Elantra and synthetic oil
I've read a few old threads about synthetic oil, but I wanted to ask current users about it. I recently saw an ad for Mobil1 oil that claimed engines showed no wear after two hundred thousand miles. That sounds pretty outrageous - what do they mean? I'd appreciate hearing from folks that have used synthetic oil. Does it dramatically reduce engine wear? How many miles can you go between changes? Is it worth the extra cost compared with regular oil changed more often? Etc.
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Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
Lindyhop wrote:
> I've read a few old threads about synthetic oil, but I wanted to ask current users about it. I recently saw an ad for Mobil1 oil that claimed engines showed no wear after two hundred thousand miles. That sounds pretty outrageous - what do they mean? I'd appreciate hearing from folks that have used synthetic oil. Does it dramatically reduce engine wear? How many miles can you go between changes? Is it worth the extra cost compared with regular oil changed more often? Etc. I just switched my EGT over to 5W-30 synthetic. It's the first car I've done this with. We'll see if it makes a difference in 100,000 miles or so. ;-) Synthetic oils flow better and therefore circulate faster on startup. Because they're thinner, you'll get a bit better fuel mileage, especially in cold weather. The cost of synthetics doesn't have to be much - if any - more than "dinosaur" oil. Probably the best deal on the market is the SuperTech Full Synthetic that Walmart sells. As the name states, it's a full synthetic oil (not a blend), just like the big brand names. It's blended by a well known commercial blender (Warren) that produces oils for many other companies. I've seen analyses of it, but new and used, and it's on par with other synthetic oils. The major difference is that it sells ~$12 for a 5 quart jug, vs. $20-$22 for the major brands. That's less than twice the price of major brand "dino" oils. If you change the synthetic half as often (a realistic expectation) it actually costs less. |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
I have used synthetic in my last 2 vehicles. Never has oil related failures
in either (Ford and Dodge) at over 100,000 mi each. Other things went, like water pumps, starters, fuel pumps, but never the lubricated parts of any motor. Changed every 5000 miles on each "Lindyhop" <victorsacco_nospamers@highstream.net> wrote in message news:10d0rvqgi4ep0b0@corp.supernews.com... I've read a few old threads about synthetic oil, but I wanted to ask current users about it. I recently saw an ad for Mobil1 oil that claimed engines showed no wear after two hundred thousand miles. That sounds pretty outrageous - what do they mean? I'd appreciate hearing from folks that have used synthetic oil. Does it dramatically reduce engine wear? How many miles can you go between changes? Is it worth the extra cost compared with regular oil changed more often? Etc. VS |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Probably the best deal on the market is the SuperTech > Full Synthetic that Walmart sells. Speaking of Walmart... The Walmart near a relatives house does oil changes. For $27, you get an oil and filter change with the synthetic brand of your choice. For "full service" which includes top off other fluids and check some things, it is $3 more. It is not bulk oil either as they get the bottles and filters right off the store shelf and they give you what is left over from the last bottle. I chose Castrol which at $4.70/qt would be over $25 with tax by itself. Not bad for $31.xx after tax total and 1/2 qt left in a bottle placed in the trunk. I know Jiffy Lube and the similar drive thru places charge almost the same amount for a no name filter and unknown dino oil from a drum. I'm sure those filters and oil are acceptable but not for the same price as synthetic. On the flip side. Walmart did get something back as I ended up spending almost $60 in other general stuff I picked up in the store waiting the 30 minutes or so for them to finish my car. Back to the original subject. A great place to read about sythetic vs regular oil is here: http://www.performanceoiltechnology....lbreakdown.htm This site promotes Amsoil brand oil (which I've never used) but the same concepts apply to all sythetics vs. all regular oils. My Elantra is not old yet but my Mustang is. I've generally have been changing the oil about every 3500 miles and I use a mixture of synthetic and regular oil (50% each). If a single company that makes a sythetic blend would actually put the % of each oil that makes up the "blend", I'd compare and might consider buying it instead. I've got 150K miles on it now and although it burns a little more then it used too, it still runs and sounds perfect. If I ever have to tear it down. I'll report back what it looks like inside ;) And finally. Thanks for the tip. I normally do the changes myself and I will check out the Supertech brand. |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
After switching to synthetic oil is it necessary to continue using it for the life of the vehicle?
