Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

For anyone that does not know, Matt has complained in the past that his
heating and AC are marginal in extreme temperatures. This morning was the
lowest temperature since I've had my Sonata, at -9°. It was warm and comfy.
The engine did growl a bit starting up, but in seconds smoothed out. Ohhhh,
those heated seats are nice too!
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> For anyone that does not know, Matt has complained in the past that his
> heating and AC are marginal in extreme temperatures. This morning was the
> lowest temperature since I've had my Sonata, at -9°. It was warm and comfy.
> The engine did growl a bit starting up, but in seconds smoothed out. Ohhhh,
> those heated seats are nice too!

I've been driving my old Chevy truck all week and was nice and toasty.
Had the heater on the second speed for a while the day it was -9 here,
but I got so hot I had to turn it back to low.

I drove the Sonata last night to pick up my wife from about 15 miles
away. Had the heater on speed 2 and still couldn't get the front
cleared from the windshield and side windows. Ran it on 3 on the way
home and still couldn't get the top 1/3 of the windshield frost-free and
had to duck my head to see to drive. What a crappy HVAC system. Well,
at least I have my 15 year-old truck for the cold weather.

I still wonder if it is a 4 cylinder vs. V-6 issue, but nothing could
ever be found wrong with my heater or AC. It seems to meet the specs,
but doesn't work worth crap. Well, at least not compared to my other
cars. It is a lot better than my two VW Beetles were. I had REAL
Beetles (1971 and 1975) not these new ones that DO have heaters and
defrosters.

So, the Sonata doesn't have the worst HVAC that I've ever owned, but
only the Beetles were worse.

Matt

P.S. It is -12 this morning. The wife and I are going out for
breakfast and, yes, I'm taking the truck even though it means hauling
the low around. :-)

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

Voyager wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> For anyone that does not know, Matt has complained in the past that
>> his heating and AC are marginal in extreme temperatures. This morning
>> was the lowest temperature since I've had my Sonata, at -9°. It was
>> warm and comfy. The engine did growl a bit starting up, but in seconds
>> smoothed out. Ohhhh, those heated seats are nice too!
>
> I've been driving my old Chevy truck all week and was nice and toasty.
> Had the heater on the second speed for a while the day it was -9 here,
> but I got so hot I had to turn it back to low.
>
> I drove the Sonata last night to pick up my wife from about 15 miles
> away. Had the heater on speed 2 and still couldn't get the front
> cleared from the windshield and side windows. Ran it on 3 on the way
> home and still couldn't get the top 1/3 of the windshield frost-free and
> had to duck my head to see to drive. What a crappy HVAC system. Well,
> at least I have my 15 year-old truck for the cold weather.
>
> I still wonder if it is a 4 cylinder vs. V-6 issue, but nothing could
> ever be found wrong with my heater or AC. It seems to meet the specs,
> but doesn't work worth crap. Well, at least not compared to my other
> cars. It is a lot better than my two VW Beetles were. I had REAL
> Beetles (1971 and 1975) not these new ones that DO have heaters and
> defrosters.
>
> So, the Sonata doesn't have the worst HVAC that I've ever owned, but
> only the Beetles were worse.
>
> Matt
>
> P.S. It is -12 this morning. The wife and I are going out for
> breakfast and, yes, I'm taking the truck even though it means hauling
> the low around. :-)

I meant plow, hauling the plow around. It is so cold here that my
keyboard won't even work properly! Although it is now up to -4 so it
feels pretty good out, especially with the sun shining.

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> I drove the Sonata last night to pick up my wife from about 15 miles away.
> Had the heater on speed 2 and still couldn't get the front cleared from
> the windshield and side windows. Ran it on 3 on the way home and still
> couldn't get the top 1/3 of the windshield frost-free and had to duck my
> head to see to drive. What a crappy HVAC system. Well, at least I have
> my 15 year-old truck for the cold weather.
>
> I still wonder if it is a 4 cylinder vs. V-6 issue, but nothing could ever
> be found wrong with my heater or AC. It seems to meet the specs, but
> doesn't work worth crap. Well, at least not compared to my other cars.
> It is a lot better than my two VW Beetles were. I had REAL Beetles (1971
> and 1975) not these new ones that DO have heaters and defrosters.
>
> So, the Sonata doesn't have the worst HVAC that I've ever owned, but only
> the Beetles were worse.
>
> Matt
>
> P.S. It is -12 this morning. The wife and I are going out for breakfast
> and, yes, I'm taking the truck even though it means hauling the low
> around. :-)

I don't know what the difference is, but mine has been fine. There was frost
on the windshield and the defroster cleared it up in a couple of minutes,
outside and inside. Leaving the house there was still a band at the top,
but by the time I got to the main street it was gone.

Never had a Beetle, but I had a '64 and a '70 Karmann Ghia. On the 64 the
heater tubes were rusted away. I carried an ice scraper for the inside.
The '70 was better but nothing like a real heater. My '62 Corvair had good
heat year round. Had to block the vents in summer. Well, I think it was
better. Back in the 60's my body could take the temperature extremes a
little easier than today.

