How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

Every Hyundai Accent owner knows that whenever you turn on the air
blow to the windshield, the AC turns on Automatically. Is there a way
to switch this off so that I can save on gas?

Thanks

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

I dont have an accent, but I have an Elantra GT that does the same thing, I
just wait till the windows clearn off and push the A/C button and turn it
off and the blower still goes....


"Baris Akocan" <barisakocan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5e48abf.0402151341.40e73aa1@posting.google.c om...
> Every Hyundai Accent owner knows that whenever you turn on the air
> blow to the windshield, the AC turns on Automatically. Is there a way
> to switch this off so that I can save on gas?
>
> Thanks

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

On 15 Feb 2004 13:41:37 -0800, barisakocan@hotmail.com (Baris Akocan)
wrote:

>Every Hyundai Accent owner knows that whenever you turn on the air
>blow to the windshield, the AC turns on Automatically. Is there a way
>to switch this off so that I can save on gas?
>
>Thanks

Relax. In the old days, the A/C compressor running ate up gas. Now,
it might take maybe 1 mpg off your mileage. Not enough to lose a lot
of sleep (or money) over.

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

In the Pacific Northwest we like the AC on to dry out the air and clear the
windows more quickly.

"NobodyMan" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:gr4030t3pvea2krf5ho17lcgu198ivqbmv@4ax.com...
> On 15 Feb 2004 13:41:37 -0800, barisakocan@hotmail.com (Baris Akocan)
> wrote:
>
> >Every Hyundai Accent owner knows that whenever you turn on the air
> >blow to the windshield, the AC turns on Automatically. Is there a way
> >to switch this off so that I can save on gas?
> >
> >Thanks
>
> Relax. In the old days, the A/C compressor running ate up gas. Now,
> it might take maybe 1 mpg off your mileage. Not enough to lose a lot
> of sleep (or money) over.
>

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify the
window area, thus clearing it more quickly.
You won't notice any change in gas mileage even if you could turn it off.
The AC automatically turns off (disconnects the compressor drive
momentarily/as necesary) during periods of heavy load, like during
acceleration or going up steep hills, etc.
"Baris Akocan" <barisakocan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5e48abf.0402151341.40e73aa1@posting.google.c om...
> Every Hyundai Accent owner knows that whenever you turn on the air
> blow to the windshield, the AC turns on Automatically. Is there a way
> to switch this off so that I can save on gas?
>
> Thanks

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

"No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify the
window area, thus clearing it more quickly."

Clears WHAT more quickly? The ice? Don't think so! :)

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

On 18 Feb 2004 06:59:12 -0800, Xiaoding staggered into the Black Sun and
said:

Don't strip attributions from quoted material. Fixed:

> Pankoski wrote:
>> No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify
>> the window area, thus clearing it more quickly.
> Clears WHAT more quickly? The ice? Don't think so! :)

When air saturated with water vapor is exposed to cold windshields, the
water vapor condenses on the inside of the windshield--freezes if the
windshield's cold enough. When it's cold, it doesn't take much to
saturate the air with water vapor; 2 or 3 humans breathing normally in
an enclosed car will do that. I've seen this happen many times, but
then I live in Michigan, where it's usually humid and it's cold ~5
months of the year.

Ice on the *outside* of the windshield isn't affected by the moisture
content of the air coming from the defroster, just the warmth. You
still don't want moist air blowing against a cold windshield because
you'll get fog or ice forming on the windshield. Does this make sense
to you now?

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Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

Read the reply - did I say ice? No, I said humidity on the inside of the
window. Do you get ice forming on the inside of your windshield normally?
Think before you reply next time.
"Xiaoding" <xiaoding2@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:c7b381d.0402180659.3a5ecb59@posting.google.co m...
> "No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify the
> window area, thus clearing it more quickly."
>
> Clears WHAT more quickly? The ice? Don't think so! :)

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

>
> When air saturated with water vapor is exposed to cold windshields, the
> water vapor condenses on the inside of the windshield--freezes if the
> windshield's cold enough. When it's cold, it doesn't take much to
> saturate the air with water vapor; 2 or 3 humans breathing normally in
> an enclosed car will do that. I've seen this happen many times, but
> then I live in Michigan, where it's usually humid and it's cold ~5
> months of the year.
>
> Ice on the *outside* of the windshield isn't affected by the moisture
> content of the air coming from the defroster, just the warmth. You
> still don't want moist air blowing against a cold windshield because
> you'll get fog or ice forming on the windshield. Does this make sense
> to you now?