"norelpref" <norelpref@fake.inv> wrote in message news:hYqdnU6k3aXomkzdRVn-sw@giganews.com... > Brian Nystrom wrote: > > > Probably the best deal on the market is the SuperTech > > Full Synthetic that Walmart sells. > > Speaking of Walmart... The Walmart near a relatives house does oil > changes. For $27, you get an oil and filter change with the synthetic > brand of your choice. For "full service" which includes top off other > fluids and check some things, it is $3 more. It is not bulk oil either > as they get the bottles and filters right off the store shelf and they > give you what is left over from the last bottle. I chose Castrol which > at $4.70/qt would be over $25 with tax by itself. Not bad for $31.xx > after tax total and 1/2 qt left in a bottle placed in the trunk. I know > Jiffy Lube and the similar drive thru places charge almost the same > amount for a no name filter and unknown dino oil from a drum. I'm sure > those filters and oil are acceptable but not for the same price as > synthetic. > On the flip side. Walmart did get something back as I ended up spending > almost $60 in other general stuff I picked up in the store waiting the > 30 minutes or so for them to finish my car. > > Back to the original subject. > > A great place to read about sythetic vs regular oil is here: > http://www.performanceoiltechnology....lbreakdown.htm > This site promotes Amsoil brand oil (which I've never used) but the same > concepts apply to all sythetics vs. all regular oils. > > My Elantra is not old yet but my Mustang is. I've generally have been > changing the oil about every 3500 miles and I use a mixture of synthetic > and regular oil (50% each). If a single company that makes a sythetic > blend would actually put the % of each oil that makes up the "blend", > I'd compare and might consider buying it instead. I've got 150K miles > on it now and although it burns a little more then it used too, it still > runs and sounds perfect. If I ever have to tear it down. I'll report > back what it looks like inside ;) > > And finally. Thanks for the tip. I normally do the changes myself and I > will check out the Supertech brand. |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
"Lindyhop" <victorsacco_nospamers@highstream.net> wrote in message news:10d3g128deu7k7a@corp.supernews.com... After switching to synthetic oil is it necessary to continue using it for the life of the vehicle? No. "norelpref" <norelpref@fake.inv> wrote in message news:hYqdnU6k3aXomkzdRVn-sw@giganews.com... > Brian Nystrom wrote: > > > Probably the best deal on the market is the SuperTech > > Full Synthetic that Walmart sells. > > Speaking of Walmart... The Walmart near a relatives house does oil > changes. For $27, you get an oil and filter change with the synthetic > brand of your choice. For "full service" which includes top off other > fluids and check some things, it is $3 more. It is not bulk oil either > as they get the bottles and filters right off the store shelf and they > give you what is left over from the last bottle. I chose Castrol which > at $4.70/qt would be over $25 with tax by itself. Not bad for $31.xx > after tax total and 1/2 qt left in a bottle placed in the trunk. I know > Jiffy Lube and the similar drive thru places charge almost the same > amount for a no name filter and unknown dino oil from a drum. I'm sure > those filters and oil are acceptable but not for the same price as > synthetic. > On the flip side. Walmart did get something back as I ended up spending > almost $60 in other general stuff I picked up in the store waiting the > 30 minutes or so for them to finish my car. > > Back to the original subject. > > A great place to read about sythetic vs regular oil is here: > http://www.performanceoiltechnology....lbreakdown.htm > This site promotes Amsoil brand oil (which I've never used) but the same > concepts apply to all sythetics vs. all regular oils. > > My Elantra is not old yet but my Mustang is. I've generally have been > changing the oil about every 3500 miles and I use a mixture of synthetic > and regular oil (50% each). If a single company that makes a sythetic > blend would actually put the % of each oil that makes up the "blend", > I'd compare and might consider buying it instead. I've got 150K miles > on it now and although it burns a little more then it used too, it still > runs and sounds perfect. If I ever have to tear it down. I'll report > back what it looks like inside ;) > > And finally. Thanks for the tip. I normally do the changes myself and I > will check out the Supertech brand. |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
mrhct wrote:
> "Lindyhop" <victorsacco_nospamers@highstream.net> wrote in message > news:10d3g128deu7k7a@corp.supernews.com... > After switching to synthetic oil is it necessary to continue using it for > the life of the vehicle? > > No. There is a lot of myth and superstition regarding oil, synthetic in particular. Synth and "dino" oils are completely compatible and you can even mix them, which is what the "synthetic blend" oils on the market are. |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
I have switched from dino oil to synthetic on my new XG350L. I wish I