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>> I drove the Sonata last night to pick up my wife from about 15 miles away.
>> Had the heater on speed 2 and still couldn't get the front cleared from
>> the windshield and side windows. Ran it on 3 on the way home and still
>> couldn't get the top 1/3 of the windshield frost-free and had to duck my
>> head to see to drive. What a crappy HVAC system. Well, at least I have
>> my 15 year-old truck for the cold weather.
>>
>> I still wonder if it is a 4 cylinder vs. V-6 issue, but nothing could ever
>> be found wrong with my heater or AC. It seems to meet the specs, but
>> doesn't work worth crap. Well, at least not compared to my other cars.
>> It is a lot better than my two VW Beetles were. I had REAL Beetles (1971
>> and 1975) not these new ones that DO have heaters and defrosters.
>>
>> So, the Sonata doesn't have the worst HVAC that I've ever owned, but only
>> the Beetles were worse.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> P.S. It is -12 this morning. The wife and I are going out for breakfast
>> and, yes, I'm taking the truck even though it means hauling the low
>> around. :-)
>
> I don't know what the difference is, but mine has been fine. There was frost
> on the windshield and the defroster cleared it up in a couple of minutes,
> outside and inside. Leaving the house there was still a band at the top,
> but by the time I got to the main street it was gone.
>
> Never had a Beetle, but I had a '64 and a '70 Karmann Ghia. On the 64 the
> heater tubes were rusted away. I carried an ice scraper for the inside.
> The '70 was better but nothing like a real heater. My '62 Corvair had good
> heat year round. Had to block the vents in summer. Well, I think it was
> better. Back in the 60's my body could take the temperature extremes a
> little easier than today.

I really thought the mouse nest I found on top of the cabin air filter
was the culprit, but removing that and installing a new filter made
little difference. I could detect more airflow this summer from the AC,
but the overall cooling performance was only slightly improved and I see
no detectable difference in heating performance.

Matt

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in news:wq1cl.13837$YU2.2230
@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:

> For anyone that does not know, Matt has complained in the past that his
> heating and AC are marginal in extreme temperatures. This morning was
the
> lowest temperature since I've had my Sonata, at -9°. It was warm and
comfy.
> The engine did growl a bit starting up, but in seconds smoothed out.
Ohhhh,
> those heated seats are nice too!

The heat in my 2000 Elantra didn't come on that day (I'm in Maryland). I
was SURE I broke something big...

But, it turned out that I was low on Anti-freeze, and my heater assembly
didn't start.

I added some 50/50 (over a half gallon!) and 20 minutes later, I smelled
heat!! I was VERY relieved...

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

"TheChris" <cabell@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B9A97327DA4B21740@85.214.105.209...
> "Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in news:wq1cl.13837$YU2.2230
> @nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>> For anyone that does not know, Matt has complained in the past that his
>> heating and AC are marginal in extreme temperatures. This morning was
> the
>> lowest temperature since I've had my Sonata, at -9°. It was warm and
> comfy.
>> The engine did growl a bit starting up, but in seconds smoothed out.
> Ohhhh,
>> those heated seats are nice too!
>
> The heat in my 2000 Elantra didn't come on that day (I'm in Maryland). I
> was SURE I broke something big...
>
> But, it turned out that I was low on Anti-freeze, and my heater assembly
> didn't start.
>
> I added some 50/50 (over a half gallon!) and 20 minutes later, I smelled
> heat!! I was VERY relieved...
>

My wifes '06 Elantra has good heat...Nothing like my 95 Silverado
though...It will roast you out...LOL....

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

TheChris wrote:
<snip>

> But, it turned out that I was low on Anti-freeze, and my heater assembly
> didn't start.
>
> I added some 50/50 (over a half gallon!) and 20 minutes later, I smelled
> heat!! I was VERY relieved...

If you *literally* smelled the heat, I guess that tells us where
the missing anti-freeze went <g>!


--
PB
"I suspect you're an arrogant little pissant who grew up in the
Red Bull generation." - CJW

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:51:48 +0000 (UTC), TheChris cast forth these pearls
of wisdom...:

> "Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in news:wq1cl.13837$YU2.2230
> @nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>> For anyone that does not know, Matt has complained in the past that his
>> heating and AC are marginal in extreme temperatures. This morning was
> the
>> lowest temperature since I've had my Sonata, at -9°. It was warm and
> comfy.
>> The engine did growl a bit starting up, but in seconds smoothed out.
> Ohhhh,
>> those heated seats are nice too!
>
> The heat in my 2000 Elantra didn't come on that day (I'm in Maryland). I
> was SURE I broke something big...
>
> But, it turned out that I was low on Anti-freeze, and my heater assembly
> didn't start.
>
> I added some 50/50 (over a half gallon!) and 20 minutes later, I smelled
> heat!! I was VERY relieved...

