Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

It requires the timing belt replacement at 60,000 miles or 48 months.


631grant wrote:
>
> Fred, in your service many what is the TIME PERIOD that is required for the
> timing belt replacement? Solve the mystery so we can move on.
>
> "Fred" <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:486A8FB0.27962FE2@invalid.net...
> >
> > I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000
> > miles
> > that I
> > purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week
> > since
> > I purchased it new in October of 2004.
> >
> > My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the
> > timing
> > belt,
> > at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I
> > will no
> > longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
> >
> > I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not
> > be one
> > that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year, 100,000
> > mile
> > - Best in the industry" warrenty.
> >
> > This sucks!

Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

Hey, Fred. I'm going to reply to your post and a few others in this space
in the interest of keeping my post count down.

First, if you check your owner's manual, you'll see that the maintenance
interval for the timing belt is 4 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes
first. (You're welcome to verify this. I haven't looked in every manual
for every Hyundai model, but I don't recall anyting prior to 2006 which
had a different recommendation. Edit: during my typing this tome, I see
Fred did indeed verify the interval.) The time due, in your case, would
be four years from the in-service date of the vehicle. Also, if you're
not the original owner-- buying a 2004 vehicle in 10/05 makes me suspect
this-- you don't have the 10/100 powertrain warranty unless you purchased
one. Second and subsequent owners only get 5/60 powertrain.

Second, failure to replace the belt doesn't void any part of the warranty.
If you look at your warranty, you'll see that it specifically excludes
items which that failed due to not having the recommended preventive
maintenance done. So, if the belt fails beyond the maintenance interval,
Hyundai isn't responsible for repairing any damage caused by that failure.
On the other hand, if you have some componet that fails and has nothing to
do with the fact you haven't replaced the belt, that's still covered.

The reliability of the timing belt on this engine is very good. There's a
near zero probability it'll fail anywhere near the 4 year/60k mile
interval, and in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted twice that
long. Don't construe this, however, to be the same thing as a
recommendation to not replace the belt. Take the information I'm giving
you and make up your own mind. The longer you go, the greater the chance
of a problem.

$800 is far too high for replacing this timing belt. My eployer charges
$490, and I think we're too high. Shop around. If you are indeed the
original owner, though, insist on a factory belt even if you don't use a
dealer to do the work, keeping in mind that this may increase the cost at
nondealers. This way, the belt will continue to be covered under the
powertrain warranty until the next scheduled replacement or until the
warranty expires, whichever comes first.

Hyundai still uses timing belts on the 1.6, 2.0, and 2.7 engines. I
haven't been inspecting the owner's manuals of the newer products (since
the belt won't need servicing quite yet), but I believe all the current
models with timing belts have an interval in the neighborhood of 6
years/90k miles.

Grant, the reason Edwin suggests Fred hasn't read the owner's manual is
that the manual indeed specifies 4 years or 60k miles as the service
interval on the belt. I agree that 14k is not very many miles, and that
this isn't an easy expense to stomach. But, by the same token, Edwin is
correct that the rubber will deteriorate both with age and flexing
(running the engine).

Razz, I'd recommend being careful with what you say. While I agree Fred's
timing belt is probably nowhere near failure, saying point blank that he
doesn't need one is a bit negligent. We cannot see his car, and the fact
remains that Hyundai recommends replacing the belt at 4 years. Would you
be willing to pay to repair his car if the timing belt failed? If not,
you shouldn't make this statement. His dealer has done nothing wrong by
recommending he comply with the maintenance schedule laid out in his
owner's manual. The voiding warranty talk is another matter. Also, it
seems you have a bit of a grudge against Hyundai, which from reading your
post, appears to have stemmed from Hyundai not fixing a problem which you
agree they have no obligation to fix.

Steve: Hyundai factory warranties do not pro-rate (with the exception of
the battery warranty). The warranty either covers a repair or it does
not. If an original owner's engine fails due to manufacturing defect at 9
years and 99,000 miles, it's still covered 100%. If your dealer has been
charging you for warranty repairs, you should investigate this.