It makes sense that some folks have forgotten to define their terms.
AC on during defrost does NOT defrost the windshield more quickly! IT
TAKES LONGER.
Your talking about FOG, which is different than DEFROSTING. To say
that AC on
during defrost is quicker, is WRONG.

Xin

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

"Pankoski" <pankoski@ccrtc.com> wrote in message news:<1037h2bgfv5nad5@corp.supernews.com>...
> Read the reply - did I say ice? No, I said humidity on the inside of the
> window. Do you get ice forming on the inside of your windshield normally?
> Think before you reply next time.

No, what you said was this:

"No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify
the
window area, thus clearing it more quickly."

No mention was made as to what side of the window you were referring
to, nor as to what "clearing it more quickly" was referring to.

I am just trying to make the point that some people are playing fast
and lose with some terms here, and some readers might get the
impression that AC defrosts the windsheild more quickly. It doesn't.
It actually slows it down, hence the desire of some to get rid of this
"feature". AC does work great with DEFOGGING, and I and many others
have survived thus far by turning on the AC WHEN WE NEED TO, BY
ACTUALLY USING THE AC SWITCH. :)

Xin

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

In article <c7b381d.0402190603.4c18fd95@posting.google.com> , xiaoding2@mindspring.com (Xiaoding) wrote:
>"Pankoski" <pankoski@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
> news:<1037h2bgfv5nad5@corp.supernews.com>...
>> Read the reply - did I say ice? No, I said humidity on the inside of the
>> window. Do you get ice forming on the inside of your windshield normally?
>> Think before you reply next time.
>
>No, what you said was this:
>
>"No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify
>the
>window area, thus clearing it more quickly."
>
>No mention was made as to what side of the window you were referring
>to, nor as to what "clearing it more quickly" was referring to.
>
>I am just trying to make the point that some people are playing fast
>and lose with some terms here, and some readers might get the
>impression that AC defrosts the windsheild more quickly. It doesn't.
>It actually slows it down, hence the desire of some to get rid of this
>"feature". AC does work great with DEFOGGING, and I and many others
>have survived thus far by turning on the AC WHEN WE NEED TO, BY
>ACTUALLY USING THE AC SWITCH. :)

If the cabin is cold enough to form frost inside the windshield, the A/C
does not come on.

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:51:52 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:

>In article <c7b381d.0402190603.4c18fd95@posting.google.com> , xiaoding2@mindspring.com (Xiaoding) wrote:
>>"Pankoski" <pankoski@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
>> news:<1037h2bgfv5nad5@corp.supernews.com>...
>>> Read the reply - did I say ice? No, I said humidity on the inside of the
>>> window. Do you get ice forming on the inside of your windshield normally?
>>> Think before you reply next time.
>>
>>No, what you said was this:
>>
>>"No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify
>>the
>>window area, thus clearing it more quickly."
>>
>>No mention was made as to what side of the window you were referring
>>to, nor as to what "clearing it more quickly" was referring to.
>>
>>I am just trying to make the point that some people are playing fast
>>and lose with some terms here, and some readers might get the
>>impression that AC defrosts the windsheild more quickly. It doesn't.
>>It actually slows it down, hence the desire of some to get rid of this
>>"feature". AC does work great with DEFOGGING, and I and many others
>>have survived thus far by turning on the AC WHEN WE NEED TO, BY
>>ACTUALLY USING THE AC SWITCH. :)
>
>If the cabin is cold enough to form frost inside the windshield, the A/C
>does not come on.

No, the A/C won't run, but the AC compressor will run when the
defroster is turned on.

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

In article <fdpa309hiuk3vhksvebr4f6scf1ci24ura@4ax.com>, NobodyMan <none@none.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:51:52 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>In article <c7b381d.0402190603.4c18fd95@posting.google.com> ,
> xiaoding2@mindspring.com (Xiaoding) wrote:
>>>"Pankoski" <pankoski@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
>>> news:<1037h2bgfv5nad5@corp.supernews.com>...
>>>> Read the reply - did I say ice? No, I said humidity on the inside of the
>>>> window. Do you get ice forming on the inside of your windshield normally?
>>>> Think before you reply next time.
>>>
>>>No, what you said was this:
>>>
>>>"No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify
>>>the
>>>window area, thus clearing it more quickly."
>>>
>>>No mention was made as to what side of the window you were referring
>>>to, nor as to what "clearing it more quickly" was referring to.
>>>
>>>I am just trying to make the point that some people are playing fast
>>>and lose with some terms here, and some readers might get the
>>>impression that AC defrosts the windsheild more quickly. It doesn't.
>>>It actually slows it down, hence the desire of some to get rid of this
>>>"feature". AC does work great with DEFOGGING, and I and many others
>>>have survived thus far by turning on the AC WHEN WE NEED TO, BY
>>>ACTUALLY USING THE AC SWITCH. :)
>>
>>If the cabin is cold enough to form frost inside the windshield, the A/C
>>does not come on.
>
>No, the A/C won't run, but the AC compressor will run when the
>defroster is turned on.