Hmmmmm... just an observation, but... you "smelled heat", then felt very
releaved? Hell, around here most of us just refer to that as a fart.
Works well to warm the car seat up on those chilly mornings, and is indeed
releaving.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

Plague Boy <plague_boy@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:97SdnXHxqM8g8OfUnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@earthlink.co m:

> TheChris wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> But, it turned out that I was low on Anti-freeze, and my heater
assembly
>> didn't start.
>>
>> I added some 50/50 (over a half gallon!) and 20 minutes later, I
smelled
>> heat!! I was VERY relieved...
>
> If you *literally* smelled the heat, I guess that tells us where
> the missing anti-freeze went <g>!
>
>

Well, it's more like when you're in a room with baseboard heating, or an
iron or a hair dryer on...There's a certain smell that hot air has for
me... It didn't smell like AF, it just was like, 'Hey, that's a different
smell!" :)

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

Mike Marlow <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in news:1tqoxu2o5xpz0
$.144ek2uv2kld0.dlg@40tude.net:

> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:51:48 +0000 (UTC), TheChris cast forth these
pearls
> of wisdom...:
>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in news:wq1cl.13837$YU2.2230
>> @nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>> For anyone that does not know, Matt has complained in the past that
his
>>> heating and AC are marginal in extreme temperatures. This morning
was
>> the
>>> lowest temperature since I've had my Sonata, at -9°. It was warm
and
>> comfy.
>>> The engine did growl a bit starting up, but in seconds smoothed out.
>> Ohhhh,
>>> those heated seats are nice too!
>>
>> The heat in my 2000 Elantra didn't come on that day (I'm in
Maryland). I
>> was SURE I broke something big...
>>
>> But, it turned out that I was low on Anti-freeze, and my heater
assembly
>> didn't start.
>>
>> I added some 50/50 (over a half gallon!) and 20 minutes later, I
smelled
>> heat!! I was VERY relieved...
>
> Hmmmmm... just an observation, but... you "smelled heat", then felt
very
> releaved? Hell, around here most of us just refer to that as a fart.
> Works well to warm the car seat up on those chilly mornings, and is
indeed
> releaving.
>

I had tried that for hours before... :)

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

TheChris wrote:

<snipped the crap>


Gawd what a mess X-news makes out of quoted text. Probably why I
canned it many years ago after trying it.

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

TheChris <cabell@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in news:Xns9BA154775116921740
@85.214.105.209:

> Plague Boy <plague_boy@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:97SdnXHxqM8g8OfUnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@earthlink.co m:
>
>> TheChris wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>> But, it turned out that I was low on Anti-freeze, and my heater
> assembly
>>> didn't start.
>>>
>>> I added some 50/50 (over a half gallon!) and 20 minutes later, I
> smelled
>>> heat!! I was VERY relieved...
>>
>> If you *literally* smelled the heat, I guess that tells us where
>> the missing anti-freeze went <g>!
>>
>>
>
> Well, it's more like when you're in a room with baseboard heating, or
an
> iron or a hair dryer on...There's a certain smell that hot air has for
> me... It didn't smell like AF, it just was like, 'Hey, that's a
different
> smell!" :)

Yeah, I've been noticing that... I like that I can run it from my USB
stick though :)

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

TheChris wrote:

>> Well, it's more like when you're in a room with baseboard heating, or
> an
>> iron or a hair dryer on...There's a certain smell that hot air has for
>> me... It didn't smell like AF, it just was like, 'Hey, that's a
> different
>> smell!" :)
>
> Yeah, I've been noticing that... I like that I can run it from my USB
> stick though :)

If you're somehow attempting to reply to my comment about Xnews, you
should know that Mozilla Thunderbird, as well as Firefox both are
available as portable apps that will run off of a thumb drive. I run
both on a 2GB thumb drive on the work box 10 hours a day, 4 days a week
w/o a hitch.

Google portable apps.

Re: Hey Matt, did you freeze today?
 

SB <sb@timelife.org> wrote in news:glt3vm$vsj$1@news.motzarella.org:

> TheChris wrote:
>
>>> Well, it's more like when you're in a room with baseboard heating, or
>> an
>>> iron or a hair dryer on...There's a certain smell that hot air has for
>>> me... It didn't smell like AF, it just was like, 'Hey, that's a
>> different
>>> smell!" :)
>>
>> Yeah, I've been noticing that... I like that I can run it from my USB
>> stick though :)
>
> If you're somehow attempting to reply to my comment about Xnews, you
> should know that Mozilla Thunderbird, as well as Firefox both are
> available as portable apps that will run off of a thumb drive. I run
> both on a 2GB thumb drive on the work box 10 hours a day, 4 days a week
> w/o a hitch.
>
> Google portable apps.
>

Yeah, I use ALL the Portable Apps - even 'Mac on a Stick' :)

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