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Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

All;

I have yet to be charged for warranty work, but on my 2002 Sonata,
they finally got the clutch to replicate the complaint I had which was
it would occassionally not disengage completely. I found the trouble
to be the slave cylinder and was told that that since it was at 68,000
miles, it would need to be pro-rated. Maybe I misinterpreted the
discussion, but $800 sounded out of line...

Nonetheless, thanks HT. You rock!

Steve


On Jul 2, 9:04 am, "hyundaitech" <notpub...@not.public.com> wrote:
> Hey, Fred. I'm going to reply to your post and a few others in this space
> in the interest of keeping my post count down.
>
> First, if you check your owner's manual, you'll see that the maintenance
> interval for the timing belt is 4 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes
> first. (You're welcome to verify this. I haven't looked in every manual
> for every Hyundai model, but I don't recall anyting prior to 2006 which
> had a different recommendation. Edit: during my typing this tome, I see
> Fred did indeed verify the interval.) The time due, in your case, would
> be four years from the in-service date of the vehicle. Also, if you're
> not the original owner-- buying a 2004 vehicle in 10/05 makes me suspect
> this-- you don't have the 10/100 powertrain warranty unless you purchased
> one. Second and subsequent owners only get 5/60 powertrain.
>
> Second, failure to replace the belt doesn't void any part of the warranty..
> If you look at your warranty, you'll see that it specifically excludes
> items which that failed due to not having the recommended preventive
> maintenance done. So, if the belt fails beyond the maintenance interval,
> Hyundai isn't responsible for repairing any damage caused by that failure..
> On the other hand, if you have some componet that fails and has nothing to
> do with the fact you haven't replaced the belt, that's still covered.
>
> The reliability of the timing belt on this engine is very good. There's a
> near zero probability it'll fail anywhere near the 4 year/60k mile
> interval, and in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted twice that
> long. Don't construe this, however, to be the same thing as a
> recommendation to not replace the belt. Take the information I'm giving
> you and make up your own mind. The longer you go, the greater the chance
> of a problem.
>
> $800 is far too high for replacing this timing belt. My eployer charges
> $490, and I think we're too high. Shop around. If you are indeed the
> original owner, though, insist on a factory belt even if you don't use a
> dealer to do the work, keeping in mind that this may increase the cost at
> nondealers. This way, the belt will continue to be covered under the
> powertrain warranty until the next scheduled replacement or until the
> warranty expires, whichever comes first.
>
> Hyundai still uses timing belts on the 1.6, 2.0, and 2.7 engines. I
> haven't been inspecting the owner's manuals of the newer products (since
> the belt won't need servicing quite yet), but I believe all the current
> models with timing belts have an interval in the neighborhood of 6
> years/90k miles.
>
> Grant, the reason Edwin suggests Fred hasn't read the owner's manual is
> that the manual indeed specifies 4 years or 60k miles as the service
> interval on the belt. I agree that 14k is not very many miles, and that
> this isn't an easy expense to stomach. But, by the same token, Edwin is
> correct that the rubber will deteriorate both with age and flexing
> (running the engine).
>
> Razz, I'd recommend being careful with what you say. While I agree Fred's
> timing belt is probably nowhere near failure, saying point blank that he
> doesn't need one is a bit negligent. We cannot see his car, and the fact
> remains that Hyundai recommends replacing the belt at 4 years. Would you
> be willing to pay to repair his car if the timing belt failed? If not,
> you shouldn't make this statement. His dealer has done nothing wrong by
> recommending he comply with the maintenance schedule laid out in his
> owner's manual. The voiding warranty talk is another matter. Also, it
> seems you have a bit of a grudge against Hyundai, which from reading your
> post, appears to have stemmed from Hyundai not fixing a problem which you
> agree they have no obligation to fix.
>
> Steve: Hyundai factory warranties do not pro-rate (with the exception of
> the battery warranty). The warranty either covers a repair or it does
> not. If an original owner's engine fails due to manufacturing defect at 9
> years and 99,000 miles, it's still covered 100%. If your dealer has been
> charging you for warranty repairs, you should investigate this.
>
