Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:

> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.
>
> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
> points about some of what is inside.

Yes, I was referring to the basic Fram filter.


> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
> changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
> organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
> bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
> filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
> that).

I tend to not use anything used by a quick change place. That
"endorsement" alone will keep me away.


> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
> filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
> the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
> gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.

Where is that test? I've seen only a few filter tests of any substance,
and although the Tough Guard is decidely better than the basic Fram,
I've never seen it place more than than in the lower part of the upper
third of the performance grid. Every test I've seen places the Mobil 1
filter at the top by a long shot, but then it is also at the top
price-wise by an equal margin.


> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
> sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
> of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
> the best one out there, bar none.

Baloney. It isn't even close to the Mobil 1 filter. It still uses a
cardboard end cap last I knew.
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...lterstudy.html


> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
> don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
> renting Gumby for an hour.

I haven't changed mine yet, but my other cars have easy access for a
filter wrench. If the Hyundai doesn't, that could be a problem.


> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
> applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).

Such as?


> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
> have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
> Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
> know better.

I'm well into my 40's also and have never had an oil filter related
failure. I did use Fram's on my 89 Acclaim until someone told me that
the lifter noise I heard at startup was due to the crappy anti-drainback
valve. I switched to AC filters and the noise went away completely. I
haven't used a Fram in the 15 years since then.

I've used ACs as they are a good filter at a very good price, at least
they were when Wal-Mart still sold them. Now that they are only
available at GM dealers, the price isn't that great anymore, however, I
was able to buy a case of them online for about $4 each and that will
probably last me until I'm ready to retire the minivan.


> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
> survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
> dumping sugar in one's gas tank.

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. I don't equate using Fram
filters to dumping sugar in the tank, but using the basic Fram filter
isn't far above that. There are too many other good filters on the
market for anyone to use a basic Fram. And for the price of a Tough
Guard, you can get better alternatives.

Matt

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.
>
> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
> points about some of what is inside.
>
> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
> changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
> organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
> bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
> filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
> that).
>
> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
> filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
> the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
> gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.
>
> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
> sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
> of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
> the best one out there, bar none.
>
> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
> don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
> renting Gumby for an hour.
>
> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
> applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).
>
> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
> have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
> Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
> know better.
>
> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
> survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
> dumping sugar in one's gas tank.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
>
>
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LwlHf.2318$C02.2138@trndny02...
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Joel Willstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>>
>>> Run, don't walk away from Fram filters. They are about the lowest
>>> quality oil filter currently on the market. There are a couple of web
>>> sites that show filters cut open and you can easily see how inferior
>>> Frams are these days. It is a shame because 20 years ago, they were one
>>> of the best available.
>> Agreed, Fram is junk! They're apparently the filter that prompted
>> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra. Purolator,
>> Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.
>
>
I have to agree to disagree. 1997 Tiburon, 258,000 MILES, all on FRAM
orange filters. The engine has NOT required ANY internal work.

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.
>
> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
> points about some of what is inside.
>
> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
> changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
> organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
> bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
> filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
> that).
>
> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
> filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
> the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
> gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.
>
> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
> sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
> of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
> the best one out there, bar none.
>
> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
> don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
> renting Gumby for an hour.
>
> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
> applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).
>
> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
> have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
> Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
> know better.
>
> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
> survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
> dumping sugar in one's gas tank.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
>
>
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LwlHf.2318$C02.2138@trndny02...
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Joel Willstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>>
>>> Run, don't walk away from Fram filters. They are about the lowest
>>> quality oil filter currently on the market. There are a couple of web
>>> sites that show filters cut open and you can easily see how inferior
>>> Frams are these days. It is a shame because 20 years ago, they were one
>>> of the best available.
>> Agreed, Fram is junk! They're apparently the filter that prompted
>> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra. Purolator,
>> Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.
>
>
I have to agree to disagree. 1997 Tiburon, 258,000 MILES, all on FRAM
orange filters. The engine has NOT required ANY internal work.