The ECU monitors the input from the thermistor on the A/C evaporator to
prevent frosting of the evap. core surface. At start-up, if the temp. is below
set threshold, usually around 32 degrees, the ECU does not send ground signal
to the A/C relay, which means the compressor is not activated.

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

can you not just push the A/C button as I can in my 2004 Elantra GT and turn
it off in the defrost position???



"NobodyMan" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:fdpa309hiuk3vhksvebr4f6scf1ci24ura@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:51:52 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >In article <c7b381d.0402190603.4c18fd95@posting.google.com> ,
xiaoding2@mindspring.com (Xiaoding) wrote:
> >>"Pankoski" <pankoski@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
> >> news:<1037h2bgfv5nad5@corp.supernews.com>...
> >>> Read the reply - did I say ice? No, I said humidity on the inside of
the
> >>> window. Do you get ice forming on the inside of your windshield
normally?
> >>> Think before you reply next time.
> >>
> >>No, what you said was this:
> >>
> >>"No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify
> >>the
> >>window area, thus clearing it more quickly."
> >>
> >>No mention was made as to what side of the window you were referring
> >>to, nor as to what "clearing it more quickly" was referring to.
> >>
> >>I am just trying to make the point that some people are playing fast
> >>and lose with some terms here, and some readers might get the
> >>impression that AC defrosts the windsheild more quickly. It doesn't.
> >>It actually slows it down, hence the desire of some to get rid of this
> >>"feature". AC does work great with DEFOGGING, and I and many others
> >>have survived thus far by turning on the AC WHEN WE NEED TO, BY
> >>ACTUALLY USING THE AC SWITCH. :)
> >
> >If the cabin is cold enough to form frost inside the windshield, the A/C
> >does not come on.
>
> No, the A/C won't run, but the AC compressor will run when the
> defroster is turned on.
>

Re: How to use defrost only with FAN?
 

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:05:40 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:

>In article <fdpa309hiuk3vhksvebr4f6scf1ci24ura@4ax.com>, NobodyMan <none@none.net> wrote:
>>On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:51:52 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>In article <c7b381d.0402190603.4c18fd95@posting.google.com> ,
>> xiaoding2@mindspring.com (Xiaoding) wrote:
>>>>"Pankoski" <pankoski@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:<1037h2bgfv5nad5@corp.supernews.com>...
>>>>> Read the reply - did I say ice? No, I said humidity on the inside of the
>>>>> window. Do you get ice forming on the inside of your windshield normally?
>>>>> Think before you reply next time.
>>>>
>>>>No, what you said was this:
>>>>
>>>>"No there isn't a way to shut it off. The AC comes on to dehumidify
>>>>the
>>>>window area, thus clearing it more quickly."
>>>>
>>>>No mention was made as to what side of the window you were referring
>>>>to, nor as to what "clearing it more quickly" was referring to.
>>>>
>>>>I am just trying to make the point that some people are playing fast
>>>>and lose with some terms here, and some readers might get the
>>>>impression that AC defrosts the windsheild more quickly. It doesn't.
>>>>It actually slows it down, hence the desire of some to get rid of this
>>>>"feature". AC does work great with DEFOGGING, and I and many others
>>>>have survived thus far by turning on the AC WHEN WE NEED TO, BY
>>>>ACTUALLY USING THE AC SWITCH. :)
>>>
>>>If the cabin is cold enough to form frost inside the windshield, the A/C
>>>does not come on.
>>
>>No, the A/C won't run, but the AC compressor will run when the
>>defroster is turned on.
>
>The ECU monitors the input from the thermistor on the A/C evaporator to
>prevent frosting of the evap. core surface. At start-up, if the temp. is below
>set threshold, usually around 32 degrees, the ECU does not send ground signal
>to the A/C relay, which means the compressor is not activated.

Hmm. I can attest that at temps below 20 degrees F my compressor DOES
run. Out of curiousity I opened the hood and looked, It was
certainly engaged.