that.

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Cars have to be built specially to handle E-85. They are typically called
> "flex-fuel" vehicles.
>
> More and more of these are being built all the time by more and more
> manufacturers. As I understand it, the number and availability of tax
> incentives to buy these are also growing by leaps and bounds. Hyundai and
> Kia will apparently join the "flex-fuel vehicle" rush in 2007.
>
> As for modifying a current vehicle, I won't say it's impossible, but so much
> would have to be modified, I doubt any kits will be made available, unless
> there are some very committed people out there.
>
> I would also ask people to think carefully before buying a vehicle that runs
> on E-85, unless it is a true "flex-fuel" vehicle, meaning it can also run on
> regular unleaded. For now, the availability of E-85 is limited, meaning
> unless your driving is totally local, you may have some problems finding a
> station that supplies it out of your area. As I understand it, that is
> changing rapidly also.
>
> Ethanol plants are being built and proposed left and right. I think you
> will find that this is a phenomenon that will become a very real part of our
> fuel future in the years to come.
>
> But for now, sorry but I don't think this will help your Elantra and Santa
> Fe.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "Buckeyered" <SPAMPREVENTIONbuckeye_red@spamex.com> wrote in message
> news:edle82p3uikcsn0ooaj97m76tchoh344qd@4ax.com...
>
>>I have a 99 Elantra and a 02 Santa Fe and a local fuel center is
>>selling E85 at .40 less a gallon than regular fuel.
>>Can I burn this without any alterations or will I have to get a
>>conversion kit or am I just out of luck?
>
>
>

Re: E85 fuel in Hyundai's
 

Another item you may want to consider is that all vehicles will get less
MPG when using E85 fuel. You would want to weigh the .40 savings
against that.

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Cars have to be built specially to handle E-85. They are typically called
> "flex-fuel" vehicles.
>
> More and more of these are being built all the time by more and more
> manufacturers. As I understand it, the number and availability of tax
> incentives to buy these are also growing by leaps and bounds. Hyundai and
> Kia will apparently join the "flex-fuel vehicle" rush in 2007.
>
> As for modifying a current vehicle, I won't say it's impossible, but so much
> would have to be modified, I doubt any kits will be made available, unless
> there are some very committed people out there.
>
> I would also ask people to think carefully before buying a vehicle that runs
> on E-85, unless it is a true "flex-fuel" vehicle, meaning it can also run on
> regular unleaded. For now, the availability of E-85 is limited, meaning
> unless your driving is totally local, you may have some problems finding a
> station that supplies it out of your area. As I understand it, that is
> changing rapidly also.
>
> Ethanol plants are being built and proposed left and right. I think you
> will find that this is a phenomenon that will become a very real part of our
> fuel future in the years to come.
>
> But for now, sorry but I don't think this will help your Elantra and Santa
> Fe.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "Buckeyered" <SPAMPREVENTIONbuckeye_red@spamex.com> wrote in message
> news:edle82p3uikcsn0ooaj97m76tchoh344qd@4ax.com...
>
>>I have a 99 Elantra and a 02 Santa Fe and a local fuel center is
>>selling E85 at .40 less a gallon than regular fuel.
>>Can I burn this without any alterations or will I have to get a
>>conversion kit or am I just out of luck?
>
>
>

Re: E85 fuel in Hyundai's
 

I prefer to look at it this way.

Even though the cost of E85 would be about the same when you factor fuel
economy loss. E85 is renewable, hence a $1 hike in one month is not as
likely as it would be with regular petroleum. Also, if more people
switch to E85, petroleum manufacturers would sell less forcing them to
FINALLY reduce the prices of their EXPENSIVE gas.

not mark wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:27:51 GMT, Veritas
> <noneofyourbusiness@hall.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:41:45 -0500, "Dan K" <danielgkNOSPAM@visi.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Buckeyered" <SPAMPREVENTIONbuckeye_red@spamex.com> wrote in message
>>>news:edle82p3uikcsn0ooaj97m76tchoh344qd@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>I have a 99 Elantra and a 02 Santa Fe and a local fuel center is
>>>>selling E85 at .40 less a gallon than regular fuel.
>>>>Can I burn this without any alterations or will I have to get a
>>>>conversion kit or am I just out of luck?
>>>
>>>No E85 for you (or me with a 2002 XG350) but I have heard that flex fuel
>>>vehicles get really bad mileage on E85, like if they get 20 mpg on gasoline
>>>they get 10 mpg on E85. This makes that 40 cent a gallon cheaper E85 look
>>>like not so good a deal anymore. I'm not at all sure this is true, its just
>>>something I heard. Anyone out there know for sure? They keep saying that
>>>alcohol burns hotter and faster so I'm not sure it makes sense that the
>>>mileage would be that different, maybe E85 should even be better???
>>>
>>
>>I'll vouch for that. I recently drove a GM car, a rental, rated at
>>approximately 400 miles on a tank of gas, 300 on a tank of E85. There
>>is less energy in a gallon of ethanol than a gallon of gasoline, so
>>any price benefit would be lost to the lowre mileage.
>
>
> Not to mention the amount of oil it takes to grow and process the corn
> used to make the ethanol. The chosen claim a net 20% gain over just
> using the oil to make gasoline. That requires a level of recycling
> energy that far exceeds current practice. The real net result is much
> more likly a net loss in efficiency but a net gain in ADM's bank
> account.