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.
>
> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
> points about some of what is inside.
>
> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
> changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
> organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
> bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
> filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
> that).
>
> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
> filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
> the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
> gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.
>
> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
> sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
> of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
> the best one out there, bar none.
>
> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
> don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
> renting Gumby for an hour.
>
> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
> applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).
>
> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
> have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
> Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
> know better.
>
> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
> survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
> dumping sugar in one's gas tank.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
>
>
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LwlHf.2318$C02.2138@trndny02...
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Joel Willstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>>
>>> Run, don't walk away from Fram filters. They are about the lowest
>>> quality oil filter currently on the market. There are a couple of web
>>> sites that show filters cut open and you can easily see how inferior
>>> Frams are these days. It is a shame because 20 years ago, they were one
>>> of the best available.
>> Agreed, Fram is junk! They're apparently the filter that prompted
>> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra. Purolator,
>> Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.
>
>
I have to agree to disagree. 1997 Tiburon, 258,000 MILES, all on FRAM
orange filters. The engine has NOT required ANY internal work.

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

Dan wrote:
> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this
>> site.
>>
>> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some
>> valid points about some of what is inside.
>>
>> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many
>> quick oil changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely,
>> these organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were
>> truly that bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a
>> "warranty void" on this filter if they felt like these were a problem
>> (yes, they can and will do that).
>>
>> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have
>> a filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on
>> this site, the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough
>> Guard, it comes in a gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of
>> the orange's $3 or so.
>>
>> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter,
>> from the sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen,
>> to the quality of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I
>> use it because it is the best one out there, bar none.
>>
>> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the
>> others don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my
>> car without renting Gumby for an hour.
>>
>> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for
>> different applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).
>>
>> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our
>> 40's), have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of
>> owned cars. Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a
>> Wix. We both now know better.
>>
>> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand
>> that has survived for decades by making quality products with the
>> equivalent of dumping sugar in one's gas tank.
>>
>> Tom Wenndt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:LwlHf.2318$C02.2138@trndny02...
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joel Willstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Run, don't walk away from Fram filters. They are about the lowest
>>>> quality oil filter currently on the market. There are a couple of
>>>> web sites that show filters cut open and you can easily see how
>>>> inferior Frams are these days. It is a shame because 20 years ago,
>>>> they were one of the best available.
>>>
>>> Agreed, Fram is junk! They're apparently the filter that prompted
>>> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra.
>>> Purolator, Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.
>>
>>
>>
> I have to agree to disagree. 1997 Tiburon, 258,000 MILES, all on FRAM
> orange filters. The engine has NOT required ANY internal work.
Good for you. That doesn't mean that they aren't built like crap, which
has been well documented. Their filters recently prompted a TSB from
Hyundai about problems with using aftermarket filters (they didn't name
Fram in the TSB, but that's the problem filter they elude to). Ignore
the evidence and do whatever you like but, but I won't use them in my car.

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

Dan wrote:
> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this
>> site.
>>
>> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some
>> valid points about some of what is inside.
>>
>> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many
>> quick oil changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely,
>> these organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were
>> truly that bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a
>> "warranty void" on this filter if they felt like these were a problem
>> (yes, they can and will do that).
>>
>> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have
>> a filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on
>> this site, the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough
>> Guard, it comes in a gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of
>> the orange's $3 or so.
>>
>> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter,
>> from the sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen,
>> to the quality of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I
>> use it because it is the best one out there, bar none.
>>
>> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the
>> others don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my
>> car without renting Gumby for an hour.
>>
>> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for
>> different applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).
>>
>> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our
>> 40's), have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of
>> owned cars. Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a
>> Wix. We both now know better.
>>
>> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand
>> that has survived for decades by making quality products with the
>> equivalent of dumping sugar in one's gas tank.
>>
>> Tom Wenndt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:LwlHf.2318$C02.2138@trndny02...
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joel Willstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Run, don't walk away from Fram filters. They are about the lowest
>>>> quality oil filter currently on the market. There are a couple of
>>>> web sites that show filters cut open and you can easily see how
>>>> inferior Frams are these days. It is a shame because 20 years ago,
>>>> they were one of the best available.
>>>
>>> Agreed, Fram is junk! They're apparently the filter that prompted
>>> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra.
>>> Purolator, Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.
>>
>>
>>
> I have to agree to disagree. 1997 Tiburon, 258,000 MILES, all on FRAM
> orange filters. The engine has NOT required ANY internal work.
Good for you. That doesn't mean that they aren't built like crap, which
has been well documented. Their filters recently prompted a TSB from
Hyundai about problems with using aftermarket filters (they didn't name
Fram in the TSB, but that's the problem filter they elude to). Ignore
the evidence and do whatever you like but, but I won't use them in my car.