had done it years ago. I always changed my oil every 3 months or 3000 miles and religiously used 5W30 Valvoline with a Fram filter in my last new car. It ran OK but during the cold winters when starting I could hear the lifters until it warmed up. As it passed 25,000 miles it started using a quart between changes and when I sold it at 88,000 miles it was using two quarts using the "high-mileage" Valvoline 5W30. I am a former mechanic who had to change his filed of work due to back problems but I still try to do as much of my own mechanical work as possible including doing my own brakes, struts, heater cores, water pumps, serpentine belts, etc. In my seven years of working full time on cars I figure I must have changed the oil on about 10,000 cars and trucks (oh man do I hate diesels!). I calculated my oil change costs averaging about $7-8 dollars per oil change doing it myself and buying the oil and filters on sale in bulk. My new car has only seen Mobil 1 and Mobil I oil filters since it's first oil change after breaking the engine in at 2,500 miles. I now change my oil myself every 5000 miles and do not bother tracking time as the synthetic does not degrade and the Mobil 1 filter has synthetic media that filters very well. I could probably stretch it to 7500 miles between changes but I am conservative and baby my engine. My oil change costs have increased to about $32.00 per change ($4.50 per quart for 4.5 quarts plus $11 for the filter plus $.65 for the drain plug washer) as I still do it myself but I know this engine is getting much better care than the old one and since I am doing it much less often it doesn't work out to much more cost for superior protection. I never hear the lifters in the winter and it gets very cold here nor do I ever see the low pressure idiot light come on. Even after a change the idiot light goes out more quickly than in my old car. My wife's car is driving 25,000 a year and it is using the exact same oil and filter as I do (it's a Mitsubishi 3.0 liter and the Hyundai engine is (licensed) from Mitsubishi so I was able to buy in bulk for both cars saving a few bucks. I have run most of my cars well over 100,000 miles on dino oil yet I would not go back after changing to synthetic. I do recommend letting the car break in on it's original oil for the manufacturers recommended interval but after that use synthetic and a premium filter changing both every oil change. I can absolutely recommend Mobil 1 oil plus the Mobil 1 filter. Yes it's slightly more expensive but absolutely worth it in the long run no matter how you drive but especially if you fall into the severe duty driving range. Good luck! >I've read a few old threads about synthetic oil, but I wanted to ask current users about it. I recently saw an ad for Mobil1 oil that claimed engines showed no wear after two hundred thousand miles. That sounds pretty outrageous - what do they mean? I'd appreciate hearing from folks that have used synthetic oil. Does it dramatically reduce engine wear? How many miles can you go between changes? Is it worth the extra cost compared with regular oil changed more often? Etc. > >VS |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
Thanks to everyone for the informative responses.
"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:c8g4d0dbb81lh0lkltt9jrmsh7v9ogf8po@4ax.com... > I have switched from dino oil to synthetic on my new XG350L. I wish I > had done it years ago. I always changed my oil every 3 months or 3000 > miles and religiously used 5W30 Valvoline with a Fram filter in my > last new car. It ran OK but during the cold winters when starting I > could hear the lifters until it warmed up. As it passed 25,000 miles > it started using a quart between changes and when I sold it at 88,000 > miles it was using two quarts using the "high-mileage" Valvoline 5W30. > > I am a former mechanic who had to change his filed of work due to > back problems but I still try to do as much of my own mechanical work > as possible including doing my own brakes, struts, heater cores, water > pumps, serpentine belts, etc. In my seven years of working full time > on cars I figure I must have changed the oil on about 10,000 cars and > trucks (oh man do I hate diesels!). > > I calculated my oil change costs averaging about $7-8 dollars per oil > change doing it myself and buying the oil and filters on sale in bulk. > > My new car has only seen Mobil 1 and Mobil I oil filters since it's > first oil change after breaking the engine in at 2,500 miles. I now > change my oil myself every 5000 miles and do not bother tracking time > as the synthetic does not degrade and the Mobil 1 filter has synthetic > media that filters very well. I could probably stretch it to 7500 > miles between changes but I am conservative and baby my engine. My oil > change costs have increased to about $32.00 per change ($4.50 per > quart for 4.5 quarts plus $11 for the filter plus $.65 for the drain > plug washer) as I still do it myself but I know this engine is > getting much better care than the old one and since I am doing it much > less often it doesn't work out to much more cost for superior > protection. I never hear the lifters in the winter and it gets very > cold here nor do I ever see the low pressure idiot light come on. Even > after a change the idiot light goes out more quickly than in my old > car. My wife's car is driving 25,000 a year and it is using the exact > same oil and filter as I do (it's a Mitsubishi 3.0 liter and the > Hyundai engine is (licensed) from Mitsubishi so I was able to buy in > bulk for both cars saving a few bucks. > > I have run most of my cars well over 100,000 miles on dino oil yet I > would not go back after changing to synthetic. I do recommend letting > the car break in on it's original oil for the manufacturers > recommended interval but after that use synthetic and a premium filter > changing both every oil change. > > I can absolutely recommend Mobil 1 oil plus the Mobil 1 filter. Yes > it's slightly more expensive but absolutely worth it in the long run > no matter how you drive but especially if you fall into the severe > duty driving range. > > Good luck! > > >I've read a few old threads about synthetic oil, but I wanted to ask current users about it. I recently saw an ad for Mobil1 oil that claimed engines showed no wear after two hundred thousand miles. That sounds pretty outrageous - what do they mean? I'd appreciate hearing from folks that have used synthetic oil. Does it dramatically reduce engine wear? How many miles can you go between changes? Is it worth the extra cost compared with regular oil changed more often? Etc. > > > >VS > |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