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Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:b66d834693492a76dc4a70c8e57ea176@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> Hey, Fred. I'm going to reply to your post and a few others in this space
> in the interest of keeping my post count down.
>
> First, if you check your owner's manual, you'll see that the maintenance
> interval for the timing belt is 4 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes
> first. (You're welcome to verify this. I haven't looked in every manual
> for every Hyundai model, but I don't recall anyting prior to 2006 which
> had a different recommendation. Edit: during my typing this tome, I see
> Fred did indeed verify the interval.) The time due, in your case, would
> be four years from the in-service date of the vehicle. Also, if you're
> not the original owner-- buying a 2004 vehicle in 10/05 makes me suspect
> this-- you don't have the 10/100 powertrain warranty unless you purchased
> one. Second and subsequent owners only get 5/60 powertrain.
>
> Second, failure to replace the belt doesn't void any part of the warranty.
> If you look at your warranty, you'll see that it specifically excludes
> items which that failed due to not having the recommended preventive
> maintenance done. So, if the belt fails beyond the maintenance interval,
> Hyundai isn't responsible for repairing any damage caused by that failure.
> On the other hand, if you have some componet that fails and has nothing
to
> do with the fact you haven't replaced the belt, that's still covered.
>
> The reliability of the timing belt on this engine is very good. There's a
> near zero probability it'll fail anywhere near the 4 year/60k mile
> interval, and in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted twice that
> long. Don't construe this, however, to be the same thing as a
> recommendation to not replace the belt. Take the information I'm giving
> you and make up your own mind. The longer you go, the greater the chance
> of a problem.
>
> $800 is far too high for replacing this timing belt. My eployer charges
> $490, and I think we're too high. Shop around. If you are indeed the
> original owner, though, insist on a factory belt even if you don't use a
> dealer to do the work, keeping in mind that this may increase the cost at
> nondealers. This way, the belt will continue to be covered under the
> powertrain warranty until the next scheduled replacement or until the
> warranty expires, whichever comes first.
>
> Hyundai still uses timing belts on the 1.6, 2.0, and 2.7 engines. I
> haven't been inspecting the owner's manuals of the newer products (since
> the belt won't need servicing quite yet), but I believe all the current
> models with timing belts have an interval in the neighborhood of 6
> years/90k miles.
>
> Grant, the reason Edwin suggests Fred hasn't read the owner's manual is
> that the manual indeed specifies 4 years or 60k miles as the service
> interval on the belt. I agree that 14k is not very many miles, and that
> this isn't an easy expense to stomach. But, by the same token, Edwin is
> correct that the rubber will deteriorate both with age and flexing
> (running the engine).
>
> Razz, I'd recommend being careful with what you say. While I agree Fred's
> timing belt is probably nowhere near failure, saying point blank that he
> doesn't need one is a bit negligent. We cannot see his car, and the fact
> remains that Hyundai recommends replacing the belt at 4 years. Would you
> be willing to pay to repair his car if the timing belt failed? If not,
> you shouldn't make this statement. His dealer has done nothing wrong by
> recommending he comply with the maintenance schedule laid out in his
> owner's manual. The voiding warranty talk is another matter. Also, it
> seems you have a bit of a grudge against Hyundai, which from reading your
> post, appears to have stemmed from Hyundai not fixing a problem which you
> agree they have no obligation to fix.
Ya I have a huge GRUDGE against them. It has been proven by three body shops
that there wasn't any primer to begin with on the handles, which should be
covered no matter what the warranty states. That -up was right from the
factory from day one. Poor quality control and workmanship.
> Steve: Hyundai factory warranties do not pro-rate (with the exception of
> the battery warranty). The warranty either covers a repair or it does
> not. If an original owner's engine fails due to manufacturing defect at 9
> years and 99,000 miles, it's still covered 100%. If your dealer has been
> charging you for warranty repairs, you should investigate this.
>
> --
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http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
> More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
>
>

Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

Hyundai must use cheap since most manufactures replacement interval is
60 - 100,000 miles with no time frame. they must use better quality belts.
But overall I'd still say Hyundai is the best bang for your buck.
"razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message news:4GTak.8$Lh6.4@newsfe09.iad...
>
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:b66d834693492a76dc4a70c8e57ea176@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> > Hey, Fred. I'm going to reply to your post and a few others in this
space
> > in the interest of keeping my post count down.
> >
> > First, if you check your owner's manual, you'll see that the maintenance
> > interval for the timing belt is 4 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes
> > first. (You're welcome to verify this. I haven't looked in every
manual
> > for every Hyundai model, but I don't recall anyting prior to 2006 which
> > had a different recommendation. Edit: during my typing this tome, I see
> > Fred did indeed verify the interval.) The time due, in your case, would
> > be four years from the in-service date of the vehicle. Also, if you're
> > not the original owner-- buying a 2004 vehicle in 10/05 makes me suspect
> > this-- you don't have the 10/100 powertrain warranty unless you
purchased
> > one. Second and subsequent owners only get 5/60 powertrain.
> >
> > Second, failure to replace the belt doesn't void any part of the
warranty.
> > If you look at your warranty, you'll see that it specifically excludes
> > items which that failed due to not having the recommended preventive
> > maintenance done. So, if the belt fails beyond the maintenance
interval,
> > Hyundai isn't responsible for repairing any damage caused by that
failure.
> > On the other hand, if you have some componet that fails and has nothing
> to
> > do with the fact you haven't replaced the belt, that's still covered.
> >
> > The reliability of the timing belt on this engine is very good. There's
a
> > near zero probability it'll fail anywhere near the 4 year/60k mile
> > interval, and in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted twice that
> > long. Don't construe this, however, to be the same thing as a
> > recommendation to not replace the belt. Take the information I'm giving
> > you and make up your own mind. The longer you go, the greater the
chance
> > of a problem.
> >
> > $800 is far too high for replacing this timing belt. My eployer charges
> > $490, and I think we're too high. Shop around. If you are indeed the
> > original owner, though, insist on a factory belt even if you don't use a
> > dealer to do the work, keeping in mind that this may increase the cost
at
> > nondealers. This way, the belt will continue to be covered under the
> > powertrain warranty until the next scheduled replacement or until the
> > warranty expires, whichever comes first.
> >
> > Hyundai still uses timing belts on the 1.6, 2.0, and 2.7 engines. I
> > haven't been inspecting the owner's manuals of the newer products (since
> > the belt won't need servicing quite yet), but I believe all the current
> > models with timing belts have an interval in the neighborhood of 6
> > years/90k miles.
> >
> > Grant, the reason Edwin suggests Fred hasn't read the owner's manual is
> > that the manual indeed specifies 4 years or 60k miles as the service
> > interval on the belt. I agree that 14k is not very many miles, and that
> > this isn't an easy expense to stomach. But, by the same token, Edwin is
> > correct that the rubber will deteriorate both with age and flexing
> > (running the engine).
> >
> > Razz, I'd recommend being careful with what you say. While I agree
Fred's
> > timing belt is probably nowhere near failure, saying point blank that he
> > doesn't need one is a bit negligent. We cannot see his car, and the
fact
> > remains that Hyundai recommends replacing the belt at 4 years. Would
you
> > be willing to pay to repair his car if the timing belt failed? If not,
> > you shouldn't make this statement. His dealer has done nothing wrong by
> > recommending he comply with the maintenance schedule laid out in his
> > owner's manual. The voiding warranty talk is another matter. Also, it
> > seems you have a bit of a grudge against Hyundai, which from reading
your
> > post, appears to have stemmed from Hyundai not fixing a problem which
you
> > agree they have no obligation to fix.
> Ya I have a huge GRUDGE against them. It has been proven by three body
shops
> that there wasn't any primer to begin with on the handles, which should be
> covered no matter what the warranty states. That -up was right from
the
> factory from day one. Poor quality control and workmanship.
> > Steve: Hyundai factory warranties do not pro-rate (with the exception of
> > the battery warranty). The warranty either covers a repair or it does
> > not. If an original owner's engine fails due to manufacturing defect at
9
> > years and 99,000 miles, it's still covered 100%. If your dealer has
been
> > charging you for warranty repairs, you should investigate this.
> >
> > --
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> http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
> > More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:09:37 -0400, "Ghislain"
<ghislaing@teksavvyDOTcom> wrote:

>"Fred" <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>> nothermark wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:12:35 GMT, Fred <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000
>>> >miles
>>> >that I
>>> >purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week
>>> >since
>>> >I purchased it new in October of 2004.
>>> >
>>> >My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the
>>> >timing
>>> >belt,
>>> >at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I
>>> >will no
>>> >longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
>>> >
>>> >I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not
>>> >be one
>>> >that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year,
>>> >100,000 mile
>>> >- Best in the industry" warrenty.
>>> >
>>> >This sucks!
>>>
>>> Welcome to the real world of timing belts. The cost sounds high but
>>> the issue is normal. I first had it on a 1967 VW rabbit. You will
>>> have it on any engine with a belt instead of a chain which is many, if
>>> not most, 4 cyl engines.
>>
>>
>> I plead stupidity.
>>
>> I ( stupidly ) thought that 10-year 100,000 mile meant "10-year 100,000
>> miles".
>>
>> I did not know ( again, my stupidity ) that I would have to spend $200 a
>> yaer
>> to replace a timing belt on an engine that has less than 5000 miles a year
>> on it.
>>
>> It still sucks!
>
>I don't understand is why it's so expensive on a Tiburon. I had the timing
>belt replaced on my wife's 2002 Elantra and the cost was something like
>$225. Are the engines in a 4-cylinder Tiburon and the Elantra that
>different?
>

had my 2006 elantra done this year for about the same - $250 or so. It
was bundled with some other work so I don't have the breakdown handy.


I will also go back the the point that he needs to check his warranty
and get a better explanation. It may well be time. If he only has
14000 on in in 4 years driven every day he is beating the car to a
slow death. It's either heavy traffic or he is not staying on long
enough to burn out the water and other assorted nastiness. Either way
is hard on the engine.

Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

Okay. I understand. The slave cylinder is a 5/60 component. As such it
was no longer within the warranty period at 68k. If you complained about
the issue prior to the warranty expiring, I think Hyundai should have
eaten the whole repair, but that's just *my* opinion. On the up side,
they did at least contribute to the repair outside the warranty period.

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Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

"razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message news:l1Uak.9$Lh6.7@newsfe09.iad...
> Hyundai must use cheap since most manufactures replacement interval
> is
> 60 - 100,000 miles with no time frame. they must use better quality belts.
> But overall I'd still say Hyundai is the best bang for your buck.

How many of those other manufacturers warrant the car for 100,000 miles?
They use the same belt, but since they are not liable for replacement of the
engine they don't give a damn if you blow the engine. Gates makes most of
the belt used in the industry but there may be others.

Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

My Nissan 300Z requires a timing belt change every 60,000 miles too....

Most vehicles with timing belts require it around those years and miles.


"razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message news:l1Uak.9$Lh6.7@newsfe09.iad...
> Hyundai must use cheap since most manufactures replacement interval
is
> 60 - 100,000 miles with no time frame. they must use better quality belts.
> But overall I'd still say Hyundai is the best bang for your buck.
> "razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message news:4GTak.8$Lh6.4@newsfe09.iad...
> >
> > "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> > news:b66d834693492a76dc4a70c8e57ea176@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> > > Hey, Fred. I'm going to reply to your post and a few others in this
> space
> > > in the interest of keeping my post count down.
> > >
> > > First, if you check your owner's manual, you'll see that the
maintenance
> > > interval for the timing belt is 4 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes
> > > first. (You're welcome to verify this. I haven't looked in every
> manual
> > > for every Hyundai model, but I don't recall anyting prior to 2006
which
> > > had a different recommendation. Edit: during my typing this tome, I
see
> > > Fred did indeed verify the interval.) The time due, in your case,
would
> > > be four years from the in-service date of the vehicle. Also, if
you're
> > > not the original owner-- buying a 2004 vehicle in 10/05 makes me
suspect
> > > this-- you don't have the 10/100 powertrain warranty unless you
> purchased
> > > one. Second and subsequent owners only get 5/60 powertrain.
> > >
> > > Second, failure to replace the belt doesn't void any part of the
> warranty.
> > > If you look at your warranty, you'll see that it specifically
excludes
> > > items which that failed due to not having the recommended preventive
> > > maintenance done. So, if the belt fails beyond the maintenance
> interval,
> > > Hyundai isn't responsible for repairing any damage caused by that
> failure.
> > > On the other hand, if you have some componet that fails and has
nothing
> > to
> > > do with the fact you haven't replaced the belt, that's still covered.
> > >
> > > The reliability of the timing belt on this engine is very good.
There's
> a
> > > near zero probability it'll fail anywhere near the 4 year/60k mile
> > > interval, and in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted twice that
> > > long. Don't construe this, however, to be the same thing as a
> > > recommendation to not replace the belt. Take the information I'm
giving
> > > you and make up your own mind. The longer you go, the greater the
> chance
> > > of a problem.
> > >
> > > $800 is far too high for replacing this timing belt. My eployer
charges
> > > $490, and I think we're too high. Shop around. If you are indeed the
> > > original owner, though, insist on a factory belt even if you don't use
a
> > > dealer to do the work, keeping in mind that this may increase the cost
> at
> > > nondealers. This way, the belt will continue to be covered under the
> > > powertrain warranty until the next scheduled replacement or until the
> > > warranty expires, whichever comes first.
> > >
> > > Hyundai still uses timing belts on the 1.6, 2.0, and 2.7 engines. I
> > > haven't been inspecting the owner's manuals of the newer products
(since
> > > the belt won't need servicing quite yet), but I believe all the
current
> > > models with timing belts have an interval in the neighborhood of 6
> > > years/90k miles.
> > >
> > > Grant, the reason Edwin suggests Fred hasn't read the owner's manual
is
> > > that the manual indeed specifies 4 years or 60k miles as the service
> > > interval on the belt. I agree that 14k is not very many miles, and
that
> > > this isn't an easy expense to stomach. But, by the same token, Edwin
is
> > > correct that the rubber will deteriorate both with age and flexing
> > > (running the engine).
> > >
> > > Razz, I'd recommend being careful with what you say. While I agree
> Fred's
> > > timing belt is probably nowhere near failure, saying point blank that
he
> > > doesn't need one is a bit negligent. We cannot see his car, and the
> fact
> > > remains that Hyundai recommends replacing the belt at 4 years. Would
> you
> > > be willing to pay to repair his car if the timing belt failed? If
not,
> > > you shouldn't make this statement. His dealer has done nothing wrong
by
> > > recommending he comply with the maintenance schedule laid out in his
> > > owner's manual. The voiding warranty talk is another matter. Also,
it
> > > seems you have a bit of a grudge against Hyundai, which from reading
> your
> > > post, appears to have stemmed from Hyundai not fixing a problem which
> you
> > > agree they have no obligation to fix.
> > Ya I have a huge GRUDGE against them. It has been proven by three body
> shops
> > that there wasn't any primer to begin with on the handles, which should
be
> > covered no matter what the warranty states. That -up was right from
> the
> > factory from day one. Poor quality control and workmanship.
> > > Steve: Hyundai factory warranties do not pro-rate (with the exception
of
> > > the battery warranty). The warranty either covers a repair or it does
> > > not. If an original owner's engine fails due to manufacturing defect
at
> 9
> > > years and 99,000 miles, it's still covered 100%. If your dealer has
> been
> > > charging you for warranty repairs, you should investigate this.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

Don't buy a GM, Ford, Chrysler, Honda, Toyota, Nissan or BMW either then,
because when we get handles and mouldings, they are just raw plastic without
any primer, and their prep proceedures are to just scuff and shoot them.

"razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message news:4GTak.8$Lh6.4@newsfe09.iad...
>
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:b66d834693492a76dc4a70c8e57ea176@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> > Hey, Fred. I'm going to reply to your post and a few others in this
space
> > in the interest of keeping my post count down.
> >
> > First, if you check your owner's manual, you'll see that the maintenance
> > interval for the timing belt is 4 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes
> > first. (You're welcome to verify this. I haven't looked in every
manual
> > for every Hyundai model, but I don't recall anyting prior to 2006 which
> > had a different recommendation. Edit: during my typing this tome, I see
> > Fred did indeed verify the interval.) The time due, in your case, would
> > be four years from the in-service date of the vehicle. Also, if you're
> > not the original owner-- buying a 2004 vehicle in 10/05 makes me suspect
> > this-- you don't have the 10/100 powertrain warranty unless you
purchased
> > one. Second and subsequent owners only get 5/60 powertrain.
> >
> > Second, failure to replace the belt doesn't void any part of the
warranty.
> > If you look at your warranty, you'll see that it specifically excludes
> > items which that failed due to not having the recommended preventive
> > maintenance done. So, if the belt fails beyond the maintenance
interval,
> > Hyundai isn't responsible for repairing any damage caused by that
failure.
> > On the other hand, if you have some componet that fails and has nothing
> to
> > do with the fact you haven't replaced the belt, that's still covered.
> >
> > The reliability of the timing belt on this engine is very good. There's
a
> > near zero probability it'll fail anywhere near the 4 year/60k mile
> > interval, and in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted twice that
> > long. Don't construe this, however, to be the same thing as a
> > recommendation to not replace the belt. Take the information I'm giving
> > you and make up your own mind. The longer you go, the greater the
chance
> > of a problem.
> >
> > $800 is far too high for replacing this timing belt. My eployer charges
> > $490, and I think we're too high. Shop around. If you are indeed the
> > original owner, though, insist on a factory belt even if you don't use a
> > dealer to do the work, keeping in mind that this may increase the cost
at
> > nondealers. This way, the belt will continue to be covered under the
> > powertrain warranty until the next scheduled replacement or until the
> > warranty expires, whichever comes first.
> >
> > Hyundai still uses timing belts on the 1.6, 2.0, and 2.7 engines. I
> > haven't been inspecting the owner's manuals of the newer products (since
> > the belt won't need servicing quite yet), but I believe all the current
> > models with timing belts have an interval in the neighborhood of 6
> > years/90k miles.
> >
> > Grant, the reason Edwin suggests Fred hasn't read the owner's manual is
> > that the manual indeed specifies 4 years or 60k miles as the service
> > interval on the belt. I agree that 14k is not very many miles, and that
> > this isn't an easy expense to stomach. But, by the same token, Edwin is
> > correct that the rubber will deteriorate both with age and flexing
> > (running the engine).
> >
> > Razz, I'd recommend being careful with what you say. While I agree
Fred's
> > timing belt is probably nowhere near failure, saying point blank that he
> > doesn't need one is a bit negligent. We cannot see his car, and the
fact
> > remains that Hyundai recommends replacing the belt at 4 years. Would
you
> > be willing to pay to repair his car if the timing belt failed? If not,
> > you shouldn't make this statement. His dealer has done nothing wrong by
> > recommending he comply with the maintenance schedule laid out in his
> > owner's manual. The voiding warranty talk is another matter. Also, it
> > seems you have a bit of a grudge against Hyundai, which from reading
your
> > post, appears to have stemmed from Hyundai not fixing a problem which
you
> > agree they have no obligation to fix.
> Ya I have a huge GRUDGE against them. It has been proven by three body
shops
> that there wasn't any primer to begin with on the handles, which should be
> covered no matter what the warranty states. That -up was right from
the
> factory from day one. Poor quality control and workmanship.
> > Steve: Hyundai factory warranties do not pro-rate (with the exception of
> > the battery warranty). The warranty either covers a repair or it does
> > not. If an original owner's engine fails due to manufacturing defect at
9
> > years and 99,000 miles, it's still covered 100%. If your dealer has
been
> > charging you for warranty repairs, you should investigate this.
> >
> > --
> > Message posted using
> http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
> > More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Hyundaitech - My first and last
 