Re: E85 fuel in Hyundai's
 

I prefer to look at it this way.

Even though the cost of E85 would be about the same when you factor fuel
economy loss. E85 is renewable, hence a $1 hike in one month is not as
likely as it would be with regular petroleum. Also, if more people
switch to E85, petroleum manufacturers would sell less forcing them to
FINALLY reduce the prices of their EXPENSIVE gas.

not mark wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:27:51 GMT, Veritas
> <noneofyourbusiness@hall.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:41:45 -0500, "Dan K" <danielgkNOSPAM@visi.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Buckeyered" <SPAMPREVENTIONbuckeye_red@spamex.com> wrote in message
>>>news:edle82p3uikcsn0ooaj97m76tchoh344qd@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>I have a 99 Elantra and a 02 Santa Fe and a local fuel center is
>>>>selling E85 at .40 less a gallon than regular fuel.
>>>>Can I burn this without any alterations or will I have to get a
>>>>conversion kit or am I just out of luck?
>>>
>>>No E85 for you (or me with a 2002 XG350) but I have heard that flex fuel
>>>vehicles get really bad mileage on E85, like if they get 20 mpg on gasoline
>>>they get 10 mpg on E85. This makes that 40 cent a gallon cheaper E85 look
>>>like not so good a deal anymore. I'm not at all sure this is true, its just
>>>something I heard. Anyone out there know for sure? They keep saying that
>>>alcohol burns hotter and faster so I'm not sure it makes sense that the
>>>mileage would be that different, maybe E85 should even be better???
>>>
>>
>>I'll vouch for that. I recently drove a GM car, a rental, rated at
>>approximately 400 miles on a tank of gas, 300 on a tank of E85. There
>>is less energy in a gallon of ethanol than a gallon of gasoline, so
>>any price benefit would be lost to the lowre mileage.
>
>
> Not to mention the amount of oil it takes to grow and process the corn
> used to make the ethanol. The chosen claim a net 20% gain over just
> using the oil to make gasoline. That requires a level of recycling
> energy that far exceeds current practice. The real net result is much
> more likly a net loss in efficiency but a net gain in ADM's bank
> account.

Re: E85 fuel in Hyundai's
 

I prefer to look at it this way.

Even though the cost of E85 would be about the same when you factor fuel
economy loss. E85 is renewable, hence a $1 hike in one month is not as
likely as it would be with regular petroleum. Also, if more people
switch to E85, petroleum manufacturers would sell less forcing them to
FINALLY reduce the prices of their EXPENSIVE gas.

not mark wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:27:51 GMT, Veritas
> <noneofyourbusiness@hall.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:41:45 -0500, "Dan K" <danielgkNOSPAM@visi.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Buckeyered" <SPAMPREVENTIONbuckeye_red@spamex.com> wrote in message
>>>news:edle82p3uikcsn0ooaj97m76tchoh344qd@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>>I have a 99 Elantra and a 02 Santa Fe and a local fuel center is
>>>>selling E85 at .40 less a gallon than regular fuel.
>>>>Can I burn this without any alterations or will I have to get a
>>>>conversion kit or am I just out of luck?
>>>
>>>No E85 for you (or me with a 2002 XG350) but I have heard that flex fuel
>>>vehicles get really bad mileage on E85, like if they get 20 mpg on gasoline
>>>they get 10 mpg on E85. This makes that 40 cent a gallon cheaper E85 look
>>>like not so good a deal anymore. I'm not at all sure this is true, its just
>>>something I heard. Anyone out there know for sure? They keep saying that
>>>alcohol burns hotter and faster so I'm not sure it makes sense that the
>>>mileage would be that different, maybe E85 should even be better???
>>>
>>
>>I'll vouch for that. I recently drove a GM car, a rental, rated at
>>approximately 400 miles on a tank of gas, 300 on a tank of E85. There
>>is less energy in a gallon of ethanol than a gallon of gasoline, so
>>any price benefit would be lost to the lowre mileage.
>
>
> Not to mention the amount of oil it takes to grow and process the corn
> used to make the ethanol. The chosen claim a net 20% gain over just
> using the oil to make gasoline. That requires a level of recycling
> energy that far exceeds current practice. The real net result is much
> more likly a net loss in efficiency but a net gain in ADM's bank
> account.