"Lindyhop" <victorsacco_nospamers@highstream.net> wrote in message news:10d0rvqgi4ep0b0@corp.supernews.com... > I'd appreciate hearing from folks that have used synthetic oil. > Does it dramatically reduce engine wear? How would we know this, other than tearing the engine apart and using a micrometer to measure every internal part? :-) One simply has to understand its viscosity characteristics and believe that it is better for your engine. For one thing it is far better against viscosity breakdown and also variations in viscosity with temperature. This makes it a "must" for high performance (as in race) engines. One could then say if the oil is good enough for those engines then it must be also even better for mine. The next step is to justify the price. Brian Nystrom raised some great points in his post following, esp. regarding the Wal-Mart Synthetic oil, which provided it has the latest API rating, should be better than mineral oil. However from what I have read Mobil 1 is a superior product (from many technical aspects) and is probably justified in the higher price. I have been using Mobil 1 in my Elantra GT since 2500 miles and am very pleased. Everyone's experience and preferences may vary. All I know is, synthetic is better for your engine than mineral oil and is cheap insurance for your valued possession. If you can afford the $22 for the 5 quarts of Mobil 1 then it is money well spent. > How many miles can you go between changes? I still go by the manufacturer's recommended schedule, which for my driving regime, is 7500 miles between changes. That takes me about 8 months to reach ..... more than enough time to save my pennies for the Mobil 1. :-) -- Wayne Moses, 2002 Hyundai Elantra GT http://egt.gwebworks.com |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:c8g4d0dbb81lh0lkltt9jrmsh7v9ogf8po@4ax.com... > I calculated my oil change costs averaging about $7-8 dollars per oil > change doing it myself and buying the oil and filters on sale in bulk. > > My new car has only seen Mobil 1 and Mobil I oil filters since it's > first oil change after breaking the engine in at 2,500 miles. I now > change my oil myself every 5000 miles and do not bother tracking time > as the synthetic does not degrade and the Mobil 1 filter has synthetic > media that filters very well. I could probably stretch it to 7500 > miles between changes but I am conservative and baby my engine. My oil > change costs have increased to about $32.00 per change ($4.50 per > quart for 4.5 quarts plus $11 for the filter plus $.65 for the drain > plug washer) I knew I forgot something in my first reply to this thread .... If you change your oil yourself it works out just as cheap as taking it to some shops to do it for you. In my case, the filter is $4 (genuine Hyundai for warranty purposes) and the Mobil 1 is $20 or so (Wal-Mart, on special). I don't need to buy washers since I have a Fumoto valve. Total cost with taxes .... about $25, and the oil change is done hot and done right. That compares very favourably with most shops doing an oil change and 'topping up fluids' etc. At the end of the day, for the same money you get a much better oil in your car. For those interested in the installation of a Fumoto valve on their car, see the garage pages of my Elantra GT website. The URL is below. -- Wayne Moses, 2002 Hyundai Elantra GT http://egt.gwebworks.com |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
Wayne Moses wrote:
> In my case, the filter is $4 (genuine Hyundai > for warranty purposes) The warranty does not require you to use Hyundai filters. However, since the price isn't outrageous, there's no reason not to do so if it's convenient. Personally, I prefer the Purolator Pure One and will be switching to a slightly oversize filter at my next oil change, their #PL24458 (the stock filter is #PL14459). |
Re: Elantra and synthetic oil
Wayne Moses wrote: > The next step is to justify the price. Brian Nystrom raised some great > points in his post following, esp. regarding the Wal-Mart Synthetic oil, > which provided it has the latest API rating, should be better than mineral > oil. It's rated API SL/CF and "Meets or exceeds the latest North American and European new vehicle warranty requirements API SL/CF, ILSAC GF-3. ACEA A1-98, Corvette, Viper and previous API gasoline engine classifications SJ, SH." In other words, it's certified to be good stuff. > However from what I have read Mobil 1 is a superior product (from many > technical aspects) and is probably justified in the higher price. There are two diffent types of synthetic oils. One starts in a lab with completely synthetic ingredients (group 4 base stock) created "from the ground up", so to speak (Mobil 1, Amsoil, Royal Purple). The other starts with petroleum (group 3 base stock) that is refined and modified until it meets the same standards. It seems to be two different ways to reach the same goal and I have yet to see any scientific evidence that one method is superior to the other. I assume that Super Tech Full Synthetic is of the latter type, since it's less expensive to manufacture. Most other synthetic oils (Castrol, Valvoline, Penzoil) are as well. |
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