Bullshit, because I worked in the auto industry, and we either shot all
plastic with a primer ( white black or yellow to name a few) according to
final paint code.
"Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1ddck.26557$i55.13402@newsfe22.lga...
> Don't buy a GM, Ford, Chrysler, Honda, Toyota, Nissan or BMW either then,
> because when we get handles and mouldings, they are just raw plastic
without
> any primer, and their prep proceedures are to just scuff and shoot them.
>
> "razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message news:4GTak.8$Lh6.4@newsfe09.iad...
> >
> > "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> > news:b66d834693492a76dc4a70c8e57ea176@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> > > Hey, Fred. I'm going to reply to your post and a few others in this
> space
> > > in the interest of keeping my post count down.
> > >
> > > First, if you check your owner's manual, you'll see that the
maintenance
> > > interval for the timing belt is 4 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes
> > > first. (You're welcome to verify this. I haven't looked in every
> manual
> > > for every Hyundai model, but I don't recall anyting prior to 2006
which
> > > had a different recommendation. Edit: during my typing this tome, I
see
> > > Fred did indeed verify the interval.) The time due, in your case,
would
> > > be four years from the in-service date of the vehicle. Also, if
you're
> > > not the original owner-- buying a 2004 vehicle in 10/05 makes me
suspect
> > > this-- you don't have the 10/100 powertrain warranty unless you
> purchased
> > > one. Second and subsequent owners only get 5/60 powertrain.
> > >
> > > Second, failure to replace the belt doesn't void any part of the
> warranty.
> > > If you look at your warranty, you'll see that it specifically
excludes
> > > items which that failed due to not having the recommended preventive
> > > maintenance done. So, if the belt fails beyond the maintenance
> interval,
> > > Hyundai isn't responsible for repairing any damage caused by that
> failure.
> > > On the other hand, if you have some componet that fails and has
nothing
> > to
> > > do with the fact you haven't replaced the belt, that's still covered.
> > >
> > > The reliability of the timing belt on this engine is very good.
There's
> a
> > > near zero probability it'll fail anywhere near the 4 year/60k mile
> > > interval, and in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted twice that
> > > long. Don't construe this, however, to be the same thing as a
> > > recommendation to not replace the belt. Take the information I'm
giving
> > > you and make up your own mind. The longer you go, the greater the
> chance
> > > of a problem.
> > >
> > > $800 is far too high for replacing this timing belt. My eployer
charges
> > > $490, and I think we're too high. Shop around. If you are indeed the
> > > original owner, though, insist on a factory belt even if you don't use
a
> > > dealer to do the work, keeping in mind that this may increase the cost
> at
> > > nondealers. This way, the belt will continue to be covered under the
> > > powertrain warranty until the next scheduled replacement or until the
> > > warranty expires, whichever comes first.
> > >
> > > Hyundai still uses timing belts on the 1.6, 2.0, and 2.7 engines. I
> > > haven't been inspecting the owner's manuals of the newer products
(since
> > > the belt won't need servicing quite yet), but I believe all the
current
> > > models with timing belts have an interval in the neighborhood of 6
> > > years/90k miles.
> > >
> > > Grant, the reason Edwin suggests Fred hasn't read the owner's manual
is
> > > that the manual indeed specifies 4 years or 60k miles as the service
> > > interval on the belt. I agree that 14k is not very many miles, and
that
> > > this isn't an easy expense to stomach. But, by the same token, Edwin
is
> > > correct that the rubber will deteriorate both with age and flexing
> > > (running the engine).
> > >
> > > Razz, I'd recommend being careful with what you say. While I agree
> Fred's
> > > timing belt is probably nowhere near failure, saying point blank that
he
> > > doesn't need one is a bit negligent. We cannot see his car, and the
> fact
> > > remains that Hyundai recommends replacing the belt at 4 years. Would
> you
> > > be willing to pay to repair his car if the timing belt failed? If
not,
> > > you shouldn't make this statement. His dealer has done nothing wrong
by
> > > recommending he comply with the maintenance schedule laid out in his
> > > owner's manual. The voiding warranty talk is another matter. Also,
it
> > > seems you have a bit of a grudge against Hyundai, which from reading
> your
> > > post, appears to have stemmed from Hyundai not fixing a problem which
> you
> > > agree they have no obligation to fix.
> > Ya I have a huge GRUDGE against them. It has been proven by three body
> shops
> > that there wasn't any primer to begin with on the handles, which should
be
> > covered no matter what the warranty states. That -up was right from
> the
> > factory from day one. Poor quality control and workmanship.
> > > Steve: Hyundai factory warranties do not pro-rate (with the exception
of
> > > the battery warranty). The warranty either covers a repair or it does
> > > not. If an original owner's engine fails due to manufacturing defect
at
> 9
> > > years and 99,000 miles, it's still covered 100%. If your dealer has
> been
> > > charging you for warranty repairs, you should investigate this.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Message posted using
> > http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
> > > More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>