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

Dan wrote:
> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this
>> site.
>>
>> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some
>> valid points about some of what is inside.
>>
>> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many
>> quick oil changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely,
>> these organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were
>> truly that bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a
>> "warranty void" on this filter if they felt like these were a problem
>> (yes, they can and will do that).
>>
>> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have
>> a filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on
>> this site, the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough
>> Guard, it comes in a gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of
>> the orange's $3 or so.
>>
>> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter,
>> from the sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen,
>> to the quality of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I
>> use it because it is the best one out there, bar none.
>>
>> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the
>> others don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my
>> car without renting Gumby for an hour.
>>
>> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for
>> different applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).
>>
>> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our
>> 40's), have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of
>> owned cars. Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a
>> Wix. We both now know better.
>>
>> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand
>> that has survived for decades by making quality products with the
>> equivalent of dumping sugar in one's gas tank.
>>
>> Tom Wenndt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:LwlHf.2318$C02.2138@trndny02...
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joel Willstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Run, don't walk away from Fram filters. They are about the lowest
>>>> quality oil filter currently on the market. There are a couple of
>>>> web sites that show filters cut open and you can easily see how
>>>> inferior Frams are these days. It is a shame because 20 years ago,
>>>> they were one of the best available.
>>>
>>> Agreed, Fram is junk! They're apparently the filter that prompted
>>> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra.
>>> Purolator, Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.
>>
>>
>>
> I have to agree to disagree. 1997 Tiburon, 258,000 MILES, all on FRAM
> orange filters. The engine has NOT required ANY internal work.
Good for you. That doesn't mean that they aren't built like crap, which
has been well documented. Their filters recently prompted a TSB from
Hyundai about problems with using aftermarket filters (they didn't name
Fram in the TSB, but that's the problem filter they elude to). Ignore
the evidence and do whatever you like but, but I won't use them in my car.

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:59:11 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>
>What are folks paying for Hyundai oil filters? I just bought the first
>one for my 06 Sonata (spin-on for the 4 cylinder) and the dealer price
>is $9.95. I think someone mentioned here getting a case mail order.
>What was the price for that?
>
>
>Matt

Not sure if these are for the '06 Sonata, but here is the site.

https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/a...filter&x=0&y=0

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:59:11 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>
>What are folks paying for Hyundai oil filters? I just bought the first
>one for my 06 Sonata (spin-on for the 4 cylinder) and the dealer price
>is $9.95. I think someone mentioned here getting a case mail order.
>What was the price for that?
>
>
>Matt

Not sure if these are for the '06 Sonata, but here is the site.

https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/a...filter&x=0&y=0

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:59:11 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>
>What are folks paying for Hyundai oil filters? I just bought the first
>one for my 06 Sonata (spin-on for the 4 cylinder) and the dealer price
>is $9.95. I think someone mentioned here getting a case mail order.
>What was the price for that?
>
>
>Matt

Not sure if these are for the '06 Sonata, but here is the site.

https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/a...filter&x=0&y=0

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

1 wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:59:11 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>What are folks paying for Hyundai oil filters? I just bought the first
>>one for my 06 Sonata (spin-on for the 4 cylinder) and the dealer price
>>is $9.95. I think someone mentioned here getting a case mail order.
>>What was the price for that?
>>
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> Not sure if these are for the '06 Sonata, but here is the site.
>
> https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/a...filter&x=0&y=0

Thank you! The picture isn't the best, but these look to be the real
McCoy. And for about half the price at the dealer.

Matt

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

1 wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:59:11 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>What are folks paying for Hyundai oil filters? I just bought the first
>>one for my 06 Sonata (spin-on for the 4 cylinder) and the dealer price
>>is $9.95. I think someone mentioned here getting a case mail order.
>>What was the price for that?
>>
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> Not sure if these are for the '06 Sonata, but here is the site.
>
> https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/a...filter&x=0&y=0

Thank you! The picture isn't the best, but these look to be the real
McCoy. And for about half the price at the dealer.

Matt

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

1 wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:59:11 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>What are folks paying for Hyundai oil filters? I just bought the first
>>one for my 06 Sonata (spin-on for the 4 cylinder) and the dealer price
>>is $9.95. I think someone mentioned here getting a case mail order.
>>What was the price for that?
>>
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> Not sure if these are for the '06 Sonata, but here is the site.
>
> https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/a...filter&x=0&y=0

Thank you! The picture isn't the best, but these look to be the real
McCoy. And for about half the price at the dealer.

Matt

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

what about the 3.3L v-6 filter? can't seem to find any on internet
yet..hate buying from the Dealer!

Re: Hyundai oil filters
 

what about the 3.3L v-6 filter? can't seem to find any on internet
yet..hate buying from the Dealer!